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A Shooting in Fallujah (Marine in Falujah INNOCENT)
National Review ^ | 11-19-04 | Mackubin Owen

Posted on 11/19/2004 6:41:50 AM PST by Imnotalib

This is just one story most don't hear:

A young Marine and his cover man cautiously enter a room just recently filled with insurgents armed with AK-47s and RPGs. There are three dead, another wailing in pain. The insurgent can be heard saying, "Mister, mister! Diktoor, diktoor (doctor)!" He is badly wounded, lying in a pool of his own blood. The Marine and his cover man slowly walk toward the injured man, scanning to make sure no enemies come from behind. In a split second, the pressure in the room greatly exceeds that of the outside, and the concussion seems to be felt before the blast is heard. Marines outside rush to the room, and look in horror as the dust gradually settles. The result is a room filled with the barely recognizable remains of the deceased, caused by an insurgent setting off several pounds of explosives.

The Marines' remains are gathered by teary-eyed comrades, brothers in arms, and shipped home in a box. The families can only mourn over a casket and a picture of their loved one, a life cut short by someone who hid behind a white flag. But no one hears these stories, except those who have lived to carry remains of a friend, and the families who loved the dead. No one hears this, so no one cares.

This is the story everyone hears:

A young Marine and his fire team cautiously enter a room just recently filled with insurgents armed with AK-47s and RPGs. There are three dead, another wailing in pain. The insurgent can be heard saying, "Mister, mister! Diktoor, diktoor (doctor)!" He is badly wounded. Suddenly, he pulls from under his bloody clothes a grenade, without the pin. The explosion rocks the room, killing one Marine, wounding the others. The young Marine catches shrapnel in the face.

The next day, same Marine, same type of situation, a different story. The young Marine and his cover man enter a room with two wounded insurgents. One lies on the floor in puddle of blood, another against the wall. A reporter and his camera survey the wreckage inside, and in the background can be heard the voice of a Marine, "He's moving, he's moving!"

The pop of a rifle is heard, and the insurgent against the wall is now dead.

Minutes, hours later, the scene is aired on national television, and the Marine is being held for committing a war crime. Unlawful killing.

And now, another Marine has the possibility of being burned at the stake for protecting the life of his brethren. His family now wrings their hands in grief, tears streaming down their face. Brother, should I have been in your boots, I too would have done the same.

For those of you who don't know, we Marines, Band of Brothers, Jarheads, Leathernecks, etc., do not fight because we think it is right, or think it is wrong. We are here for the man to our left, and the man to our right. We choose to give our lives so that the man or woman next to us can go home and see their husbands, wives, children, friends and families.

For those of you who sit on your couches in front of your television, and choose to condemn this man's actions, I have but one thing to say to you. Get out of you recliner, lace up my boots, pick up a rifle, leave your family behind, and join me. See what I've seen, walk where I have walked. To those of you who support us, my sincerest gratitude. You keep us alive.

I am a Marine currently doing his second tour in Iraq. These are my opinions and mine alone. They do not represent those of the Marine Corps or of the U.S. military, or any other.


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This portion of Owen's article, which was e-mailed to him by a Marine in Iraq, puts the shooting in persective.

This young Marine must NOT be sacrificed on the ALTAR of political correctness, or to appease the savages in the Muslim nations. And to the DUmmies calling for court martial or worse, how about you go to Iraq and fight, and then we'll see if your opinion changes.

For miliatry and legal ramifications, go to NRO and read the whole article.

1 posted on 11/19/2004 6:41:50 AM PST by Imnotalib
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To: Imnotalib

BUMP!


