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Microsoft's Ballmer Warns Asia of Linux Lawsuits (Microsoft pulls a SCO in Asia)
Reuters ^ | 11/18/2004 | Reuters

Posted on 11/18/2004 8:48:26 AM PST by Prime Choice

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. Chief Operating Officer Steve Ballmer on Thursday warned Asian governments that they could face intellectual rights-infringement lawsuits for using rival open-source operating platforms such as Linux.

Linux is open-code software that is freely available on the Internet and easily modified by users.

Its growing popularity with companies and governments around the world, and particularly in Asia, is a threat to the global dominance of Microsoft's proprietary Windows platform.

Ballmer, speaking in Singapore at Microsoft's Asian Government Leaders Forum, said that Linux violated more than 228 patents. He did not provide any detail on the alleged violations, which the Linux community disputes.

"Someday, for all countries that are entering the WTO (World Trade Organization), somebody will come and look for money owing to the rights for that intellectual property," he added.

Linux users got a scare earlier this year when software developer SCO Group Inc. sued a company for using Linux, which SCO claimed contains software code that it owns.

SCO is also embroiled in a lawsuit against IBM, claiming that the computer giant illegally built SCO's software code into Linux.

Singapore's Ministry of Defense last month switched 20,000 personal computers to run on open-source software instead of the Microsoft operating platform.

Other governments in the region are also looking to develop open-source software. China, Japan and South Korea this year agreed to jointly develop open-source software running on Microsoft's rival Linux operating platform.

The Chinese government, in particular, sees its reliance on Microsoft as a potential threat. Conspiracy buffs believe certain patches in the Windows code might give U.S. authorities the power to access Chinese networks and disable them, possibly during a war over Taiwan.

Ballmer said the security fears some governments had about using Microsoft software were overblown.

"We think our software is far more secure than open-source software. It is more secure because we stand behind it, we fixed it, because we built it. Nobody ever knows who built open-source software," he added.


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"We think our software is far more secure than open-source software."

BWAH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! This coming from the same jackass who sought to shut up security researchers who continually embarrass Micro$loth. It is to laugh!


1 posted on 11/18/2004 8:48:28 AM PST by Prime Choice
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To: Prime Choice

Lawsuits in China?

You lying imperialist dog!


2 posted on 11/18/2004 8:49:33 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: Prime Choice
Every Windows system I have operated crashes eventually.

Every one. Every one. And usually because of their damn browser.

There should be suits against Microsoft for this.

3 posted on 11/18/2004 8:51:19 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Then I say unto you, send men to summon ... worms. And let us go to Fallujah to collect heads.")
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To: proxy_user
You lying imperialist dog!

That's MISTER Lying Imperialist Running Dog, thankyouverymuch!

; )

4 posted on 11/18/2004 8:51:45 AM PST by Prime Choice (STFU ACLU.)
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To: rdb3; chance33_98; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Bush2000; PenguinWry; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; ...

Tech Ping


5 posted on 11/18/2004 8:51:53 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Prime Choice

"Ballmer, speaking in Singapore at Microsoft's Asian Government Leaders Forum, said that Linux violated more than 228 patents. "

It's my understanding that many countries outside the U.S., including many Asian countries, do not recognize software patents. I guess this just provides more incentive to continue that practice.


6 posted on 11/18/2004 8:54:22 AM PST by Moral Hazard
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To: Prime Choice
Linux users got a scare laugh earlier this year when software developer SCO Group Inc. sued a company for using Linux, which SCO claimed contains software code that it owns.

Fixed it.

7 posted on 11/18/2004 8:54:25 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Could you add me to your ping list?


8 posted on 11/18/2004 8:56:03 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: ShadowAce

Ballmer is a serious Exec????

This is almost laughable!

Except they have the Worlds money....so they could redefine reality !


9 posted on 11/18/2004 8:56:18 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Diogenesis
Every Windows system I have operated crashes eventually. Every one. Every one. And usually because of their damn browser.

That may have been true of Windows 98, dude. But not XP. You might want to upgrade your 486.
10 posted on 11/18/2004 8:58:43 AM PST by Bush2000
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To: ShadowAce
Linux users got a scare laugh earlier this year when software developer SCO Group Inc. sued a company for using Linux, which SCO claimed contains software code that it owns.

Fixed it.

Ah. Good eye there, Ace. I'm in your debt.

11 posted on 11/18/2004 8:58:47 AM PST by Prime Choice (STFU ACLU.)
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To: Bush2000; Diogenesis
That may have been true of Windows 98, dude. But not XP.

*choke* *snicker*

ROTFL!!!

12 posted on 11/18/2004 9:01:43 AM PST by Prime Choice (STFU ACLU.)
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To: Tribune7

Done. Welcome aboard.


