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Again: Chileans Offend Bush
newsmax ^ | 11-21-04

Posted on 11/21/2004 8:46:42 AM PST by LouAvul

Hours after President Bush dove into a fracas to rescue his lead Secret Service agent from a confrontation with Chilean security officials, word surfaced of another security dispute. This time, an elaborate state dinner Sunday night was the casualty.

The dinner planned for Bush and 200 others by Chilean President Ricardo Lagos was reportedly scrapped after Chile was unwilling to accept security measures sought by the U.S. Secret Service, including a demand that all guests pass through metal detectors.

Leading Chilean newspaper El Mercurio reported that the disagreement led Bush and Lagos to instead hold a small "social dinner" with a handful of aides from each side.

On Saturday night, Chilean security barred Bush's bodyguards from accompanying the president into a dinner for Asia-Pacific leaders. As a pushing and shoving match ensued, Bush strode over to the melee, reached into the group and pulled mustachioed agent Nick Trotta out by the lapel and into the dinner.

Trotta has been taking good-natured ribbing for having to be rescued by the man he's charged with protecting.

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Mr. President, come home. If these third-worlders are willing to put you at risk, forget about 'em.
1 posted on 11/21/2004 8:46:42 AM PST by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

I couldn't agree more, Lou.


2 posted on 11/21/2004 8:48:27 AM PST by EggsAckley
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To: LouAvul

Exactly.


3 posted on 11/21/2004 8:49:34 AM PST by Diogenesis
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To: LouAvul

I certainly hope the USSS has taken this seriously. This should have never happened, It really gets me tight to see this cheap crap. It's like they are testing the water's as how far things an be pushed. Don't like it, Just Don't like it!


4 posted on 11/21/2004 8:51:15 AM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: LouAvul
"Bush strode over to the melee, reached into the group and pulled mustachioed agent Nick Trotta out by the lapel and into the dinner. "

could you IMAGINE any leftist like clinton, kerry, kennedy, etc having the guts and sense to simply go over there and ACT DECISEVELY?

They would have run off screaming and cowering begging kofi for international aid.
5 posted on 11/21/2004 8:51:44 AM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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To: Diogenesis

Trotta has been taking good-natured ribbing for having to be rescued by the man he's charged with protecting.

Wow...talk about a story to tell everyone back home...


6 posted on 11/21/2004 8:53:10 AM PST by the lone highschooler (this is THE tagline)
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To: steplock
He acted in a preemptive and unilateral manner.
7 posted on 11/21/2004 8:54:05 AM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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To: Max Combined
He acted in a preemptive and unilateral manner.

...Now where have I heard that before?

Shouldn't he have gone to the UN for global approval before rescuing his SS agent?

8 posted on 11/21/2004 8:58:02 AM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: LouAvul

There's something that should be stated clearly on one of these threads.

When the Free Trade Agreement of the Americas (FTAA) is completely implemented, these yahoo nations in Central and South America will be given the right to help determine our nation's policies.

The FTAA is the second step toward something the equivelant of the E.U., only it will be the A.U.

People better start waking up and speaking out in objection to this nonsense. Our nation's interests are best determined by the citizens of the United States, not some trade or governance tribunal filled 90% by people who do not answer to us in any manor.


9 posted on 11/21/2004 9:01:28 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: LouAvul
On Saturday night, Chilean security barred Bush's bodyguards from accompanying the president into a dinner for Asia-Pacific leaders. As a pushing and shoving match ensued, Bush strode over to the melee, reached into the group and pulled mustachioed agent Nick Trotta out by the lapel and into the dinner.
Can you imagine a Clinton or a Kerry even caring enough to know that one of their security detal were in trouble, let alone "rescue" him personally?

I love our president. And if all the world hates you, you must be doing something right.
10 posted on 11/21/2004 9:02:22 AM PST by Asclepius (protectionists would outsource our dignity and prosperity in return for illusory job security)
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To: LouAvul

11 posted on 11/21/2004 9:02:37 AM PST by FreedomFarmer (Time to hunt socialist ork!)
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To: LouAvul

Ok - I'll put my tin foil hat on. But attempts to interfere with security arrangements for the President worry me and make me deeply suspicious.


12 posted on 11/21/2004 9:03:40 AM PST by Enterprise (The left hates the Constitution. Islamic Fascism hates America. Natural allies.)
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To: LouAvul

1) Chile has been drifting left.
2) They had an estimated 40,000 protestors in the street over the last few days.
3) These street protestors focused on Bush in their shouts and signs.
4) How could anyone in the Chilean government not be worried over security at a dinner or social mixer?
5) If the Chileans wouldn't allow a metal detector to be put in place, they must not be concerned over security.

