Posted on 11/20/2004 11:51:36 AM PST by UpHereEh
During the past US Presidential election - and since, the American Left went out of its way to demonize President George W Bush.
Their most important reason to oust Bush from having four more years was the way he acted unilaterally in global issues.
The mantra from the Left was simple: Vote for Kerry and he will reestablish America's relationships with our old allies such as France and Germany.
Elect John Kerry and he will reestablish America's prestige with the United Nations.
But . . . reelect George W Bush. And America will be assured to continue going it alone.
To the American Left, it appeared that what the UN and Old Europe had to say about American and world policy, was somehow more important than what Americans had to say about American and world policy.
I am ceratin, without a doubt, that Kerry's remarks about passing a global test did far more for his popularity in Europe and at the UN, than it did for him in the USA.
And now that the American Senate sub committee investigating the Iraqi Oil For Food Program has unveiled a horror-story of international corruption, Bush is looking all that much better. And Kerry is looking all that much more irrelevant.
Here's the bottom-line as I see it:
It was not George W Bush and his inner "war team" (Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rice) who were responsible for having to invade Iraq: it was the UN, France and all the others who cheated, aided and abetted Saddam Hussein.
When the story began to break about some kind of scandal with the program that allowed Saddam to sell oil in exchange for food and medical supplies, I thought it was just the usual. You know; a handful of crooked politicians beating the system for a "few" bucks.
But now, it appears that the "few" bucks are more than $21 BILLION. And that's only what we know about.
We can't even begin to guess how much Saddam kicked-back in return.
The US Senate is demanding to see the UN files. They want to see the receipts for the oil. Who got what. And under which circumstances. They want to know who was bribed. And who violated the International Sanctions everyone agreed upon.
The whole idea of the sanctions and the embargo was to choke Saddam into submission, and to make certain he couldn't be a military threat to anyone. But it didn't work. Not just because Saddam cheated. But because the UN and their pals did.
The demand from the US Senate for the UN to turn over the documents has been directly refused by Kofi Anan. I wonder why?
So, when the UN and their pals were accusing George W Bush and his embargo policy of committing infanticide in Iraq, by withholding food and medicine due to the embargo, nothing could have been further from the truth.
And the worst part: The accusers knew it.
Iraq was awash with money. But not the money they were supposed to have received. And not any money that went towards the comfort of the people. Starving children included. Iraq had vaults overflowing with blood-money from the UN and Old Europe.
It is clear why the UN and their putrid pals routinely voted against their own resolution to take action against Saddam Hussein. They were paid off.
Had the UN, France and the others not betrayed the USA, the world, and the Iraqi people: America, Britain, Australia, Poland, the Czech Republic, Italy, Spain and others would not have had to invade Iraq.
Had the sanctimonious UN and France not sold-out honor, principles and morality for a "few" bucks from a genocidal maniac, Americans and their allies would not have died on the Iraqi battlefields.
I never disagreed; not even once, with George W Bush's position on the irrelevance of the UN. I never once questioned in my own mind what the motives were for France to be so supportive of Saddam. I didn't know what was in it for France. But I knew it had to be something. And now we all know.
For all the Leftists and doubters who supported John Kerry's position on multilateralism, you have to be shaking your heads in disbelief and betrayal. Not that Kerry knew the truth. But that Kerry put so much faith in a world full of cheats, rather than in his own country.
Every time an American, and/or coalition soldier is wounded or killed. Thank the UN, France and their friends. Every time you see how enormous the US deficit is because of the cost of the war. Thank the UN, France and their friends. Every time American social services are at financial risk. Thank the UN, France and their friends.
And the next time someone says the USA should follow the lead of Paris. Or wait for approbation from Paris. Think about the Oil For Food Scam, the Hungry Iraqi kids. And the dead coalition soldiers.
And if after all of this, if Kerry supporters and Bush antagonists don't take a moment to reflect on how tragic it would have been for the US to have a global appeaser in the White House. I don't know what else I can say to them.
Because at this juncture, with all we know now, there is nothing more to say.