13 posted on 11/18/2004 9:09:36 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Bush2000

I have crashed XP here at work several times and slowed it down I can't count that high just using fingers/toes.


14 posted on 11/18/2004 9:11:13 AM PST by markman46
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To: Prime Choice

Anyone that challenges Microsoft is a friend of mine.

Does anybody here use Linux or know anything about it? I have been toying with the idea of switching for a long time, but have never made the jump.


15 posted on 11/18/2004 9:25:38 AM PST by Stratman
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To: Prime Choice

And how many patent lawsuits are there against M$? Hypocrits as usual.


16 posted on 11/18/2004 9:29:57 AM PST by SengirV
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To: Prime Choice

I think Microshaft and Ole Bill should be happy about Asia not using Winblows...afterall, MOST of the pirated copies of Windows are in China. If they think a lot of Americans pirate Windows...I don't know if I have ever talked to an Asian person who actually paid for Windows...

Secure, huh? Secure as in, "my boot sector failed last week from a virus that I didn't get by my own fault?" or Secure as in "that holiday greeting card that says they sent you a cupholder for Christmas and then proceeds to open your CDRom Tray"? I know it's not a harmful virus, but still, it's just a tiny example of how you can do things on someone's computer that they don't want you to do.


17 posted on 11/18/2004 9:38:11 AM PST by melbell (groovy)
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To: Stratman
I have been toying with the idea of switching for a long time, but have never made the jump.

Try out Knoppix first. That way you don't have to re-format your hard drive if you decide it's not for you.

18 posted on 11/18/2004 9:38:16 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Bush2000
"That may have been true of Windows 98, dude. But not XP."

Hmmm...that's interesting...since my XP crashes all the time when I'm using it...interesting indeed...you must have some sort of *magic* XP installation...
19 posted on 11/18/2004 9:40:11 AM PST by melbell (groovy)
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To: melbell; Bush2000
Well, my work machine (XP) never crashes. Everyone else in my office has had theirs crash, though. I'm the only "real" geek, though, so it may have something to do with the fact that I know what I'm doing. :)

On my personal machines, windows (several flavors) crashes just about every day, while my linux machines never crash--even in the hands my my children, ages 10 and 6.

20 posted on 11/18/2004 9:51:01 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Bush2000

These XP sections of computer forums aren't exactly catching dust from inactivity:

http://discussions.virtualdr.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=25

http://www.cybertechhelp.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=26


21 posted on 11/18/2004 9:51:09 AM PST by JoJo Gunn (More than two lawyers in any Country constitutes a terrorist organization. )
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To: ShadowAce

Thanks. That is really cool that you can use both to get a feel for it.


22 posted on 11/18/2004 10:32:53 AM PST by Stratman
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To: Stratman
I use Linux on 2 laptops and 2 desktops.

One thing that you might want to do before you jump right in, is go to Knoppix.org and download the Knoppix ISO. Pop the sucker in your CD drive, and boot. It will give you at least a feel for the state of Linux today. The best thing is, since it is running off CD, you can't break it, no matter what you type!

Knoppix is also an invaluable tool to have in your arsenal for the inevitable windows crashes in case windows refuses to boot and you want to save your data before you re-install. One of my wife's co-workers had her laptop crash, and the windows tech they paid to come out and look at it basically told her the hard disk had errors, would need to be replaced, and she'd lose all her data.

I took the laptop home, booted Knoppix and in 20 minutes had cut a CD of her data that I'd FTP'd to my workstation. The tech was right in that the drive was failing, and would need to be replaced, but at least I'd been able to save her data. --- Knoppix - Don't leave home without it!

23 posted on 11/18/2004 11:05:33 AM PST by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies!)
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To: Prime Choice
Steve Ballmer on Thursday warned Asian governments that they could face intellectual rights-infringement lawsuits...

Monkey Boy has got to be as irrational as Darl if he thinks that kind of talk is going to give people warm fuzzies about Microsoft.

Ballmer... said that Linux violated more than 228 patents.

Yeah... and Microsoft later kinda issued a retraction.

"Someday, for all countries that are entering the WTO (World Trade Organization), somebody will come and look for money owing to the rights for that intellectual property," he added.

In yer dreams, Stevie. Thanks to SCO, people are going to want to see some proof next time.

"We think our software is far more secure than open-source software. It is more secure because we stand behind it, we fixed it, because we built it. Nobody ever knows who built open-source software," he added.

And, as I suspected, Microsoft doesn't really know where its own software came from.

[T]he Redmond software vendor, like a growing number of corporations, is availing itself of a variety of tools for monitoring the source of its own source code, Microsoft officials said.

David Kaefer, Microsoft's director of business development for IP and licensing, told Microsoft Watch earlier this month that Microsoft has been creating process controls to ensure that Microsoft knows from where its own code is coming. Microsoft has created a number of tools and is licensing others that will allow the company to make sure that there is no hidden code (open-source or otherwise) in its products that shouldn't be there, Kaefer said.

