Posted on 11/19/2004 12:21:47 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak
The author of a House bill giving 600,000 state and local police officers authority to enforce federal immigration law wants the Bush administration to abandon plans to grant guest-worker status to millions of illegal aliens now living and working in the United States.
Rep. Charlie Norwood, Georgia Republican and chief sponsor of the Clear Law Enforcement for Alien Removal Act (CLEAR Act), joined with 21 other House Republicans this week urging President Bush not to grant what they called amnesty to illegal aliens, saying it would be "detrimental to our national and economic security."
"There is absolutely no doubt this nation's immigration system is badly broken and needs repair in the worst way," Mr. Norwood said. "But disregarding the immigration laws already on the books and giving legal status to individuals entering America illegally would only make the problem much worse."
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
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Where is Dingle?
Damn it! Enough is enough.
Rationality from the House of Representatives - who woulda' thunk it.
Will Norwood miss wide right?
Norwood at work for us again!
God bless the real Republicans!
Allright, more Republicans besides just Tancredo getting out there. I do hope that there is a legitimate Republican presidential candidate we can support who takes a stand for secure borders.
Where is Dingle?
Either he had it removed or it fell off on its own.
I will be calling his office, to thank him and offer my support. We almost defeated Specter by making our voice heard. We need to be contacting our GOP representatives (pro-amnesty and anti-amnesty), and remind them that their votes WILL be remembered in 2006.
Dingleberry.................?
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I have researched this before and the problem with his bill is that the state and local law enforcement agencies and associations don't want to enforce immigration law and are opposing this bill. Giving them the authority is one thing...making them enforce it is another matter entirely.
wants the Bush administration to abandon plans to grant guest-worker status to millions of illegal aliens now living and working in the United States
< donning flame-proof suit>...
Under Bush's plan, they would have to undergo criminal background checks and meet certain criteria as it pertains to their employment, basically they would have to be sponsored in the same fashion as legal immigrants are now. They would also pay a $1000 fine for violating the law in the first place. While some may call it a "fee" rather than a fine, I must point out that it will not charged to those who enter legally. Their file would also be "flagged" to indicate that they must go to the end of the line for citizenship behind those that enter legally. Anyone that does not apply for legal status within a certain period of time will be deported if caught. While we must seal our borders to illegals, we also need to know where the current illegals are that are within our borders. We cannot deport every current illegal alien, it is not a feasible solution. We should be content to weed out the worst amongst them and provide this channel for those who merely want to support their families by doing an honest day's labor.
A reasonable argument...which I'm sure won't be appreciated by many.
bttt
Bump for Norwood.
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President Bush calls it a fee, which is an accurate description, because it's not a penalty for breaking the law, it's a surcharge for avoiding the consequences of breaking the law, which include deporatation.
Their file would also be "flagged" to indicate that they must go to the end of the line for citizenship behind those that enter legally.
LOL no they don't. In fact, illegal aliens who qualified for legalization under the Bush plan would have an advantage over law-abiding guest worker applicants by virtue of their illegal job. They would already be matched with an employer.
We cannot deport every current illegal alien, it is not a feasible solution. We should be content to weed out the worst amongst them and provide this channel for those who merely want to support their families by doing an honest day's labor.
Rewarding illegal aliens with legalization always leads to more illegal aliens.
We don't need to deport all of the illegal aliens, we need to put policies in place that encourage self deportation.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA. How is anyone suppose to appreciate anything, since the AHs from both parties have turned large regions of our country into third world like conditions, raping our social services, jobs, jamming our jails, schools and literally choking off our hospitals, all the while, taking our GD money to pay for this utter disaster.
These politicians have lied to our faces, and spent this country into a titanic debt spiral, never before imagined. The people have voted, screamed, wrote their f-ing representitives, protested, boycotted while they have all slammed the door in our faces, while winking and nodding at this epic lawlessness.
I have nothing but brutal contempt for these lying, greedy, cheating, backstabbing son of bitches.
FYI - Charlie Norwood is my Congressman. Charlie is jumping back into action after having a lung transplant performed just a few months ago. Glad to see he's putting the gloves back on.
"But disregarding the immigration laws already on the books and giving legal status to individuals entering America illegally would only make the problem much worse."
Here, here!!
You may contact your rep or Mr. Norwood through www.house.gov
dana, will you put me on your ping list....the eyes are fading and the articles are getting hard to find!!
I can always count on Joe.
Actually, there are quite a few republicans speaking out against this invasion. Did you see this?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1281801/posts
Rumsfeld, Hostettler Warn US Borders at Risk toTerrorism
CNN.com/Lou Dobbs Tonight ^ | Nov. 16, 2004 | Lou Dobbs
Posted on 11/16/2004
DOBBS: Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is warning of the threat of terrorists entering this country through the same routes as those used by illegal aliens. Secretary Rumsfeld, traveling in South America, warned that enemies look for weaknesses and take advantage of them.
DONALD RUMSFELD: The risk is that some of these human-smuggling routes into our country from this hemisphere could be used just as easily for terrorists. ~snip~
REP. JOHN HOSTETTLER (R-IN), CHAIRMAN, SUBCOMMITTEE ON IMMIGRATION AND BORDER SECURITY: : Well, the House will not be taking up in a positive sense guest worker legislation. We know that this is a priority for some in Washington. It is not a priority for the House of Representatives. In fact, those of us in the House that deal closely with the immigration issue believe that we need to go the other way. And that is look at the issue of enforcement and strong enforcement of our immigration laws in order to keep not only more millions of illegal aliens out, but to do something about the 10 plus million that are here now.
