Skip to comments.Priority 1: Remove Specter from the Judiciary (Final)
Posted on 11/19/2004 2:02:09 AM PST by Always Right
11-19 Update: By now you are all aware the Specter has the support of the nine current GOP members of the Judiciary Committee which will be more than enough to secure his position as Chairman. I know many of you are disappointed and perhaps angry at the loss, but don't be. This battle was not about Specter being chairman, this battle was about laying the groundwork so that good legislation would get pass and conservative judicial nominees would get confirmed. From that perspective, I think we scored huge and important victories:
1. The Senate is on Notice. Senator Graham noted that he received more calls on this than any issue since Clinton's impeachment. Reports from other Senator offices note the same. We have been heard loud and clear.
2. Specter has been Neutered. With Specter's statements and promises to every GOP Senator and to the public, it will be very difficult and politically impossible for Specter to unilaterally bottle up legislation or shelf judicial nominees. If Specter goes back on his word, there will be enormous outrage and sufficient cause to remove him from the judiciary. Who Chairs each committee and which members serve on each committee is determine by majority party rules, so there are solutions to Specter should he should become a problem.
3. New Judiciary Members will be Conservative. I think I am extremely safe in saying that the one or two additional GOP appointment to the Judiciary Panel will be conservative. If Frist and Santorum mess this up, they deserved to be shot and killed on the spot.
4. 'Nuclear Option' is Viable. My feeling was that the Senate had never really considered this as a viable option, but now I have heard numerous Senators, including Frisk, talk about changing the Senate cloture rules. The so-called 'nuclear option' would limit the use of filibusters to legislation only, so filibusters could not be used against judicial nominations. This is an extremely positive development and will only require 51 votes. The biggest disappointment is that Frist may only resort to this on Supreme Court nominees. We need this option alive for all nominees.
5. We still have 55 GOP Senators. So we have extracted our pound of flesh from Specter and we have focused the Senate on getting judges confirmed, all while keeping our Senate majority firmly in tact. Sure there are 3-4 RINOs and few other unreliables, but we made our point and haven't really lost anything.
I know there are many naysayers out there who believe Republican Senators are a bunch of spineless wimps, which is true to an extent. However, I really think this effort has empowered conservative Senators to act conservative. So before everyone condemns the Senate, don't do so prematurely. Let's judge the real results, the judges and the legislation. I am very optimistic that we may have apparently lost this battle, but are on the way to winning the war. In the end, this may have been the best possible outcome.
So let's remember folks, we control the White House, the House of Representatives, and well, we are working on the Senate. But this is the best position conservatives have ever been in. So let's not get all negative and doom and gloom. Let's get busy.
Thomas Sowell, Laura Ingraham, Grassroots.PA, Coalition for a Fair Judiciary, Stop Specter Now!, National Right to Life Committee, NRO - The Corner, The Conservative Voice, Focus on the Family
Petitions on the Web:
We Want a Strong Leader on the Senate Judiciary Committee - GOPUSA
"New Pro-Abortion Senate Judiciary Chair?" - Voices Heard
Arlen Specter MUST NOT become Chairman of the Judiciary Committee. - nospecter
Pull chair out from under RINO Arlen Specter - Conservative Petitions
Petition to Republican Senators Opposing the Election of Senator Arlen Specter - AFA
THE FAIR JUDICIARY OATH - Coalition for Fair Judiciary
On-line Petition - gopwing.com
Latest News Stories:
NEW! Specter Effectively Wins Senate Judiciary Chair - Reuters 11-18-04
NEW! Republicans on Senate Judiciary Panel Endorse Specter as Chair Bloomberg 11-18-04
NEW! Specter secures judiciary chairmanship after issuing statement The Philadelphia Inquirer 11-18-04
Pro-choice Specter faces GOP test Chicago Trib 11-15
Frist withholds Specter support Washington Times, 11-15
NY Times: Frist Sees Hurdles for Specter NYT 11-14
For Specter, a Showdown Over Judiciary Chairmanship Washington Post 11-14
The Specter Campaign National Review 11-11
Focus on the Family ups effort to block Specter Rocky Mountain News 11-11
Embattled Specter upset at HRC snub NY Blade 11-12
As Specter seeks a chairmanship, it's payback time for conservatives Phily Inquirer 11-12
An ominous Specter: Part III Thomas Sowell 11-12
Specter's voting record Washington Times, 11-11
Specter asks to appeal to peers AP via Washington Times 11-11
Specter sees 'a battle for balance in the Republican Party' Philly Inquirer 11-11
An ominous Specter: Part II Thomas Sowell 11-10
Specter Seeks Meeting with Fellow Republicans - Reuters 11-10
An ominous Specter - Thomas Sowell 11-10
Specter Still Not in the Clear - Fox News 11-9