By Howard Galganov
Saturday, November 20, 2004
intresting.... you wouldn't be from Canada Eh?
Like the tip of an iceberg.
The axis of corruption France, Germany and the UN, have indeed been responsible for the death of many innocents.
Excellent. I couldn't have said it better myself.
No way. You have the command over these men and women wearing the US patch, and you are responsible for their actions. For Germany, I refuse any responsibility for what happened in Iraq since March 2003. Period.
Why does the U.S. continue to play Mr Nice Guy with these countries (and the UN)?
That's pretty accusatory given the way France, Germany and the UN have been acting since late 2002. The point was their corruption forced us to go to war though we only realized that since. And bribe money from those countries (and the UN) has been used by insurgents and terrorists in Iraq, too.
I agree with your post and as I have said before when the UN rep called for an International Court of Inquiry for the actions of the young Marine who killed the enemy terrorist. ( Wounded or not, I don't give a damn. The Marine had to make the call, he made it. War is Hell Semper Fi)
I would rather go to WAR with the world before one US Soldier, Sailor, Marine or Coastguardsman stnds before an International Court. The people responsible for this WAR are on the long list Gangsters, murderers and thieves... who accepted the kickbacks from the Oil for FOOD Program. They are the reason the Sactions Failed. The people that should be before an International Court are Kofi Annan, Chirac ...... These were my feelings last week, and I am very happy that you have come to the same conclusion.
It would be great if you as a person could actually do something about decisions made by the governing body.
Annan and Chirac must be seething in hatred of Pres. Bush now that Saddam is no longer able to send millions in protection money.
You still need to explain what the oil for food scandal (money that went from Iraq to Iraq, btw, in case you haven't understood yet how the system worked) has to do with the WMD the Pentagon was sure Iraq had. I thought that's why there are coalition troops in Iraq.
Also I don't see what Germany has to do with all that, considering Germany was not involved in the scandal according to the Duelfer report, as opposed to many American companies.
Sorry, but I disagree that the opposing countries forced the US to wage the war. It was rather you feeling the need to act, but that´s nothing you can blame the governments of other countries for. They said - for economic (France, Russia) or political (Germany) reasons - "No" and you ran into combat. There was no delay because of the discussions in NY, there´s is no blame for the start of the war for the opportunists.
And, Norman, please explain your claim that bribe money from the axis of weasels has been used by terrorists in Iraq.
Evad, I think the war was necessary, but I respect that others are isolationists and refuse to liberate others. Also, it is not France, Germany or the UN who are responsible for the deads in Iraq, but definitely it´s the terrorists who actually committ crimes. You also don´t say that the girl being raped is responsible for it, do you?
Thanks for your support of truth. It´s so easy to add Germany to France & the UN, given it´s opposition of the war - even though the reasons were completely different. In France and Russia, there were economic interests, in Germany, Schröder seeked re-election and would have never got it if he supported the war.
I would call the White House and tell them that we could place the death of every American soldier at the feet of france, Russia, China and the U.N.
In the sense that they propped up Saddam during the 90s and up until 2003, yes they DID "force" us to go to war.
The "reasons" you cite by the opposition to the war are treacherous reasons considering what was at stake and what those "financial reasons" actually were. Giving into that sort of appeasement is the same reason why the U.S. and its allies had to confront the Nazis in WWII. Oh and Schröder's "political" reasons were hardly honorable considering what was at stake.
"Ran into combat"? Not to my mind. Should we have waited for the appeasers to come around instead??
If the world would have stood united against Saddam things may have been different.
We know now why they didn't want the war.....MONEY!!!
Of course not but the analogy is apples and oranges.
What I say is that the US acted out of self defense in fighting a terrorist enemy that plagues everyone. In doing so you would think her "allies" would help, as did the British, but instead they acted as a hinderance. Those allies are specifically the French and German governments of whom I have the utmost distain and distrust.
It wouldn't be as bad if these governments had acted out of their own national interests but instead they acted out of greed, pure and simple greed.