2 posted on 11/19/2004 6:44:43 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Imnotalib
"the insurgent against the wall"

Must be a typo....Should read "the islamo-fascist terrorist against the wall"

4 posted on 11/19/2004 6:45:32 AM PST by kahoutek
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To: Imnotalib
I think it is time to bar reporters from going along with our troops in Iraq since quite a few of them don't respect our military such as the NBC correspondent. Even better, do background checks on their politics. No lib's or antiwar people need not apply.
5 posted on 11/19/2004 6:45:48 AM PST by CORedneck
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To: Imnotalib

BIG BUMP


6 posted on 11/19/2004 6:46:46 AM PST by sweetiepiezer (We stopped Kerry for our grandkids sake!!!!!!!! Thank you America!!!!!!)
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To: CORedneck

I agree. They are the enemy'spropoganda mouthpiece.


7 posted on 11/19/2004 6:47:57 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: Imnotalib
While it may sound strange to some, I believe the idea of restraint in war helps to civilize a brutal human activity and to limit the descent of soldiers into barbarism.

I and a couple of others got pilloried for saying essentially this. We apparently have some among our number who think that no restraint against the Falluja terrorists can be justified.

8 posted on 11/19/2004 6:49:40 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Imnotalib

The so called journalist condemming this Marine haven't got a clue as to what it is like being in the situation that those Marine's were under.


9 posted on 11/19/2004 6:50:18 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, AIr Force, Pray for all our military in hostile territory.)
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To: Imnotalib

"These are my opinions and mine alone. "


Umm...they're mine too.


10 posted on 11/19/2004 6:50:43 AM PST by Blzbba (Conservative Republican - Less gov't, less spending, less intrusion.)
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To: Imnotalib

the embedded journalist serves the terrorists even as the rest of the MSM serves lies and fallacies. Goebbels smiles from hell.


11 posted on 11/19/2004 6:50:53 AM PST by twntaipan (Bush won--demonRATs should get used to the idea.)
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To: CORedneck

Or at least monitor what is released. This is simply a non story to me. I can't believe that MSM is still talking about it. I don't know anyone who has given it a second thought.


12 posted on 11/19/2004 6:51:16 AM PST by mel
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To: CORedneck

IN TOTAL AGREEMENT!
U S M C 74-80
SEMPER FIDELIS!
GODSPEED!


13 posted on 11/19/2004 6:51:20 AM PST by alpha-8-25-02 (SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE)
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To: Imnotalib

bttt


14 posted on 11/19/2004 6:51:35 AM PST by firewalk
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To: Imnotalib

Thanks for your post. We all need to be contacting our elected representatives, and local media to support this marine. Here's what I wrote to my local newspaper.


Editor, the News Sentinel:

The liberal media is hard at work again, showing video and writing articles
about the Marine who shot the wounded Iraqi terrorist. Now that technology
exists to allow embedded reporters to carry video cameras with satellite
uplinks, the media and liberal politicians find it easier and faster than
ever to characterize American soldiers as cruel, and force them into no-win
situations.

John Kerry was given a Silver Star for chasing down and killing a wounded
Vietnamese soldier, and liberals called him a war hero. Now, the same crowd
wants to misrepresent what a Marine chose to do in a split-second decision,
in hopes that it will reflect poorly on our men and women serving in harm's
way (and by extension, President Bush).

American Soldiers, Airmen and Marines deserve better than this. I urge
everyone to call and write your elected representatives to say we won't
stand by while good men are made scapegoats to serve a cynical political
agenda. Contact info for Local, State, and Federal government officials can
be found at the following address:
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/. This Marine and thousands of
others are overseas protecting our families here at home. We should in
exchange protect them here on the home front.


17 posted on 11/19/2004 6:54:22 AM PST by Fletcher J
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To: Imnotalib

http://www.petitiononline.com/as123/petition.html


18 posted on 11/19/2004 6:56:29 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Made in USA

I think you are on to something here..........Let the reporters sacrifice their lives for their newspapers, instead of their country......and save the lives of our marines at the same time.


19 posted on 11/19/2004 6:58:49 AM PST by joe fonebone (We won.......time to do it OUR way!)
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To: mvpel
"no restraint against the Falluja terrorists"

Your thoughts are there, but you clouded it with extra words.

