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Jobs rotate in rumor mill Lieberman key to possible changes [Joe: Homeland Security Secty?]
News-Times [Danbury CT] ^ | Nov 21, 2004 | Fred Lucas

Posted on 11/21/2004 8:52:02 AM PST by Mike Fieschko

2004-11-21
Jobs rotate in rumor mill
Lieberman key to possible changes for state, local politicians
By Fred Lucas

THE NEWS-TIMES

Joseph Lieberman
It's a political rumor with a twist. In fact, several twists, turns and flips.

It's a scenario that runs from Washington, D.C., to Danbury City Hall. From the Department of Homeland Security to the Connecticut state Senate.

It has local Republicans buzzing, e-mails flying and lukewarm denials rolling off the tongues of intrigued politicians.

And it's too good not to share.

It goes something like this:

Connecticut Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman, a Democrat, could be named secretary of the Department of the Homeland Security, a department he helped to create.

This would leave an open U.S. Senate seat. The buzz is that Republican Gov. M. Jodi Rell would name U.S. Rep. Nancy Johnson, R-5th Dist., to fill out Lieberman's Senate term.

That would leave an open U.S. House seat. A special election would be held, and observers are licking their chops over a possible free-for-all among local up-and-coming pols.

Nancy Johnson

Possible candidates? Danbury Mayor Mark Boughton and state Sen. David Cappiello, according to GOP whispers.

"It's been out there," one high-powered Connecticut Republican said of the multi-part rumor. But, like the others, this former GOP office holder said he's not in the loop enough to know what's true and what's just post-election gossip.

Among the people who have heard it through the grapevine is state Rep. David Scribner, R-Brookfield.

"I have had conversations with people over the past few days about a number of scenarios," said Scribner, a possible state Senate candidate should Sen. Andrew Roraback of Goshen — whose district includes Brookfield and New Milford — run for the congressional seat. "I don't like to spend time thinking about hypotheticals," Scribner said.

But plenty of others are eager to yak about the possibilities — off the record, of course. The Lieberman scenario is also mentioned on YourNews2.com, a conservative Web log about Connecticut politics.

Again, let it be clear: There are no hard facts here. Many consider the chain of events implausible. But not impossible.

After all, President Bush's cabinet is undergoing a major overhaul. Among others, Secretary of State Colin Powell stepped down last week. Some very serious pundits thought Lieberman might be in line for that job, but he was passed over.

Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge has not announced his resignation. But Washington insiders believe that's going to happen sometime soon.

Even though Lieberman and Bush are of opposing political parties, Lieberman has supported Bush on most national security issues. Further, it was Lieberman's legislation that created the Homeland Security Department.

In published reports last week, Lieberman said if President Bush made an offer he would have to at least consider it. But he said he doesn't expect an offer.

In an interview last week, a spokeswoman was more definitive. "Nobody has made an offer and the senator does not expect to get an offer," said Lieberman spokeswoman Leslie Phillips. "The senator does plan to run for reelection to the Senate."

A White House spokesman had no comment about what President Bush would do concerning appointments.

"We don't speculate on personnel matters," said White House spokesman Ken Lisaius. "As far as we know, the Department of Homeland Security has not made any announcement and Secretary Ridge has not offered his resignation."

There are reasons for skepticism. For one, Lieberman might not want to serve in a Republican administration — particularly because, as a vice presidential candidate, he ran against Bush in 2000. Also, the Democrats can hardly afford to lose another senator; as it stands, Republicans will hold an 11-seat majority when the new Senate is sworn in.

Despite all of that, the rumors persist. Even former Democratic U.S. Rep. James Maloney of Danbury has heard of the Lieberman-Johnson-etc., scenario.

"On one hand, he would make a great Homeland Security secretary," Maloney said of Lieberman. "He would make a great defense secretary and a great attorney general. But he is not likely to damage the Democratic Party in the Senate."

If Lieberman did leave, Rell is under no obligation to appoint another Democrat to fill out the Senate term. In fact, governors routinely name politicians from their own party in such instances.

So would Johnson — the senior Republican in Connecticut's House delegation and a highly regarded expert on Medicare — be Rell's choice as senator?

The governor's office is not preparing to make an appointment to replace Lieberman any time soon, said Rell spokesman Rich Harris. "We haven't heard anything officially from Washington along those lines at all," Harris said.

As for Johnson?