Spat over Specter may be subsiding - Pittsburg Post-Gazette 11-9
Conservatives target Specter - Washington Times 11-9
GOP Senators Struggle with Specter Chairmanship Focus on the Family 11-9
Under Fire, Specter Gets Only Tepid White House Support NY Times 11-9
Why the Specter flap matters - Boston Globe 11-9
The Left's View on Specter - Limbaugh 11-9
Specter Campaign Crumbling - Human Events 11-8
Senate Chairmanship in Question for Specter - NPR 11-8
Specter Opponents Pressing Senate Leaders - AP 11-8
A Specter of Trouble - OpinionEditorials 11-8
Specter: "I not only voted against Bork, I led the charge aGrassroots PAgainst him." - Grassroots.PA 11-7
Specter says he won't slow anti-abortion court nominees - CNN 11-7
Arlen Specter - "Bork" Him - Intellectual Conservative 11-6
Judges Following No Law (why Arlen Specter must go) - ****Robert Bork, 8-12-04
Keep Arlen Specter off chair of Judiciary Committee! - WND 11-6
Who's spinning? Specter or reporter? - WND 11-5
All eyes on Sen. Specter - Washington Times 11-5
Conservative wing raises fuss over Specter's views - New York Times 11-5
Specter faces battle for Judiciary chair - Washington Times 11-5
Sen. Specter Ignites Firestorm of Opposition - NewsMax 11-5
Suffering Specter - Pittsburg Tribune Review 11-5
Specter's Remarks Trigger Protest - Focus on the Family 11-5
Lawmaker wants Grassley on judiciary panel - Des Moines Register 11-5
Specter 'Borked' Himself from Senate Judiciary Committee - Concerned Women for America 11-5
Pro-Life Pray-In Planned to Stop Specter - CNSNEWS 11-5
Will Specter Chair Judiciary? - Human Events 11-5
Thank You, Arlen - National Review 11-3
GOP Sen. Specter Vows to Block Bush's Nominees - NewsMax 10-29
The Northeastern Liberal (Kerry and Specter, two peas in a pod.) - Evan-Novak 3-11-04
Actual Transcript of News Conference Wherein Specter Threatens Bush's Judicial Nominees
Specter's "Clarification" of his Threats to Pres. Bush's Judicial Nominees
Another Soros Specter Connection (The Bush-Soros Pick)
SPECTER SLAMS CONSERVATIVES IN CAMPAIGN LETTER, ATTACKS PRO-LIFERS, CHRISTIANS
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I really hope your correct, but Chambliss has lost any future vote from me in any case.
I'll not vote for Frist either.
Spineless Republican leadership is leadership we don't need.
Any idea why they were so hell-bound-for-leather to allow him to keep the chair?
Ditto on the BIG thanks to you AlwaysRight for all your efforts. You inspired us to act - and act we did! While I'm not happy Specter is Chair, I do believe the fear of G*D was put in him. The GOP mobilized us for the campaign, now we have the structure in place to hold our representatives responsible - AND WE WILL.
The Seniority rules in the Senate are a sacred cow. While the House has on occasion bypassed Seniority rules for Chairman positions, the Senate never has. It doesn't make sense, just the way the Senate always operates.
My computer ate my ping list. I think I have a copy at my office, but it probably doesn't have a few late additions.
Specter is a snake ping. Thanks all for your effort.
Add Peggy Noonan to your list of "confused conservatives".
You are correct, we are in good shape, but we must not sit back and relax. The left has been on a 40 year crusade to destroy this country, their actions since the election show that they do not feel discouraged, they intend to fight on. We have gained considerable ground, but we too must resolve to fight on.
A perhaps minor point; NRO *as a whole* has been opposed to Specter, not just the corner...
The left has been on a 40 year crusade to destroy this country, their actions since the election show that they do not feel discouraged
I have no doubt the left will still fight hard, but I do think they are demoralized. I have never heard so much silence from the left as I have in the past couple of weeks.
That's true. NRO has put out some of the best articles on the subject.
Heculean effort.....but I think Specter is in..it's a done deal.
Thanks you for the kind comment. I am aware that Specter is pretty much a done deal, that's why this was the 'final' post on this.
Specter, from now on will do our bidding. How he got through the primaries, the election and then this firestorm is beyond me though.
I don't believe that. Specter is on a short lease and won't obstruct, but I expect Specter to oppose Bush on some key appointments.
Thanks everyone. We have had great response on these threads. 135 comments on day 1, 285 comments on day 2, 183 on day 3, 104 on day 4, 137 on day 5, 70 on day 6, 90 on day 7, 74 on day 8, 90 on day 9, and 119 on the last two. So about 1300 comments in all.
I think the effort has put the Senate Republicans on notice and they in turn have Specter much more a partner than he would be as a pouting non chairman..The dems will,of course, do all the obstructing they can.
"It was a wake up call to the Senate, and they know it."
The big wake up call was when South Dakota dumped Daschle. The democrats heard that one loud and clear.
Am I wrong to at least expect him to give us an explanation and some degree of personal assurance that he will assume responsibility if Specter fails to get our nominees confirmed?