24 posted on 11/18/2004 3:30:13 PM PST by TechJunkYard
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Ballmer is a serious Exec????
Judge for yourself:

25 posted on 11/18/2004 3:53:29 PM PST by TechJunkYard
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To: TechJunkYard

LOL!


26 posted on 11/18/2004 3:55:13 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: JoJo Gunn
These XP sections of computer forums aren't exactly catching dust from inactivity:

And they aren't exactly filled with complaints of crashing, either. The few that are related to crashing are due to poorly written 3rd party device drivers -- not XP.
27 posted on 11/18/2004 4:07:33 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: melbell
Hmmm...that's interesting...since my XP crashes all the time when I'm using it...interesting indeed...you must have some sort of *magic* XP installation...

No, I don't use crappy 3rd party hardware/software (which are the source of most peoples' computer problems). Hence, no problem.
28 posted on 11/18/2004 4:10:11 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Stratman
Anyone that challenges Microsoft is a friend of mine. Does anybody here use Linux or know anything about it? I have been toying with the idea of switching for a long time, but have never made the jump.

Sure, I use Linux all the time. And, because you don't know anything about it, I highly recommend that you give it a try. It's going to be humorous listening to your stories of wasted days, weeks, months ...
29 posted on 11/18/2004 4:12:43 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: ShadowAce
On my personal machines, windows (several flavors) crashes just about every day, while my linux machines never crash--even in the hands my my children, ages 10 and 6.

What do you expect? You're running cheap hardware and drivers.
30 posted on 11/18/2004 4:13:25 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000

You've never had a WinXP system crash?


31 posted on 11/18/2004 4:14:55 PM PST by Petronski (Okay, so today I *am* cranky.)
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To: TechJunkYard
Monkey Boy has got to be as irrational as Darl if he thinks that kind of talk is going to give people warm fuzzies about Microsoft.

As if anything would matter to people that the ChiComs: They pirate 90% of American-made software, music, movies, etc... /SARCASM
32 posted on 11/18/2004 4:15:25 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Petronski
You've never had a WinXP system crash?

Nope.
33 posted on 11/18/2004 4:15:53 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
But not XP.

I really enjoy using XP. It's much peppier than Windows 2k. When mcshield or scan32 kick in, I can even move my mouse every few seconds. Sometimes it even takes the click. Very productive OS.

34 posted on 11/18/2004 4:19:04 PM PST by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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To: Bush2000
"I highly recommend that you give it a try. It's going to be humorous listening to your stories of wasted days, weeks, months ..."

Uh...what do I say?? How about...WTF??? What on earth are you talking about? Wasted days, weeks, and months???
35 posted on 11/18/2004 4:23:27 PM PST by melbell (groovy)
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To: Bush2000
Are you still selling that line of bunk?

Do we have to go through this again?

Are you going to continue to blame everyone except the people that wrote the OS? There are lots and lots and lots of reports of XP crashing using only Microsoft-provided drivers.

Who are you going to blame for that? The user?

36 posted on 11/18/2004 4:24:03 PM PST by Knitebane
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To: melbell
What on earth are you talking about?

He's talking about his standard Redmond talking points, not reality.

I've been running Linux exclusively on desktops and laptops for nearly 4 years.

The reality is...

One copy of Knoppix, one reboot, a complete stable operating system without touching your existing setup.

37 posted on 11/18/2004 4:26:21 PM PST by Knitebane
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To: Bush2000; Diogenesis
I have yet to crash XP, despite all the old software I run on it that predates XP.

The problem with Windows is that it consumes too much in computer resources. Every time Intel and Dell make new computers that should run 50% faster than the previous generation, the new version of Windows consumes half the extra computing power so the computer only runs 25% faster. If Microsoft wants to maintain their market share they need to pare down the code, use less memory and speed up Windows in a big way.

38 posted on 11/18/2004 4:32:49 PM PST by carl in alaska (Once a Chargers fan, always a Chargers fan....)
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To: Bush2000

Me neither.



Of course, I run win2k.


39 posted on 11/18/2004 4:56:40 PM PST by Petronski (Okay, so today I *am* cranky.)
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To: Bush2000
As if anything would matter to people that the ChiComs: They pirate 90% of American-made software, music, movies, etc... /SARCASM

Look, Ballmer isn't just speaking to the Asians here; this story has been picked up world-wide. Remember how you guys squealed about Linus Torvalds' "hit man" comment in the LKML; Ballmer is using a public forum to threaten governments, and IMO that's not too smart.

40 posted on 11/18/2004 5:07:22 PM PST by TechJunkYard
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To: Bush2000

I have had XP and 2K spawn run away processes that required a reboot, this in addition to the crashes I ahve seen is why I fight almost anytime tehy want to put a windows box in my datacenter..