There's more prestige in being a senator than a member of the House. But Johnson might not want to be a freshman senator with relatively little influence, said some Republicans. Also, Johnson is in line to chair the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee after one more term in the House.

"I won't speculate," said Johnson spokesman Brian Schubert. "Nancy remains focused on her agenda in the House of lower taxes, more jobs, better health care, better schools and cleaner air."

In the Danbury area, the loudest chatter was who might run for Johnson's seat. Cappiello has heard all the rumors, but said he has not taken any steps to raise money for a special election for Congress. That doesn't mean he won't.

"It would be unwise for me to rule anything out before I know the lay of the land," Cappiello said. "It would also be unwise to waste my time and energy on what-ifs."

Boughton isn't taking any action to run for another office, either. Like Cappiello, he isn't ruling it out. "Never say never," Boughton said. "It would depend on when the election is and the timing. I don't know if it would work. There are a lot of considerations."

But he stressed that he's not focused on a special election for Congress. "My number one focus is on the people of Danbury," Boughton said. "I won't make judgments on a hypothetical."

Roraback also said he would "certainly never say never." However, he doubts all the events will unfold according to the speculation. "I am not spending time pondering scenarios I believe to be unlikely," he said.

Maloney said he has taken no action to raise money to run for Congress again himself, but also wouldn't rule it out if the seat opens up. Maloney lost to Johnson in 2002 in a battle of incumbents after redistricting merged the 5th and 6th Districts.

Depending on who might win the congressional seat, that could mean a special election for a state Senate seat. Or there could be a new Danbury mayor.

State Rep. Janice Giegler, R-Danbury, is one of the legislators who could be in line to run for Cappiello's 24th District seat.

She said she hasn't even thought about that, having just been reelected to the House for a second term. But she's heard people talk about the scenario and sees why they might think it's so.

"Senator Lieberman has worked well with both sides of the aisle," Giegler said. "Congresswoman Johnson has done a lot and could bring a lot to the position of senator. She's very qualified."

Giegler called the rumor intriguing.

But, Cappiello cautioned, that's all it is at this point.

"It's a rumor I've heard in Hartford," he said. "But I hear millions of rumors in Hartford."



TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut; US: District of Columbia; US: Nebraska; US: Washington; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2004; 56431; appointment; bush; cabinet; filibuster; filibustering; homeland; joelieberman; liberals; lieberman; majority; napalminthemorning; rats; republicans; rino; security; senate; supremecourt; w; wh; wot
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1 posted on 11/21/2004 8:52:03 AM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: Mike Fieschko
Damn fine strategery if its true. I can't wait to see the Dims go insane if they lose another Senate seat.
2 posted on 11/21/2004 8:57:08 AM PST by trek
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To: Mike Fieschko
Ahem...isn't Ann Coulter from Connecticut?


3 posted on 11/21/2004 8:58:07 AM PST by cloud8
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To: Mike Fieschko

Johnson gets an 'F' from GOA and a 47 life time rating from ACU. Not exactly "one of us."


4 posted on 11/21/2004 8:59:24 AM PST by donozark (UMA PEMMARAJU HAS HER EYE(S) ON ME!)
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To: Mike Fieschko
Lieberman is a good man, BUT campaigned for Kerry several times in Florida AND, mostly, he was the Democrat VP candidate in 2000! I really don't know if it is a good choice for President Bush and the Cabinet. First of all, Mineta must resign and I'd have liked men as Zell Miller with Bush!
5 posted on 11/21/2004 9:00:25 AM PST by alessandrofiaschi
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To: Mike Fieschko

Lieberman would be a masterful choice as Homeland Defense Secretary!


6 posted on 11/21/2004 9:00:52 AM PST by zzen01
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To: donozark

She may be the best chance you get for an "R" in Connecticut.

ONe this is...it would get us one vote closer to 60 in the Senate...which is why I don't think Lieberman will go for it...


7 posted on 11/21/2004 9:01:34 AM PST by Keith (NOW, MORE THAN EVER....IT'S ABOUT THE JUDGES!)
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To: Mike Fieschko

Lieberman for Homeland Security??? What on earth for? First, what are his qualifications (slim or none) and second, if he is one of the more conservative democRATs in the Senate, why give a blue state the opportunity to replace him with a Kennedy / Hillary clone?


8 posted on 11/21/2004 9:02:20 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("We are in the process of allowing them to self-actualise" LtC. Rainey, Fallujah, 11/04)
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To: Keith

I don't think so. Lieberman is a conservative democrat (more or less) and he would not filibuster in any case. Besides we would probably lose a post in the House. The problems are many!


