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Foley Sees Parallels in Daschle's Defeat
AP ^ | 11/18/04 | MATTHEW DALY

Posted on 11/18/2004 6:32:12 PM PST by nypokerface

WASHINGTON - For Tom Foley, election night was a bitter replay of a moment he would rather forget.

Ten years after the former Democratic House speaker was turned out of office in a humiliating defeat, Foley watched as Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle was vanquished in a race with parallels to his own.

In each case, voters more conservative than the veteran lawmaker representing them punished a leader they perceived as more in touch with the capital than his home state.

If anyone understands Daschle's pain, it is Foley. His 1994 defeat made him the first sitting House speaker since 1862 to lose a bid for re-election. Daschle, D-S.D., was the first party leader in the Senate to lose re-election in more than 50 years.

"I think Tom Daschle did a fantastic job as leader, but he was in a state that went very heavily for President Bush, and that was a political risk that he took and did so, I think, bravely," Foley said in an Associated Press interview.

Foley, 75, represented a Spokane, Wash.-based district for 30 years before losing the seat to Republican George Nethercutt.

Foley said Daschle, who lost to former Rep. John Thune, suffered from many of the factors that ultimately felled him: Voters either did not appreciate or understand the value of service as party leader, a role that sometimes caused both men to act in ways contrary to their own political survival.

"I think sometimes there's a difficulty in understanding what a state receives from having a majority leader in the Senate or a speaker of the House — or that those things viewed as not as important as they once were," Foley said.

In Foley's case, the disconnect was so stark that he once was berated at a public meeting for having a poor voting record in the House. Traditionally, the speaker does not vote at all, Foley explained, adding that he occasionally voted on issues crucial to the district or the country.


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: South Dakota; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: daschle; nethercutt; thune; tomfoley

1 posted on 11/18/2004 6:32:12 PM PST by nypokerface
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To: nypokerface

Foley was another pro-abort leftist from a conservative district who fooled his voters for years. His two-faced representation finally caught up to him. Foley got what he deserved.


2 posted on 11/18/2004 6:36:57 PM PST by bushisdamanin04
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To: nypokerface

Foley was the typical arrogant Democrap back then. The people in his state voted for term limits, and Foley sued them. Within 5 years these old democrap fools will be gone.
The end of a mess started in the early 30s.


3 posted on 11/18/2004 6:40:13 PM PST by ProudVet77 (Just say NO to blue states.)
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To: nypokerface

I am proud to be one of those who voted against Tom Foley in 1994.

That was a good night.


4 posted on 11/18/2004 6:40:20 PM PST by ScottFromSpokane (We're none of us prefect.)
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To: bushisdamanin04
The biggest single thing that defeated Foley was he finally took off his mask of being pro-freedom, and supported the Clinton anti-Second Amendment bills, both the "Assault Weapon" ban and the Brady Bill, another attempt to move us toward gun registration in this country. The bills passed, but Foley paid a heavy price...he lost...the Democrats lost the house and the Senate, and they haven't got them back yet.
5 posted on 11/18/2004 6:41:27 PM PST by marktwain
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To: nypokerface

DEFOLEYATE WASHINGTON


6 posted on 11/18/2004 6:42:04 PM PST by Ben Chad
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To: nypokerface
I had forgotten all about Foley. I celebrated some then but I am going to add it to the Nov2004 things to celebrate. 10 year anniversary.
7 posted on 11/18/2004 6:43:47 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (We won. We don't need to be forgiving. Let the heads roll!!!!!!!!!)
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To: nypokerface

"...a political risk that he took and did so, I think, bravely..."

If it was so brave, why did he then always pretend he was so conservative when he went back to SD? He was a hypocrite, and a liberal hack, who lied for a living. I may keep the same tagline, in his "honor," for six more years!


8 posted on 11/18/2004 6:45:05 PM PST by jim35 (I'll bet Dasshole is Deeply Saddened now!!!)
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To: nypokerface
"I think sometimes there's a difficulty in understanding what a state receives from having a majority leader in the Senate or a speaker of the House..." Foley said.

I guess pork barreling doesn't go as far as it used to in the good old days, hey Tom? :)

9 posted on 11/18/2004 6:46:34 PM PST by Ragnar704
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To: crazyhorse691

It was his oversized, panhandle ears that brought him down.


10 posted on 11/18/2004 6:46:58 PM PST by pissant
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To: jim35

Speaking of bravery...did you read about the ad Daschle ran in which he was shown hugging President Bush?

Yep, old Daschle really stood up to those Republicans!


11 posted on 11/18/2004 6:49:06 PM PST by Ragnar704
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To: nypokerface
Voters either did not appreciate or understand the value of service as party leader.