Screw 'em.

Hoppy


13 posted on 11/21/2004 9:10:26 AM PST by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: 26lemoncharlie
Statement: "...It's like they are testing the water's as how far things an be pushed...."

Response: The Third Worlders smell a kill. I had one little hispanic lawyerette tell me "We are taking over."

Comment: Love, tolerance, the big tent, room at the table, discussion, debate, expression of different points of view, equality, equal opportunity are all symptoms of our decrepitude, such ideas are not manifestations of life and growth.

14 posted on 11/21/2004 9:13:41 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
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To: Asclepius
Kerry would have reprimanded the security guard for embarrassing him by taking the attention off of him....Bush is the man!
15 posted on 11/21/2004 9:15:24 AM PST by ladiesview61
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To: LouAvul

You are walking on the fighting side of a Texan, when you pick on his body guard-fools!!!! A Texans bodyguard is for your protection. What part of "Don't mess with Texas", do you idiots not understand??????


16 posted on 11/21/2004 9:17:00 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Hey, you still in the womb! If you trust Specter with your life-raise your inocent little hands.)
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To: Diogenesis

It does have an odd smell, don't it?


17 posted on 11/21/2004 9:19:29 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Enterprise

You're not the only one with the tin foil. I had the same suspicion


18 posted on 11/21/2004 9:20:20 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: 26lemoncharlie

I believe these piss-ant countries would never push this far without the open support of ex-presidents and elected officials who attack George W. Bush viciously in public, before world organizations. Count Jimmah "Peace With Terrorists" Carter, Bubba Clinton, and Teddy "Can She Float" Kennedy among these back-stabbing, traitorous men.


19 posted on 11/21/2004 9:24:40 AM PST by Libertina (We praise You Lord, You have granted America a Christian leader!)
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To: the lone highschooler

I have watched Trotta and other Secret Service agents guard and watch over President Bush, especially during the campaign. They not only do a terrific job, the love the guy. Just look at their faces, how focused they are when he is out shaking hands and such. The eyes and facial features tell the whole story.


20 posted on 11/21/2004 9:24:50 AM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: LouAvul

Security details for events like this are put in place months in advance of the events. Too many questions...did Chile pledge security and then pull it?

How about the leaders from the other countries (Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, China, Chinese Hong Kong, Indonesia, Japan, South Korea, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Peru, Philippines, Russia, Singapore, Chinese Taipei, Thailand, Vietnam)? Did they agree that 200 others be let in without proper security precautions?

I think Chile tried to pull a fast one.


21 posted on 11/21/2004 9:25:51 AM PST by debg
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To: ladiesview61

Kerry would have told his BG-"IT'S EVERY MAN FOR HIMSELF-AH-I-i-I-I-E-E-E!!!!!!" And to the Chilean Gestapho, "Do you know whose husband I am-Te-e-e-e-e-e-s-a-a-a-a-a-h-h-h-h-h-h!!!!!!!!!!!"


22 posted on 11/21/2004 9:28:42 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Hey, you still in the womb! If you trust Specter with your life-raise your inocent little hands.)
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To: MeekOneGOP

Ping


23 posted on 11/21/2004 9:29:49 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Libertina

They all want to replace our Constitutional Republic with their Socialist agenda. Just like FRANCE!!!


24 posted on 11/21/2004 9:30:49 AM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: LouAvul
As a pushing and shoving match ensued, Bush strode over to the melee, reached into the group and pulled mustachioed agent Nick Trotta out by the lapel and into the dinner.

You gotta love this President.

With that said, he needs to get the hell out of there if they dont take his security seriously.

25 posted on 11/21/2004 9:32:39 AM PST by No Blue States
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To: Fiddlstix
Repost my earlier comment on another thread:

I keep thinking of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.



26 posted on 11/21/2004 9:33:52 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: debg

" I think Chile tried to pull a fast one."

Before I can offer a response, a little more clarification is in order.


27 posted on 11/21/2004 9:34:35 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Hey, you still in the womb! If you trust Specter with your life-raise your inocent little hands.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
"Sovereignty is sustained through the barrel of a gun."
28 posted on 11/21/2004 9:37:31 AM PST by Thumper1960 ("It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed."-V.I.Lenin)
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To: DoughtyOne
The U.S.-Chile Free Trade Agreement: An Early Record of Success

After thirteen years of bilateral conversations and two of negotiations, the U.S. – Chile Free Trade Agreement entered into force on January 1, 2004. On that date, tariffs on 90% of U.S. exports to Chile and 95% of Chilean exports to the United States were eliminated. Chile is currently ranked as the 36th largest export market for the United States.

