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Persecuted Christians
telegraph.co.uk ^ | 20/11/2004 | opinion.telegraph

Posted on 11/20/2004 7:52:12 PM PST by Destro

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To: Destro
Please see: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?m=any;o=score;s=Citizens%20mobilized%20to%20stop%20ACLU%20%28seeks%20to%20consign%20group%20to%20%27ash%20heap%20of%20history%27%29 THere is a way we can fight back!
21 posted on 11/20/2004 8:38:24 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

The Serbs fought back and the forces of the anti-Christ sent his minions after them.


22 posted on 11/20/2004 8:39:11 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
Yes...but it is not actually a work of fiction but a story told in key...so that the characters can, with a key, be identified...

read the reviews and biography (online) of Father Martin...all that will help you know the man before you read what he had to say...

23 posted on 11/20/2004 8:41:43 PM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Destro
I should say that my faith is in Jesus...

of course it is faith because I have (not do I need) any proof.

Proof would destroy the power of faith.

Faith is that which a wife has in an honest husband...

Proof is that which is sought by a lawyer or an accountant.

Jesus is honest...no audit is needed.

If this is not true...we are all in deep trouble...but, thank God, there is truth in this world and the world to come.

24 posted on 11/20/2004 8:46:31 PM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Cindy

Ping.


25 posted on 11/20/2004 8:58:15 PM PST by HipShot ("Remember the first rule of gunfighting... have a gun." --Colonel Jeff Cooper)
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To: Spanaway Lori

Once again, people confuse Catholicism with Christianity. Come on, people, think...


26 posted on 11/20/2004 9:01:16 PM PST by Righter-than-Rush
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To: happygrl

Was there ever an African Pope before?


27 posted on 11/20/2004 11:10:20 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
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To: Taggart_D
I was real disgusted with the statement from the Pope about the death of Yasar Arafat.I don't know if the words came out of the popes mouth but who ever said them should be slapped.It was bad enough that the media turned him into a saint and the politicians,especially France praised him as a real hero fighting for peace.The sad part is if Bin Laden were to play the politician and continue to kill behind the scenes like Arafat he would get the same treatment.
28 posted on 11/21/2004 1:15:57 AM PST by rdcorso (Did I mention I was in Vietnam where I lost my backbone? Spineless John)
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To: Destro
"We must defend religious freedom against the imposition of an ideology that is being presented as if it were the only voice of rationality, whereas it is only the expression of a narrow rationalism."

I'm not Catholic, but this is right on the money. The churches - Catholic and Protestant alike - sometimes invite their own marginalization by allowing themselves to be driven by feeling and emotion rather than truth. The seeker-sensitive movement and contemporary Christian music are perfect examples of a religion reshaped in the image of man, built on the shifting sand of human taste rather than the firm rock of God's Word.

That is one fact that bolsters these secularists' smug a priori assumptions that they are the purveyors of ultimate truth.

29 posted on 11/21/2004 6:11:42 AM PST by Lexinom (Please say a prayer for Josiah - a 12-year-old boy with brain cancer)
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To: Lexinom
We must defend religious freedom against the imposition of an ideology

Wrong. We are to defend the Gospel of Jesus. Jesus told us to go and preach the Gospel to all nations, and to be willing to suffer and die for His name.

No where does the Bible tell us to defend or fight for 'religious freedom'. It is a misapplication of our lives to fight for our 'rights'. Those who fight for their 'right' will crumble spiritually once their 'rights' are taken away. Jesus said, "Bless are you when you are persecuted for My Name's sake."

30 posted on 11/21/2004 8:54:10 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: Ptarmigan

Do you by African mean Black? North Africa is still part of Africa and produced great Christian Fathers.


31 posted on 11/21/2004 10:49:21 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: happygrl

bttt


32 posted on 11/21/2004 10:56:49 AM PST by cyborg
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To: Destro

Yes, I was wonder if there were Black African Popes? I know North Africa has produced great Christian leaders and thinkers like St. Augustine.


33 posted on 11/21/2004 10:57:16 AM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
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To: Destro; Ptarmigan

The African Popes

Pope Saint Victor 1 (189-199 CE) A North African, Victor was the fifteenth pope. He is buried near the body of the apostle Peter, the first pope, in St. Peter's Basilica in Vatican City. His feast day is July 28th.

Pope Saint Miliades 1 (311-314 CE) Not much is known of Miliades, who was born in Africa but died in Rome. He is buried on the famous Appian Way. His feast day is December 10th.

Pope Saint Gelasius 1 (492-496 CE) Born in Rome of African parents, Gelasius was a member of the Roman clergy from youth. Reportedly the most active of African popes, working to exile the Manicheans and pagans, and is author of a famous letter to the Byzantine emperor, Anastasias. His feast day is November 21st.


34 posted on 11/21/2004 10:57:58 AM PST by cyborg
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To: Ptarmigan

If you are absing it on race/color - then as far as I know there has never been a black Pope in Rome. The patriarchs of Alexandria are also called Popes and have been since Apostolic times but their popes were mostly Alexandrians so not blacks there as well.


35 posted on 11/21/2004 11:00:11 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Righter-than-Rush

Oh PLEASE!!!!!!!!! LOL


36 posted on 11/21/2004 11:00:34 AM PST by cyborg
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To: cyborg

He does not mean "African" but "Black". Pope Victor was a Latin of North Africa - the other two Popes were Greeks from North Africa.


37 posted on 11/21/2004 11:01:49 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

Oh OK. Somehow I kind of thought there was a Black pope. I have heard that St. Augustine may have some had Black ancestry in him.


38 posted on 11/21/2004 11:02:00 AM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
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To: Ptarmigan

There is a tendancy to think in modern times that African = Black.


39 posted on 11/21/2004 11:02:57 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

It doesn't matter to me, but apparently from what I read it matters to some Catholics in this country. I put the reference page here:
http://www.africana.com/articles/daily/bw20031118pope.asp


40 posted on 11/21/2004 11:03:58 AM PST by cyborg
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