9 posted on 11/21/2004 9:03:27 AM PST by alessandrofiaschi
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To: trek

And don't forget Nelson from Nebraska for Secretary of Agriculture. That would make +2 for the GOP.

And it's just fine now for a Governor to fill a vacant opposition seat with someone from their own party, after what the Democrats did in Georgia with Zell Miller.

It's not our fault that Zell did them more harm than good...
;-)


10 posted on 11/21/2004 9:03:32 AM PST by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: cloud8

YA! There ya go! Wouldn't THAT antagonize lefties! SENATOR ANN COULTER! Poor Alan Combs, he would jacktitate like a squirrel on a high-tension line...


11 posted on 11/21/2004 9:04:16 AM PST by donozark (UMA PEMMARAJU HAS HER EYE(S) ON ME!)
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To: Keith

True. But would she be there for us on key votes?


12 posted on 11/21/2004 9:06:04 AM PST by donozark (UMA PEMMARAJU HAS HER EYE(S) ON ME!)
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To: counterpunch

Are you dreaming or kidding? I don't wont too many rats in the next Bush Cabinet!!! Expecially these rats, who would not filibuster.


13 posted on 11/21/2004 9:06:37 AM PST by alessandrofiaschi
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To: NonValueAdded
Lieberman for Homeland Security??? What on earth for? First, what are his qualifications (slim or none)

What are Tom Ridge's qualifications?
What, if any, is even the purpose of the Department of Homeland Security?
It was Lieberman's idea... maybe he'd know what to do with it.
14 posted on 11/21/2004 9:06:55 AM PST by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: Mike Fieschko

Huh. I don't see legislators as making good department heads. So Lieberman isn't a great pick. Nancy Johnson's a RINO... Its kind of an everybody sorta wins but sorta loses scenario. But it just about is plausible... Demonrats DeLauro and Larson are extremists, so Rell would have grounds for preomoting a Republican.


15 posted on 11/21/2004 9:07:01 AM PST by dangus
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To: donozark
Johnson gets an 'F' from GOA and a 47 life time rating from ACU. Not exactly "one of us."

More reason to do it. She is next in line for the House Ways and Means Committee chairmanship.

16 posted on 11/21/2004 9:07:14 AM PST by John Thornton ("Appeasers always hope that the crocodile will eat them last." Winston Churchill)
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To: Mike Fieschko; All

Hubby suggested that Bush nominate Lieberman to the Supreme Court. I'm not sure if he heard that somewhere or just came up with it on his own.

Any comments?


17 posted on 11/21/2004 9:09:48 AM PST by jocon307 (Jihad is world wide. Jihad is serious business. We ignore global jihad at our peril.)
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To: Mike Fieschko

I don't think any of this will happen. Even though I think out of all the contenders Lieberman would have been the toughest Dem for Bush to beat in the 2004 election.

I also think that even though Lieberman campaigned for Kerry... when he got in that voting booth he pushed Bush.


18 posted on 11/21/2004 9:11:24 AM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: jocon307
Hubby suggested that Bush nominate Lieberman to the Supreme Court. I'm not sure if he heard that somewhere or just came up with it on his own. Any comments? SIMPLY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
19 posted on 11/21/2004 9:11:35 AM PST by alessandrofiaschi
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To: NonValueAdded

A DINO is still a DIMO (not an error in spelling;)
Remember him and Gore. ::shudder::


20 posted on 11/21/2004 9:13:09 AM PST by stopem
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To: trashcanbred

"...when he got in that voting booth he pushed Bush."

LOL, I bet you are right!


21 posted on 11/21/2004 9:13:27 AM PST by jocon307 (Jihad is world wide. Jihad is serious business. We ignore global jihad at our peril.)
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To: dangus

I don't see much of a downside. The reasonable wing of the Democratic Party gets a boost by having an influence in the White House. Republicans are seen as reaching out. I see no reason why Lieberman wouldn't do an excellent job.


22 posted on 11/21/2004 9:13:56 AM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: John Thornton

I don't know that her promotion to Ways and Means is certain.


23 posted on 11/21/2004 9:15:26 AM PST by donozark (UMA PEMMARAJU HAS HER EYE(S) ON ME!)
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To: Mike Fieschko

This is the second or third Democrat senator from a state with a Republican governor that has been mentioned as a possible Cabinet member. Come on, people. They aren't that stupid.