U.S. Exports to Chile


29 posted on 11/21/2004 9:37:36 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: LouAvul
The SS are the guys that will willing take a bullet for the Prez... Any less from the Prez would have been ungrateful..

The real story is this is unusual. Few other presidents, if any at all, would have done this.. its so apolitical.. Cudos to the shrub...

Maybe I've been a little too hard on the man that carries Alfred E. Neumans likeness.. I'm willing to take it all back some of the things I've said.. If he turns into a junk yard dog in the Capitol.. Cause if one thing is needed in the next four years in the Capitol. The democrats must get mauled.. and savaged like a burgular in the living room.. If he sends Laura to do it, thats OK too, but that would make him a junk yard CAT...

By the way, what ever happened to Sandy Burgular..?
Is he in JAIL YET.?...

30 posted on 11/21/2004 9:46:10 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: LouAvul

What about the advance work? What I can't understand is why that wasn't all handled well in advance of Bush's going there. Typically, all the detail is ironed out by the security personnel from both countriese. It seems there has been a major lapse in presiential security that is unacceptable and it can't ALL be placed at the feet of the Chileans. If they had refused this level of security during the planning sessions, the trip could have been canceled, without this big brouhaha.


31 posted on 11/21/2004 9:48:00 AM PST by EDINVA (a FReeper in PJ's beats a CBS anchor in a suit every time)
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To: 1rudeboy

An agreement with a single state isn't the same as an agreement that sets up a body of governance between multiple states.

Trade is good as long as it is beneficial to both states, but more importantly to our nation.


32 posted on 11/21/2004 9:51:47 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: hosepipe

Oh yea. Sandy Burgular. This guys name should posted daily & often. Justice must be served.


33 posted on 11/21/2004 9:55:43 AM PST by Digger
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To: EDINVA

I agree. I would have thought all of the protocol would have been worked out in excruciating detail in advance.


34 posted on 11/21/2004 10:00:19 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: LouAvul

I agree, if Chili wants to see the end of themselves, if they are that suicidal to risk the life of our popular president then they are obviously insane and need to be delt with in another manner more suiting their mental derangment.

The idiots need to realize they are in the same hemisphere, Americans can mobilize in a nano second and head their way, flags flying, and very determined to attain payback.


36 posted on 11/21/2004 10:04:53 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: steplock
Last night when I picked up Bush 'retrieving " his top secret service man from a crowd of guards 'Chilian',
I emailed everyone on my list and said 'What a MAN'.

He didn't call the authorities or call an aide, he just went into what could have been a dangerous group and pulled HIS man out. Turned shrugged his shoulders and walked up and shook some one's hand.

This group were ,so they say, people who could have been dangerous to the gathering of V.I.P.s from many countries.

Do you realize any one of those not being admitted could have had a gun a knife or some weapon that may have caused injury to our president.

Talk about bravery he just has it!!!

The fracas was on T.V. all morning and Fox is still
showing it.If you haven't seen it, you have missed a real sight.

Frannie
37 posted on 11/21/2004 10:06:00 AM PST by frannie (I REPEAT --THE TRUTH WILL SET US ALL FREE--)
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To: LouAvul

It is worrisome. Still, Lots of good can come from this. I imagine the bond between He and his security is tighter then ever. HE showed more regard for them then his own saftey...I'm feeling prouder then ever. :)


38 posted on 11/21/2004 10:11:54 AM PST by Treasa
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To: DoughtyOne
There's something that should be stated clearly on one of these threads. When the Free Trade Agreement of the Americas (FTAA) is completely implemented, these yahoo nations in Central and South America will be given the right to help determine our nation's policies.

Clearly stated on this thread: All specifics of a treaty must be passed by congress, signed off by the president before it becomes law. The yahoos to our south have NOT been given any legal right to determine or nations policies.

39 posted on 11/21/2004 10:12:46 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: LouAvul; DoughtyOne
Mr. President, come home. If these third-worlders are willing to put you at risk, forget about 'em.

You couldn't be more wrong with your statement about "third-worlders."


Phelps Dodge
link to south American Mines. Check out Chile.

Phelps Dodge is an American international mineral resource and industrial manufacturing company with a proud history dating from 1834.

I could type all day about global industrialization however time is limited today. So I will give you one more tip.