NO restraint against Terrorist!

20 posted on 11/19/2004 7:00:04 AM PST by Deguello
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To: mvpel

"...restraint in war helps..."

Your "restraint in war help" get another American KILLED!

either you have never been in the military or you have been trained at the USAF Academy where they teach that war is NOT to CLOSE IN and DESTROY the enemy.

If you want a war won, SEND IN THE MARINES!


21 posted on 11/19/2004 7:01:29 AM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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To: Piquaboy
It is amazing that they do not understand since they are there! The correspondents in WWII and Korea understood and they were not as close.

The problem is that too many of these "journalists" are watching thw war thru their agendas, and not as objective observers,

How can they NOT see the difference between these IslamoNazis and what is right? They are so blinded by their loyalty to liberalism that they see a situation such as this, a situation created by war conditions and the duplicity of a dishonorable enemy, and make it seem worse than the murder and mutilation of innocent non-combatants.

Get rid if the embeds, let them in after the business of war is done.

22 posted on 11/19/2004 7:02:04 AM PST by Former Dodger ("False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil. " - Plato)
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To: Deguello

"Oh crap, he's breathing!" BLAM!

Is that what you're saying?


23 posted on 11/19/2004 7:02:23 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Imnotalib

You know, if the Marine, who is the subject of Kevin Sites' video, were to see Sites in trouble today, he would place his own life on the line to save him.

Even after all this crap.


24 posted on 11/19/2004 7:05:35 AM PST by Beckwith (John Kerry is now a kept man . . .)
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To: Imnotalib

The Iraqi insurgent with the grenade in the first incident was responsible for the shooting death of the second Iraqi. He may as well have pulled the trigger himself.


25 posted on 11/19/2004 7:05:46 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: Imnotalib

And another thing, while I'm riled up... lol

Online, you can read accounts of American Marines fighting an enemy who is fanatically determined to kill us, and is more than willing to fight and die for his god. Sound familiar? I'm not talking about Iraq - I refer instead to the pacific campaign of WWII, over 60 years ago.

15 seconds of research with Google shows that in the battle for the island of Iwo Jima, there were 21,000 Japanese soldiers. Only 212 were taken prisoner by men in what we now call "the greatest generation".

In Fallujah, over 1000 out of an estimated 5000 enemy combatants have been captured approx. 20%. I'd say that if the Marines charge this man with murder, then every American Marine that served in the Pacific theater should be investigated as well.

Fletcher J


26 posted on 11/19/2004 7:06:40 AM PST by Fletcher J
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To: mvpel

Good SOP...


27 posted on 11/19/2004 7:07:25 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero)
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To: Imnotalib; All
Visit the Fallujah Marine- "Free Republic has your back" support thread here.
28 posted on 11/19/2004 7:09:09 AM PST by wolicy_ponk (Kerry, follow me no closer than 1000 yards, or I'll teach you what a real purple heart is. -T.Peck)
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To: mvpel
"what you're saying?"

The context of the situation appears to be beyond your comprehension.

29 posted on 11/19/2004 7:11:22 AM PST by Deguello
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To: Made in USA
GREAT IDEA!!

Also the MSM forgets that there is a wounded terrorist lying just to the Marine's right, he has been bandaged and has surrendered (if yiu watch the entire video clip), he tries to speak with Sites...

30 posted on 11/19/2004 7:12:32 AM PST by Former Dodger ("False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil. " - Plato)
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To: Imnotalib

For those of you who don't know, we Marines, Band of Brothers, Jarheads, Leathernecks, etc., do not fight because we think it is right, or think it is wrong.


This is the kind of statement that worries me.
People who pick up a gun and kill others should have a clear understanding of why.

The left grabs on to this kind of attitude and points at the "mindless killers", taking the focus off the real issues.

People who don't have a clear understanding of the moral strength of their position have no business carrying a gun or being in battle.