24 posted on 11/21/2004 9:15:44 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: NutCrackerBoy

Remember this:

http://www.local10.com/politics/3804933/detail.html


26 posted on 11/21/2004 9:18:19 AM PST by alessandrofiaschi
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To: shanscom

http://www.tampatrib.com/News/MGB01W35WZD.html


27 posted on 11/21/2004 9:20:10 AM PST by alessandrofiaschi
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To: zzen01

Zell would be even better [since he is retiring from the Senate - it would look as less of crass politics and more like an appointment in the national interest]. And Zell is much more of no-nonsence guy, IMHO.


28 posted on 11/21/2004 9:22:00 AM PST by GSlob
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To: counterpunch
It was Lieberman's idea... maybe he'd know what to do with it.

MAYBE he'd know what to do with it? Oh, I see. Let's promote Senators into executive positions so they can use their highly honed skill of managing a relative handful of staffers. Gov. Ridge had the necessary executive experience to bring together the management infrastructure to set up the reorganization of existing agencies and departments into DHS. Remember, that's all it was: a reshuffling of agencies; there was limited change of the actual doers (operatives? guys at the pointy end of the stick?). Sorry, but Ridge DID have the qualifications and all Lieberman did was propose legislation and I doubt it was an original idea.

29 posted on 11/21/2004 9:23:35 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("We are in the process of allowing them to self-actualise" LtC. Rainey, Fallujah, 11/04)
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To: alessandrofiaschi
"Connecticut Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman, a Democrat, could be named secretary of the Department of the Homeland Security, a department he helped to create."

I think Lieberman is a great choice if he will take it.

30 posted on 11/21/2004 9:23:52 AM PST by DestroytheDemocrats (My screen name has come true!!!! W whipped the Dems ! Yaaaaaay!!!)
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To: alessandrofiaschi

I don't get it. Joe Lieberman is unacceptable because he campaigned for his own political party?


32 posted on 11/21/2004 9:28:31 AM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: stopem

Agreed and Conn. does have a (small r) republican governorship. But a New England "r" generally = RINO if for nothing more than their political survival. I'm not sure that flipping the party of a Senator would go over well with the Kerry-voting majority of people in Conn. I suspect a lot of backlash at the eventual special election. Regardless, Lieberman is not the guy for the job. Not only is he not qualified, he sold his soul to the devil once already and is to never be trusted again.


33 posted on 11/21/2004 9:29:04 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("We are in the process of allowing them to self-actualise" LtC. Rainey, Fallujah, 11/04)
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To: Mike Fieschko

Far-left dems would blow a gasket if Lieberman were to take up this position. The implosion would be fun to watch!


34 posted on 11/21/2004 9:33:01 AM PST by Truthsayer20
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To: counterpunch
"It's not our fault that Zell did them more harm than good.."

heh heh heh

35 posted on 11/21/2004 9:36:05 AM PST by trek
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To: NonValueAdded

Well, I think Lieberman is a good man, and putting him in a non-political position could give him the opportunity to final show it.

There's talk about filibusters and that Lieberman wouldn't, so there's no reason to replace him with a Republican. But that's a hard sell coming from people who advocate throwing out "RINOS" even. Surely Lieberman still votes more often with the Democrats than not. And while Lieberman may not filibuster, as far as I know he's stuck with his party and hasn't voted for cloture either.

I'm rather suspicious of people who always seem to call for replacing "bad" Republicans with Democrats, and keeping "not so bad" Democrats in place.


36 posted on 11/21/2004 9:37:44 AM PST by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: counterpunch

He was an assistant district attorney in Erie.

He was in the House for twelve years.

He was Governor of Pennsylvania for six years.


37 posted on 11/21/2004 9:38:21 AM PST by republicanwizard
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To: NutCrackerBoy
I don't get it. Joe Lieberman is unacceptable because he campaigned for his own political party? Yes, but not only this. He strongly campaigned in Florida for sKerry in order to get Jews votes in this swing State, even after Bush signed the well-known Bill pro-Israel! Besides he is too liberal on values and I can't get how his appointment could help our majority in Senate. Lieberman would not filibuster, just like the Democrat senator of Ne. Their names are useless. The only democrat we must consider for the cabinet is Zell Miller, while Mineta must resign. If you want another "conservative-liberal", then pick Giuliani!
38 posted on 11/21/2004 9:40:05 AM PST by alessandrofiaschi
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To: jocon307

It depends who he replaces. Ginsberg. Souter, Stevens - Yes. Any of the other Reps, NO.