PCU or Southern Peru Copper Corp

Div & Yield: $3.298 (7.04%)

The past few years have been very good for "third-worlders" and investors. Those dividends pay many 401k's maybe yours.

The question is what was the Bush message to Chile?

One more thing:
Let's take a look at why mining stock are up.


Debt limit to rise to $8.18 trillion!

Dollar's declining value economists and budget hawks fear that rising deficits are contributing to the steadily declining value of the dollar, which will increase consumer costs, and that those deficits eventually will drive up interest rates and slow the economy.


U.S. Government Reaches $7.38 Trillion Debt Limit (Update2)

Snip:
Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan and Snow have both called in the past for Congress to eliminate the debt ceiling, noting lawmakers determine the amount of debt that must be sold when they approve government spending measures.

WOW! Great Idea Alan...NOT!

Well, it looks like the spending will continue and copper and gold will rise and your dollar will buy less. However it is all part of the business cycle and if your invested correctly you will be OK.

I will be watching Congress looking for whispers of spending controls.

Happy Investing...

40 posted on 11/21/2004 10:21:26 AM PST by Major_Risktaker
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To: LouAvul
Well, the Cubans murdered Chlean President Allende and tried to make it look like we did it. I guess they could do the same to Lagos and try to make it look like we did it, as well.

There is only one thing to do, "UNLEASH PINOCHET!!"

41 posted on 11/21/2004 10:42:11 AM PST by Tacis (Kerry - You Can't Make A Silk Purse Out Of A Lazy, Lying, Elitist Scumbag!)
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To: LouAvul
The arrangements, especially security, which have surrounded Presidential visits abroad have long rankled local host countries. There are several reasons for this. First the high handed attitude of the security service who view themselves as the creme de la creme of security service operations and who have come to demonstrate and tell the local rubes how it should be done. Secondly, the advance party for these visits is on a size, scale and level of detail not seen since D-Day. Huge 747's loaded with equipment, armored cars and telecommunication gadgets arrive days before the visit is scheduled to start and the staff coming with this arrival of extravagant back up demand and expect instant cooperation from local authorities to their every request. Finally, the secret service insists on packing heat to every venue even though in many cases the laws of the country being visited do not allow it.
The Secret Service has, in many respects, grown to develop an attitude and culture somewhat akin to the State Dept and the CIA. After all, who would dare deny them any resource that they request if they frame it in terms of being essential to protect the life of the President?
This "arrogance" can lead to active antagonism with local security forces if not diplomatically handled.
I guess in Chile, it wasn't.
42 posted on 11/21/2004 10:43:00 AM PST by finnigan2
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To: FreeReign

As previously stated, the FTAA is merely a stepping stone to an American Union. You don't have to buy into that. I don't really care.

The FTAA will itself give other nations through it's governing body, the ability to affect everything from tax policies to employment practices to health and safety issues.

Yes our Congress does have to sign off on this. Unfortunately, it has shown it's proclivity to parcel away self-governance on a number of occassions.


43 posted on 11/21/2004 10:43:33 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: Major_Risktaker

Thank you for the post.


44 posted on 11/21/2004 10:48:39 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: hosepipe

'Cudos to the shrub...'

How very DU of you, BTW it's Kudos dolt.


45 posted on 11/21/2004 10:58:54 AM PST by xone
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To: Asclepius

Adds a whole new meaning to "Don't Mess With Texas".


46 posted on 11/21/2004 11:08:44 AM PST by BARLF
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To: Enterprise
Ok - I'll put my tin foil hat on. But attempts to interfere with security arrangements for the President worry me and make me deeply suspicious.

Then I would have to wear that tin foil too. Some thing's not right in Chile and I'll be glad when W's back on American soil

47 posted on 11/21/2004 11:12:30 AM PST by clamper1797 (VA-93 --- CVA-41 Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72-73)
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To: LouAvul
Chilean leftists are unacquainted with testosterone, and far less with "Tex-tosterone".
48 posted on 11/21/2004 11:14:52 AM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: clamper1797
Some thing's not right in Chile and I'll be glad when W's back on American soil

I agree. They seem to be going out of their way to interfere with the President's security, and expose him to possible harm.

49 posted on 11/21/2004 11:16:07 AM PST by GreenHornet
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To: xone
[ How very DU of you, BTW it's Kudos dolt. ]

your Barney Fifeness,, I like Cudos..
Never been to "DU", ...... YOU?....

Well thats your one bullet.. MISSED.. NYAH...

50 posted on 11/21/2004 11:18:08 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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