HOSTETTLER: Oh, well, this is something that we have been concerned about for years. It is an issue that, as we look at the number of individuals crossing the southern border, referred to as OTMs, or other than Mexicans, that number is rising drastically, because others in the world realize that our southern border is porous. Our men and women in uniform and the Border Patrol are doing everything they can and then some to enforce and strengthen the border. There are just not enough of them. And this is something that there may be some disconnect within the administration..~snip~
Also search by the keywords 'ALIENS' or 'IMMIGRANTLIST', you won't miss a story.
We have a winner!
Bush's plan does not benefit at least 99% of we American citizens...In fact, these legal illegals will likely have an even easier time getting welfare benefits since they won't be making much money...And we, the people have to work to pay for it...
And how many members of their extended families will have amnesty as soon as they can get to the U.S.???
Why would someone (anyone) support such a fiasco when the United States Citizens are guaranteed to lose in the process???
"Why would someone (anyone) support such a fiasco when the United States Citizens are guaranteed to lose in the process???"
Cause the Wall Street wing of the GOP stands to profit.
"Others opposed to the guest-worker program were Reps. Lamar Smith, Sam Johnson and John Culberson of Texas; John Hostettler of Indiana; Nathan Deal of Georgia; Ed Royce, Gary G. Miller and Dana Rohrabacher of California; Tom Tancredo of Colorado; John J. "Jimmy" Duncan Jr. of Tennessee; Roscoe G. Bartlett of Maryland; Kevin Brady of Texas; Robert B. Aderholt of Alabama; Charles W. "Chip" Pickering Jr. of Mississippi; John Sullivan of Oklahoma; J. Gresham Barrett of South Carolina; Barbara Cubin of Wyoming; Sue Myrick and Walter B. Jones of North Carolina; and Steve King of Iowa."
Fee, Fine.....whatever.......if the US gov't intends to become as corrupt as the mexican gov't about allowing criminals to buy their way out of their crimes, let's just call it what it really is......"MORDIDA".
pay them at the current Mexican minimum wage
Well put.
As of now, it seems that our government is somewhat at a stalemate over illegal immigration all the while more illegals keep barging in. IMO, President Bush knows that the House isn't going to pass anything he proposes and yet he will look good to the illegal alien pandering mob and the business community. He's just stalling till 2008 and then he'll just dump this on the next guys lap.
Of course all the while the problem grows.
huh????
Isn't it the way the law reads? In legally or out legally. If laws don't matter anymore, if that's the mindset; stop taxing me.
Now that is a nice new turn of a pharase.
...ANNNNDD, require all immigrants, legal and illegal, to have themselves sterilized: too damn many people!
That's what I've been doing. Thanks.
And many on this forum will laud this as brilliant strategy.
LOL! The world has the same feelings about many others.
Nothing has to be 100% or else 0%. We need to get rid of the drug dealers, the welfare moochers, those who work but can't buy their own health insurance or in other ways are dependent on government handouts like housing subsidies, food stamps, etc --- get rid of all those --- we certainly don't need them -- the few who remain who can support themselves aren't the big problem.
Also permanently ban those felony document fraud criminals who use stolen social security numbers and commit other felony document fraud. We definitely don't need those types either.
You're reduced the vague, leftist style of arguementation quoting "the world" now? My goodness, is there any depth to which you people who want no words spoken ill of Bush on here will stoop to?
Bush's Guest Worker proposal is unjustifiably bad for America. Its all carot and no stick. There is no wiggle room, no positives, no gray area. He has sold out to business interests who simply want the steady supply of cheap labor to keep flowing because they find American workers to expensive.
If you can't handle hearing Bush criticized, avoid these threads, but don't call blatently deceitful rationalizations "A reasonable argument" when you know its not. Why else then would anyone follow up by adopting the liberal style of criticizing ugly Americans by quoting the superior "world"?
Could that be because on some level you already know you are full of it?
Their file would also be "flagged" to indicate that they must go to the end of the line for citizenship behind those that enter legally.
Total lie, where do you get this stuff? I have friends from here from counties other than Mexico who have all kinds of trouble getting naturalized, with the Guest Worker program, they get to reapply repeatedly until they are offered eventual citizenship, (Duh, that's why everyone is calling it "Amnesty" despite Bush's protests) the only way out is if they commit a felony, and even that isn't addressed in this myopic plan if they have anchor babies.
While we must seal our borders to illegals
I'm sorry, where was this addressed in Bush's plan? Could you site a link? Of course not.
We should be content to weed out the worst amongst them and provide this channel for those who merely want to support their families by doing an honest day's labor.
Ahhh the old Cheap Labor stand by. Well, people are waking up that this easy answer for everything by the Wall Street Journal crowd is flawed, because these jobs cost some American. I think Bush, with Asa Hutchinson's Don't Ask Don't Tell immigration policy has invented the term "jobless recovery" by virtue of these Americans getting forgotten, this "honest day's work" has come at the expense of American's hoping to have an honest day's work but not willing to work for Mexico's rates. Since they are paying for labor so cheaply, of course the families are on welfare, which is again squeezing the American people. Nothing in Bush's plan addresses these unintended consequences, and no one wants to listen because they all have their fingers in the Cheap Labor pie.
"Path of least resistance" come to mind.
I'm sure the Romans thought the same thing about their borders right before the Goths came a knocking.
You're right. Eliminate the freebies. Enforce existing immigration law. They'll go home.
Do you mean the ones we elected to represent America (and don't)? They are beneath contempt.
Yawn. If you can't handle my posts, avoid them because I'm not avoiding any thread I want to visit.
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