39 posted on 11/21/2004 9:42:59 AM PST by uscabjd
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To: shanscom

Did Nelson say no?


40 posted on 11/21/2004 9:44:04 AM PST by uscabjd
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To: Mike Fieschko

Frankly, I would hope that Bush would have learned from his first term that every time he reaches across the aisle, his draws back a nub. Teddy Chappaquiddick did it to him as did others.

As Dem, Lieberman is tolerable, but he's no Zell Miller. And, I haven't heard that Ridge is on the chopping block. I'm not overly fond of Ridge and, particularly, I don't care for his unequivocal support of Bush's open borders policy. That's NOT what a DHS Secretary should be endorsing.

Still, we were led to expect a significant attack around the elections and it never materialized and, for that, I have to give Ridge and the DHS kudos. We weren't "Spain'ed" on 11/2 and Kerry didn't win.

So, IMO, there's no need to change this horse; he's still running just fine.


41 posted on 11/21/2004 9:47:56 AM PST by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: Mike Fieschko
Joe is one of those rare Dems that believe there is a God. He would be a fine choice.

Pray for W and Our Troops

42 posted on 11/21/2004 9:48:11 AM PST by bray (Nam Vets Rock!!)
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To: bray
So what? Even Specter believe in God, but I would not like to see him in the Office!
43 posted on 11/21/2004 9:50:33 AM PST by alessandrofiaschi
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To: uscabjd
Did Nelson say no?

According to NRO, he did.

44 posted on 11/21/2004 10:02:49 AM PST by freespirited (Kerry ravaged the reputation of Vietnam vets in a manner reminiscent of a creepy liar.)
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To: uscabjd
Did Nelson say no?

PMFBI, but I think Fred Barnes said that Nelson of Nebraska said no to Ag Sec.
45 posted on 11/21/2004 10:03:09 AM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: Mike Fieschko

If Ben Nelson of NE said no to Sec Ag then he WILL be defeated in 2006 by Gov Johanns.


46 posted on 11/21/2004 10:05:33 AM PST by zzen01
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To: trek

I think Bush would be able to name at most one sitting Democrat Senator to his cabinet (or some other such position), from a state with a Republican Governor.

Being at 55 in the Senate is a very strong position. Being at 56 would be even stronger. However, those remaining in the Democratic Caucus would become increasingly paranoid with each defection.

That somebody is now floating the idea of Lieberman for Homeland Security, following the decline of Senator Nelson of Nebraska for Secretary of Agriculture, indicates that Bush is pursuing the idea of appointing a sitting Democratic Senator with some vigor.

Let's keep in mind that these guys - Nelson of Nebraska, Lieberman, and maybe Nelson of Florida and Conrad of North Dakota - are among the few Democrats we might be able to work with, to overcome Democratic filibusters on judicial appointments and in major reform legislation.

Here are my wild card appointment ideas:

Conrad for a Governor of the Federal Reserve (not Chairman), Nelson of Florida for head of NASA, and Lieberman for Ambassador to the U.N. (after Danforth is given a new appointment).

While I am appointing people, what about Colin Powell to replace Kofi Anon. as Secretary-General of the U.N.?

As for Nelson of Nebraska, I hope he enjoys his last two years in the Senate.


47 posted on 11/21/2004 10:30:03 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: counterpunch

Too touchy-feely for me. Let's get qualified people heading important agencies. Homeland Security is not the agency in which to park people, especially when the administration will need to integrate in the inevitable changes to the intelligence structure.


48 posted on 11/21/2004 10:32:05 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("We are in the process of allowing them to self-actualise" LtC. Rainey, Fallujah, 11/04)
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To: alessandrofiaschi
Although Zell Miller is owed a lot by Bush for his support during the last election, my impression of him is that he is a super patriot and rock solid speaker, but he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. He could be given a soft ambassadorship somewhere, but should never be asked to make the kind of complex decisions life and death decisions required as head of Homeland Security.
I would say Rudy would be ideal.
49 posted on 11/21/2004 10:51:54 AM PST by finnigan2
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To: Mike Fieschko

Are any of the Republicans being mentioned as conservative as Lieberman? (/sarcasm)


50 posted on 11/21/2004 11:11:15 AM PST by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan)
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