I guess the writer is saying that red-state voters (like me) are just too stupid to understand complex things like politics. We're too dump to know what's in our own best interests. And if we were smarter, we vote for libs.

12 posted on 11/18/2004 6:49:19 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: nypokerface

BTTT


13 posted on 11/18/2004 6:52:02 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: marktwain

Yep, take care of your voters ... or face defeat. Daschle was really stupid for not learning from Foley's downfall.


14 posted on 11/18/2004 6:52:46 PM PST by bushisdamanin04
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To: nypokerface

The Senate has a bank? Who knew?


15 posted on 11/18/2004 6:53:12 PM PST by ken5050
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To: bushisdamanin04
"Foley got what he deserved."

Yup, he did.

Somehow though, Daschle's smackdown was a lot sweeter. Daschle was an obstructionist, and in my view, one of the worst leaders of the Senate in my lifetime if not ever.

16 posted on 11/18/2004 6:55:22 PM PST by Radix (Will the last person out please turn off the Tag Lines?)
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To: nypokerface

Foley? Yeah I remember him. I also remember him stealing silverware on airplanes. Cool guy.


17 posted on 11/18/2004 6:56:31 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Radix

Agreed. Daschle's demise was as sweet as it gets ... until Hillary goes down ... politically speaking, that is.


18 posted on 11/18/2004 6:56:50 PM PST by bushisdamanin04
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To: nypokerface
"If anyone understands Daschle's pain, it is Foley..."

Enough with the pain angle already....will the Dimms ever grow up?

19 posted on 11/18/2004 7:00:16 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: nypokerface
His 1994 defeat made him the first sitting House speaker since 1862 to lose a bid for re-election. Daschle, D-S.D., was the first party leader in the Senate to lose re-election in more than 50 years.

Message to modeRATS - you're next!

20 posted on 11/18/2004 7:00:46 PM PST by mombonn ( íViva Bush/Cheney! Dukakis and Kerry are the matching bookends of the Bush era.)
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To: Ragnar704
"I think sometimes there's a difficulty in understanding what a state receives from having a majority leader in the Senate or a speaker of the House..." Foley said.

I guess pork barreling doesn't go as far as it used to in the good old days, hey Tom? :)

What's this about a "majority leader" in the Senate? Did I miss something?

IIRC, the reason Thune lost the 2002 race (apart from the reservation vote fraud) was the crossover Republicans voting for Johnson because they assumed that the Senate would be Democrat-controlled after the election; hence, little Tommy would be the majority leader. As we all know, that didn't happen. Well, most of us know it. Brother Foley seems to be locked in a temporal stasis field since he left DC.

21 posted on 11/18/2004 7:19:07 PM PST by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: nypokerface
Voters either did not appreciate or understand the value of service as party leader, a role that sometimes caused both men to act in ways contrary to their own political survival.

There's his error in judgment. As soon as he put his party before his constituents, he was doomed. Just like Daschle. The people of SD woke up and realized that Daschle was no longer putting them first.

22 posted on 11/18/2004 7:23:09 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (Democrats: Tolerant of all people and opinions. Except me & mine - Conservative, Christian.)
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To: nypokerface

Uh, what isn't mentioned is that Tom Foley sued his constituency.


23 posted on 11/18/2004 7:35:53 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: Keith in Iowa
"The people of SD woke up and realized that Daschle was no longer putting them first"

All that dough from Loral, Boeing, etc benefitted the citizens of SD- well, at least two of them.

24 posted on 11/18/2004 7:47:01 PM PST by fat city (Julius Rosenberg's soviet code name was "Liberal")
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To: nypokerface

25 posted on 11/18/2004 7:47:59 PM PST by UnklGene
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To: marktwain

Sen's Dorgan and Conrad
Take note


26 posted on 11/18/2004 8:16:46 PM PST by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW.)
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To: CPT Clay

South Dakota is my state and Dasshole no more represented this state than the man in the moon. He was a die hard Kennedy liberal who had the audacity on more than one occassion to say "I am a D.C. resident. His wife is a liberal lobbyist for a big firm in Washington. He own a 2 mil home in virginia and nothing in SD. Reminds me of George McGovern who was the same type.


27 posted on 11/18/2004 10:35:02 PM PST by snowman1
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To: nypokerface

Ah yes, that's right. This IS the 10 year anniversary of Tom Foley's defeat at the hands of Nethercutt...

Maybe we shoudl all send Tom Foley sympathy cards bwaaaaahahahahahahahahaha


28 posted on 11/19/2004 8:00:22 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Fascists Unhappy Concerning Kerry's Election Defeat.)
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