Incidentally, out of the two, the most disappointing was the German government. The French, well, they're just acting French and doing what they always do. But I actually expected better from the Germans.
Just out of curiosity, did you ever get a chance to read Bill Gertz's book, Treachery?
In your own way Michael you have arrived at the truth with that statement.
You have exposed the difference between a leader who follows conviction and principle and a slimy politician who only acts in his self interest, aka greed.
Like I said, the most disappointing ally was the German ally.
please specify in regard to Germany.
So who "popped up" Saddam and which GOVERNMENTS approved so? It wasn´t Germany.
I could ask, WHAT posed the "immediate threat" to the US, that you felt the need to act?
For me, there is no legitimate action against Iraq because of its arms, but only because Saddam was an evil dictator terrorizing its people. Everyone who claims that there were reasons like pre-emptive action in self-defense, etc, has to prove it (which he cannot).
Therefore, it´s a legitimate position NOT to join the war, as well as fighting against Iraq - it depends where you set the priorities.
Yes, evad, Schröder may have been the most disappointing, but I could blame it all on Bush that we in Germany have to deal with him until 2006. It was clear that his Red-Green coalition would never support a THIRD war within 4 years (1999 Kosovo, 2001 Afghanistan), so I hoped that Bush waited with the preparations for the war until October 2002. Instead, he started with his verbal propaganda in July - just perfectly in the mid of our election campaign and giving Schröder the issue he needed to unite the Germans behind him saying "No blood for oil". Well, just IF Bush had waited 3 more months, we had a new government and our governments would not have had the difficulties they had. We all have our disappointments...
Incidentally, the Germans and French weren't the only ones to desert us in our time of need. The Turks f*ck'd us too. Their failure to allow us to invade Iraq from the North and provide the much needed pincer attack is one big reason why we have all the problems in Iraq today.
NO Michael, I'm afraid when the great muslim hordes finally infest your country or whatever ill befalls it, you'll have to go it on your own. Don't call US, we'll just sit back and watch and pontificate about how your problem doesn't pass the "global test".
Evad, there is only one proof for the war: Saddam Hussein. Toppling down him is the only legitimate reason for sending thousands of Iraqis over the Jordan and a dozen hundreds of American sons and daughters to after-life. Therefore, don´t reproach my country of being responsible for just one of your killed soldiers. We are not, and I take this very personally, since I consider each and everyone standing down there in Iraq to fight for liberty as my comrade.
Get back to my original post on this thread which I will repeat..
"The axis of corruption, France, Germany and the UN, have indeed been responsible for the death of many innocents"
As just one example, you cannot deny that the oil for food scam in which Germany was a very willing conspirator has led to untold misery, suffering and death to the Iraqi people. You need to face up to these facts and exert influence on your government to find a way that it can return to some type of favor with the US.
As it is right now, you don't have it and someday you're going to need it.
Don't take this wrong but..which side are you referring to?
Be careful with your words. You are VERY OFFENSIVE for someone who speaks to a German with friends in the US Army.
Btw, tell me more about the German participation in the oil for food scandal. I for one haven´t found anything that draws a connection between my country and this scandal. The French, yes, the Russians, sure, the UN administration, yeah, several US citizens, right, but Germany? Look it up!
My apologies..with all your rhetoric you were starting to sound like the democrat spinmeisters that we deal with here on a daily basis. They too speak the party line regardless of fact and after a while it gets tiresome listening to them.
I'm not aware of your friends or their whereabouts and I'm not even sure what this remark implied but I found it VERY OFFENSIVE..
Saddam Hussein. Toppling down him is the only legitimate reason for sending thousands of Iraqis over the Jordan and a dozen hundreds of American sons and daughters to after-life
So, be sure you choose you words carefully when addressing those of us who have lost thousands and have sent their treasure to fight an enemy that threatens us all.
At any rate, this will be my last post on this thread. You get the last word, if you choose.
Well, I don´t have much to say by now, except, that I´m still waiting for the German part in the oil for food scandal, since there is none - according to my sources. Looks like you are in a corner...
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