If they have no reason for their mission they could just as easily be turned on our own people.

We have the moral high ground.
We are the defenders of freedom and liberty and the protectors of the innocent and weak.
I think this is the first and most important point to teach any man who goes into the military.

As for the young man in question, I've made it clear what I think.

He did his job.
We, the American people, have asked him to go to a foreign land and kill the terrorists that want to kill us. And to stop them there, before they can harm us.
We have asked him to do that, and we have asked him to return home alive.

If we let forces of the left use this technique to question the actions of men on the battlefield their blood will be on our hands.

We will lose more of our sons and daughters unnecessarily.

It's fair to debate policy, should we be there? How long should we stay? What are our goals?

But the moment an American solder hits the ground that solder is due the unwavering support of the people who sent him.
The enemy has defined the battle. There are no innocents
On the field. As long as they chose to use the wounded as weapons, and hide behind women and children the blood is on their hands.

I want every American solder to come home alive.
What ever it takes.


31 posted on 11/19/2004 7:13:27 AM PST by THEUPMAN (#### comment deleted by moderator)
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To: Imnotalib
And to the DUmmies calling for court martial or worse, how about you go to Iraq and fight, and then we'll see if your opinion changes.

What side would they fight on? I doubt it would be ours.

32 posted on 11/19/2004 7:17:22 AM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: mvpel

Perhaps, restraint is important to the eyes of "The World" who can judge our actions...
but who cares nobody is paying attention to US use of restraint.

The marines are warriors, the guys they are fighting are animals.


33 posted on 11/19/2004 7:22:43 AM PST by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: Imnotalib
To those of you who support us, my sincerest gratitude. You keep us alive.

This is the least we can do. President Bush has said you will return home with the honor you have earned. We owe it to you.
34 posted on 11/19/2004 7:26:59 AM PST by advance_copy
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To: twntaipan

Hey that guy Sites was complaining that he had gotten a lot of hate email. (I think some of us on FR did that) :)


35 posted on 11/19/2004 7:27:12 AM PST by DooDahhhh
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To: Imnotalib

As has been pointed out already, to use a religious building for military purposes or to feign death in combat when you are not indeed dead, ALL OF WHICH THE TERRORISTS HERE WERE DOING, are already violations of the Geneva Convention.

As the writer of this article so clearly states, the primary objective of a soldier in combat is to protect himself and the lives of his buddies.

That is precisely what this Marine was doing.

"Embedded newsmen" should be forbidden. No one can carry on a successful military operation with the entire world looking over your shoulder.

The U.S. military establishment, by merely INVESTIGATING this incident, is pandering to the anti-American media, demoralizing troops in the field, and encouraging future media miscreants.

Instead of this Marine being taken out service, Rumsfeld should go. He's the man at the top calling the shots here and he's way off the mark.


36 posted on 11/19/2004 7:30:10 AM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: DooDahhhh

Good! The stupid a$$hole deserves it. He should revert to his freelance reporting without any protection afforded by our brave Marines.


37 posted on 11/19/2004 7:32:06 AM PST by NY Attitude
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To: Imnotalib; lightingguy

Rose (of the Pittsburgh-based Rose and Quinn show) just read this on the air. Very compelling.


38 posted on 11/19/2004 7:35:17 AM PST by agrace
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To: NY Attitude

Yes, and he further stated that it was so bad that he shut that sight down; now, isn't that a stinking pity.


39 posted on 11/19/2004 7:38:13 AM PST by DooDahhhh
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To: Imnotalib
"This young Marine must NOT be sacrificed on the ALTAR of political correctness,"

Agreed. We must do whatever we can to help. Right now the court of public opinion is where we can help. Educate people what the situation is, just like this does.