41 posted on 11/18/2004 8:15:44 PM PST by N3WBI3
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To: Stratman
Actually I am a Red Hat certified Engineer, so I am a little biased twords Linux. But if youre starting fresh dont count out BSD, Solaris, or OSX.

If you really want to give Linux a look check out Knoppix If will give you a good look at the KDE desktop running on a linux platform, if you like that look at Fedora.

42 posted on 11/18/2004 8:19:04 PM PST by N3WBI3
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To: Bush2000

Ahh so windows is only good if you only use MS products. I enjoy my ford car with ford gas and ford oil. Hopefully the Ford spark-plug upgrade wont case a crash..


43 posted on 11/18/2004 8:22:28 PM PST by N3WBI3
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To: Prime Choice
I have three personal computers I use heavily... two windows xp (a desktop and a laptop) and a desktop running Linux. Of course I use a host of computers elsewhere, but since these are the only ones I am currently in full control over, they are all I'm going to comment on.

A little aside, I have my two monitors (one for linux, one for windows) side by side as if I were running a dual-head system. I use a little program called Synergy that lets me set share a keyboard and mouse between the two, and also shares the clipboard between the two machines. I used to use x2vnc/win2vnc but this program is a little slicker. I really do use and develop on both systems...

I typically have both desktops on all the time. I reboot both the windows xp and Linux machine about once every two weeks on average, not because they crash, but because I'm leaving for the weekend or a power outage, etc.

Windows XP is much much more stable than previous versions. Of course this implies that you know how to handle spyware, etc.

I do have programs crash on both machines. I normally to keep firefox open with 2-3 windows each with about 20 tabs. Typically after a couple hours it will leak memory, and eventually I will have to restart it, on both windows and Linux. As far as explorer crashing, this only happens anymore when I do one of two things: open a folder with a large zip file (one containing ~15k files), or open a folder with avi files that are damaged.

Incidental I have experienced similar problems with konqoror and nautilus on the linux side.

With a little work you can disable the thumbnail generation and treating archives as compressed folders on both platforms.

There are legitimate complaints about XP, but it is a stable OS.

-paridel
44 posted on 11/18/2004 11:50:07 PM PST by Paridel
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To: melbell
When I was in Korea I was actually surprised by the amount of non-pirated software available. Sure, you could get pirated software, but it seemed like there actually was a good deal of legitimate users, which was a pleasant surprise.

However other Asian countries may be a different story. The last statistic I saw from Thailand showed that only 3% of businesses use legit software... and I wonder that 3% must come from branches of US companies using their own software...

I have a good friend from Thailand and his story basically backs up the statistics: pretty much all the software there, especially for home use, is pirated.

But that being said, there are a lot of people in the US that pirate software like their is no tomorrow. In I know quite a few people seem to have an attitude that it is morally OK for home users to pirate software, as long as you aren't using it commercially. Especially at colleges where even if you are too lazy to find it at least one person on your floor is guaranteed to have a huge binder full of pirated software and/or a very large network share.

I've had a couple of friend install software they downloaded off of some less reputable sites on the Internet, and then were shocked when their computers started acting up. Most of them don't want to blame the latest cracked software for their problems though. I couldn't get my one friend to stop using a program he downloaded until we ran a little experiment and monitored the network connections it was trying to open up. In fact he is pretty dumb so he probably still is using it just not telling me about it. It is scary how quickly people are willing to trade the security of their machine and data for a pirated copy of some stupid program.

-paridel
45 posted on 11/19/2004 12:05:23 AM PST by Paridel
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To: Bush2000

You're kidding right? I run XP, it crashes regularly because of conflicts of some kind or another. Maybe you only have a few pieces of software and hardware?


46 posted on 11/19/2004 12:07:57 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Bush2000
You're running cheap hardware and drivers.

LOL!! And you know that--how?

47 posted on 11/19/2004 5:30:14 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: N3WBI3

Thanks.

Just as an initial question, is there a book I can get that explains the difference or what a Windows user must do if he changes to Linux? Is there a Dummies book (or something equivalent)? I love those books.


48 posted on 11/19/2004 6:57:31 AM PST by Stratman
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To: Stratman
I haven't really looked into this magazine yet, but TUX magazine claims to be for the new Linux user.

You could check it out and report back on its usefulness. :)

49 posted on 11/19/2004 7:09:00 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Stratman
Hmm. Never mind. It looks like it's not out yet. However, there are quite a few sites on the Net for new users.

Linux Questions

Just Linux

Linux Newbie Administrator Guide

Tuxfiles

Hope those help in getting started. There are quite a few more. Just do a Google search on Linux and newbie in various combinations.

50 posted on 11/19/2004 7:21:00 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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