Nope, he should justify his position and take responsibility for it. You should call his office and ask the Senator to publicly explain his position so he is on record. Tell them you are disappointed with his decision, but be polite and ask for a public explaination.
I am very concerned with the way McCain and Hillary are positioning themselves, it could very well come down to a race between those two phonies. I would take Rudy over McCain, just because I think Rudy is genuine and McCain is unstable eventhough McCain has a more conservative background. As of now, 2008 does not look good for getting a conservative into the White House. Can we somehow reincarnate Dan Quayle from his political death?
I will vote third party before I will vote for a liberal like Rudy for president.
Hope it IS the final post on this. That means specter is doing the job. Bookmarked...just in case.
thanx again...great effort.
Excellent campaign and summary!
I think we scared the you know what out of Specter. He won't be putting up much resistance to conservative appointments now. If he wants to keep his seat next election, he will support the President.
It was fun while it lasted...
Specter will be somewhat a good soldier for the next couple of years. But Specter is getting old and I don't think he is too concerned with next election. The biggest problem with letting Specter be chairmen, will be in years 2-4. This fiasco will be forgotten and Specter will be himself agian.
Don't worry, soon we will be worried about real issues and real appointments. That is when the real fun will begin.
Specter is a particularly vain and preening little strut of a Senate rooster. Outrage his ego by denying him a traditional perk, and he might be able to do more damage off the chair than on it.
Politics is generally just surviving the lesser of two evils. Conservatives, and I am one, don't believe in perfectability, just endurability.
Confused Conservatives: Hugh Hewitt
I still wish you'd not refer to Hewitt as a conservative, as he is not.
I really don't know Hewitt that well. I know some people call O'Reilly a conservative, so I know the label is thrown around loosely. I do know that he was confused on this subject. We may have come up short on this fight, but we did good. We damaged Specter some, we got the attention of every GOP Senator, and important issues were brought to the front burner. Overall, the effect of the campaign was positive although not as positive as it could have been.
"If Frist and Santorum mess this up, they deserved to be shot and killed on the spot."
I know this is written in mere jest, but could we refraim from using such harsh language. It really is uncalled for!!
WE are champions for LIFE and the above statement, even in mere jest, serves no purpose.
What do you think of Bush appointing Pat Toomey to the OMB?
Hopefully the conservatives in PA have been heard!
Thanks for the threads and updates. I do intend to keep a close watch and when (not if) Specter oopses out of the lines, it will be interesting to see what will happen. It's not clear to me what leverage there is when he reverts to being himself, but I suspect that the leadership feel that they have some.
Laura Ingraham as I am writing this, is pointing out that Specter had to scramble to assure his fellow republicans. She points out that conservatives across the land are educated and mobilized to the importance of the Judiciary and its processes. It's overall a victory.
We are going to get Filibuster reform.
We had an effect. We are integral in the process now. And she continues to point out that we are ready to fight the next fight.
Hadn't heard that, but sounds like an excellent move on Bush's part. Bush ran a solid campaign, but in hindsight supporting Specter may have been his biggest blunder. But at the time, PA was an important battleground state. One would have assumed Specter might actually help Bush, but it might have surpressed more conservative voters. Who knows, I am not even sure hindsight is 20-20.
BTW: here's the public statement he made:
November 19, 2004
"...If a rule change is necessary to avoid filibusters, there are relevant recent precedents to secure rule changes with 51 votes. "
Oh, don't you know that they are "put on notice"? Yeah, right, and they continue to ignore the notice.
I want Specter GONE, REPLACED, now, it that clear enough? Lessee, what do they not understand about that?
Thanks, I don't get to hear Laura around here only when I get up towards Chicago. She did a wonderful job on this and was the most vocal big name host leading this issue. We are in a real grey area on what can be done to Specter down the road. I know in the 40's there was a Senator who did not even show up for a couple years but retained his chairmanship, so getting rid of one would be new ground. The GOP rules dictact who they appoint, so I assume every two years the GOP can appoint whomever they please. During a session is a lot more questionable.
We'll see what happens, but I think it would be a great move, especially if Toomey wants to go after Rendell!
Thanks for posting that to this thread. I hadn't seen his final statement yet, and that is a positive sign. That statement is going to raise the fur of some Democrats. I am convinced that Specter will hurt us a couple years down the road, but over the short term things look good.
Why would Specter have to watch his step? He likely will never run for election again, and a little bit of flack from the vast right wing is just part of the job.
One possibility (believe it or not) is impeachment. If Specter fails to do his job, impeachment charges can be brought against him in the House.
I found out about this "nuclear solution" a few days ago, and haven't had time to investigate it thoroughly. But we do have a stronger voice in the House, and tort reform (opposed by Specter) is high on their list of things to do.
Wouldn't that be the first great irony of the 21st century -- impeaching a Senator who follows Scottish law.
OK, maybe you were right, but at 4:00 in the morning it sounded alright. Of course it was just figuratively speaking, but I should have used more appropriate language such as 'hung them up by their toes' or something nonlethal.
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