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Blasphemy law revival upsets the Dutch elite
Telegraph ^
| 11/18/04
| Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Posted on 11/18/2004 11:20:52 AM PST by Pikamax
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posted on
11/18/2004 11:20:52 AM PST
by
Pikamax
To: Pikamax
An Islamic terrorist commits a heinous act of murder, and the Dutch say that they need to calm things down by restricting free speech.
I guess the "people don't kill, guns kill" approach did not work, so they are taking the "people don't kill, free speech kills" approach.
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posted on
11/18/2004 11:25:01 AM PST
by
Brilliant
To: Pikamax
Muslim standards of acceptable free speech, she said, and asked why misogynist and homophobic comments by Islamic clerics were not to be treated in the same way. Why, because anyone who tries to stop them could get killed. Silly question.
(steely)
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posted on
11/18/2004 11:26:14 AM PST
by
Steely Tom
(Fortunately, fhe Bill of Rights doesn't include the word 'is'.)
To: Pikamax
"Laetitia Griffith, an MP for the VVD liberals, said the justice minister was exploiting Mr van Gogh's murder to impose his bible-belt values on the country. "
There's a bible-belt in Holland?
To: Pikamax
I had to read the sentence "God as a randy donkey" five times. A "randy donkey"???? anything being a randy donkey is kinda weird but God???
I kept on thinking I was misreading it.
To: Pikamax
Blasphemy law revival upsets the Dutch elite Alternate headline:
Blasphemy law revival upsets the drug addled Dutch elite, but only long enough for them to miss one visit to the local brothel.
Theo van Gogh was a cynical filthy misanthrope. But so what? So is most of Hollywood.
The Dutch don't need to enforce the blasphemy laws they need to enforce their murder and immigration laws.
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posted on
11/18/2004 11:27:41 AM PST
by
AreaMan
To: Pikamax
In response, the Dutch justice minister, Piet Hein Donner, has proposed enforcing a 1932 law banning "scornful blasphemy".
Yeah, that aut to fix everything...Ya lefty lunkhead...
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posted on
11/18/2004 11:28:50 AM PST
by
Edgerunner
(The left ain't right. Hand me that launch pickle...)
To: Pikamax
>>The minister told the Dutch parliament on Tuesday that the law was needed to curb "hateful comments", whether oral or written, that were destabilising the country.
"If the opinions have a potentially damaging effect on society, the government must act," he said. "It is not about religion specifically, but any harmful comments in general."
Mr Donner, a Christian-Democrat, said strict enforcement was needed to stop "explosive material" setting off yet more violence.<<
IOW, the Dutch government surrenders to the Islamists!
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posted on
11/18/2004 11:29:39 AM PST
by
Captain Rhino
("If you will just abandon logic, these things will make a lot more sense to you!")
To: Moral Hazard
There's a bible-belt in Holland?I asked the same question on a previous thread. Apparently it's just the large population centers like Amsterdam that are liberal, not the countryside. In otherwords it's a blue country with lots of smaller red counties to borrow our election terminology.
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posted on
11/18/2004 11:34:29 AM PST
by
NeoCaveman
("I expressed myself rather forcefully, felt better after I had done it," -- VP Cheney)
To: Moral Hazard
There's a bible-belt in Holland?There are very small pockets of Catholic and Calvinist resistance in more rural areas like Limburg.
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posted on
11/18/2004 11:35:10 AM PST
by
wideawake
(God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
To: Brilliant
An Islamic terrorist commits a heinous act of murder, and the Dutch say that they need to calm things down by restricting free speech. Should we have expected anything else?
I don't object to blasphemy laws, but I think we know which religious group this law is going to work against.
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posted on
11/18/2004 11:36:20 AM PST
by
Aquinasfan
(Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
To: Moral Hazard
In fact, I once knew a banking trainee from Holland named Joop who would say grace at lunch every day.
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posted on
11/18/2004 11:36:29 AM PST
by
wideawake
(God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
To: Pikamax
A proposal to revive a blasphemy law to calm sectarian tensions in Holland Translation: Indulge in more self enforced Dhimmitude to appease the Koranimals.
They will love this sweet victory, and demand more.
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posted on
11/18/2004 11:37:00 AM PST
by
USF
(I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade.)
To: Pikamax
Man, we have the patriot act which allows different government departments to share databases, and the civil libertarians go nuts. I can't imagine what would happen if Ashcroft tried something like this.
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posted on
11/18/2004 11:40:52 AM PST
by
Koblenz
(Holland: a very tolerant country. Until someone shoots you on a public street in broad daylight...)
To: Pikamax
The minister told the Dutch parliament on Tuesday that the law was needed to curb "hateful comments", whether oral or written, that were destabilising the country. Will this include the Koran?
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posted on
11/18/2004 11:41:36 AM PST
by
USF
(I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade.)
To: Aquinasfan
I don't object to blasphemy laws, but I think we know which religious group this law is going to work against. Um, so censorship is fine as long as it's not inflicted on you? Great.
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posted on
11/18/2004 11:41:56 AM PST
by
ThinkDifferent
(A plan is not a litany of complaints)
To: Moral Hazard
There's a bible-belt in Holland? Some areas of the countryside are religion. That big software company, Baan N.V. was very religious: you couldn't travel on Sunday if you worked for them (and if you did, you would absolutely not get reimbursed). Meetings began with a prayer, and management referred to each other by their pew number.
Baan NV also lost a ton of money, and was bought by a British company, which then sold it a few months ago to a private American company in Chicago called SSA Global Technologies, which has bought a bunch of software companies. But I digress.
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posted on
11/18/2004 11:43:16 AM PST
by
Koblenz
(Holland: a very tolerant country. Until someone shoots you on a public street in broad daylight...)
To: Pikamax
It was unclear whether Theo van Gogh would have fallen foul of the law. An inflammatory provocateur, he relished denigrating Islam, Judaism and Christianity in equal measure as forms of barbarous superstition
They're justifying his murder by saying that he provoked it with his words.
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posted on
11/18/2004 11:43:49 AM PST
by
aynrandfreak
(If 9/11 didn't change you, you're a bad human being)
To: Pikamax
Laetitia Griffith, an MP for the VVD liberals, said the justice minister was exploiting Mr van Gogh's murder to impose his bible-belt values on the country. Is there a Bible Belt in the Netherlands?
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posted on
11/18/2004 11:47:09 AM PST
by
CzarNicky
(The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
To: Pikamax
I guess all that European tolerance was only one molecule deep.
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posted on
11/18/2004 11:50:24 AM PST
by
js1138
(D*mn, I Missed!)
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