40 posted on 11/19/2004 7:40:22 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Imnotalib

bump


41 posted on 11/19/2004 7:42:31 AM PST by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: DooDahhhh

One of those e-mails to Sites was from me.
I should have mentioned when I posted this article that al-Jazeera (all terrorist, all the time) news network has shown Sites' tape repeatedly, but didn't show the execution of Margaret Hassan because it was 'too grisly'.
In other words, they publicize the PR that hurts us, while withholding the PR that damages THEIR 'freedom fighters' (aka 'cold blooded lowlife Islamic scumbag murderers'.


42 posted on 11/19/2004 7:43:43 AM PST by Imnotalib (Kerry-Edwards=Liar-thief)
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To: Imnotalib

bump


43 posted on 11/19/2004 7:45:46 AM PST by EnigmaticAnomaly ("“When you see a rattlesnake poised to strike, don't wait until it has struck before you crush it)
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To: ZULU
As has been pointed out already, to use a religious building for military purposes or to feign death in combat when you are not indeed dead, ALL OF WHICH THE TERRORISTS HERE WERE DOING, are already violations of the Geneva Convention.

And how do you tell the difference between feigning death when you are not indeed dead, versus being nearly unconcsious due to your injuries? Is our new SOP to blow the brains out of any enemy fighter who appears to be unconscious?

44 posted on 11/19/2004 7:57:58 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Imnotalib

45 posted on 11/19/2004 8:20:56 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: mvpel

"Is our new SOP to blow the brains out of any enemy fighter who appears to be unconscious?"

In a situation where you are dealing with suicidial maniacs who have had a consistent track record of feigning death or surrender, then blowing up themselves and your troops, you always err on the safe side.

And this WAS SOP in the Pacific theatre in WW2 where the Japanese were similarly inclined.

I'd rather see an American soldier inadvertently blow away a guy who was not feigning death, than pass up one of these lunatics with a bomb who would then blow up him and his buddies.

We are in Iraq because we were attacked by an international terror cartel and these lunatics are part of that cartel. They are hardly conventional soldiers fighting a conventional war.


46 posted on 11/19/2004 8:50:54 AM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: DooDahhhh

Wow. Poor little Sites gets a bit of hate mail for his work. But the Marine he has set up may get the brig for poor little Kevin's lying efforts.


47 posted on 11/19/2004 3:14:28 PM PST by twntaipan (Bush won--demonRATs should get used to the idea.)
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To: Imnotalib; MEG33; No Blue States; mystery-ak; boxerblues; Allegra; Eagle Eye; sdpatriot; Dog; ...
Not enough evidence to charge marine in point-blank Fallujah shooting: report

WASHINGTON (AFP) - A US marine, captured on film killing a wounded Iraqi at point blank range during November's assault on Fallujah, will not be formally charged due to lack of evidence.

The November 13 shooting occurred during a search of a mosque in a widely broadcast incident that sparked worldwide outrage and was described by the International Committee of the Red Cross as a demonstration of "utter contempt for humanity."

In the incident, a trooper raised his rifle and shot point blank at an apparently unarmed, wounded Iraqi who was slumped against one of the mosque walls, in footage captured by an embedded cameraman working for the NBC network.

Although the insurgents were found to be unarmed, investigators said the one the Marine believed he had seen moving could have been reaching for a weapon.

The rifleman was withdrawn from combat pending the results of the investigation, but the graphic footage enraged many, months after the scandal over US troops' abuse of inmates at the Abu Ghraib prison.

CBS News said Wednesday it had learned that military investigators had concluded insufficient evidence existed to formally charge the marine.

The raid on Fallujah, part of an attempt at reclaiming key lawless enclaves across the country ahead of January elections, has been the largest military operation in Iraq since the March 2003.

48 posted on 02/23/2005 4:49:10 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

Thank GOD, how great. Right decision. Bump him up a grade.


49 posted on 02/23/2005 4:53:51 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: TexKat

Good news.

It is about time that folks learn that going to war, includes killing the enemy.

I wish they would let the men and women fight the war to win, and no more of this game playing.


50 posted on 02/23/2005 4:54:23 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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