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National Treasure
The American Thinker ^ | Nov. 21, 2004 | Thomas Lifson

Posted on 11/21/2004 3:48:15 PM PST by Kitten Festival

As long as I am confessing less than elevated interests today, I might as well admit that I really enjoyed the new film National Treasure. This is probably the first Jerry Bruckheimer-produced movie I have ever praised, unless you count Team America, which is a parody of his extravagent explosion-filled action movies, acted by puppets.

Sure, it is a highly-implausible adventure film, but it has a number of redeeming values. It is first-rate storytelling, with nary a dull moment, and a mostly coherent narrative line. It is basically a treasure hunt, comparable in many ways to Raiders of the Lost Ark or King Solomon's Mines, two other very well-crafted screen adventures. John Turteltaub, the director, is quite impressive in the way he keeps advancing the narrative, and makes appealing characters out of what could have been stick figures.

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KEYWORDS: adventure; bruckheimer; film; freemasonry; freemasons; go; masons; moviereview; nationaltreasure; see; treasure
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Good film review - go see it!
1 posted on 11/21/2004 3:48:17 PM PST by Kitten Festival
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To: Kitten Festival

Don't believe the Freemasonry propaganda. If you dig into REAL history you will find the Freemasons are a force what what's wrong with this country. Specifically, the "invention" of the myth of seperation of church/state (most people think it IN the consitition). I challenge anyone to find it in any of the documents that our Republic holds dear.

In addition, the more you dig into "Morals and Dogma" - essentially the handbook of Freemasonry, the more occult it gets. M&D was written by Albert Pike. Check into him one fine Sunday afternoon.


2 posted on 11/21/2004 3:52:52 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: Kitten Festival
...go see it!...

Won't. Can't stand Nicholas Cage. The boy is a lousy actor. Only film he was good in was "Raising Arizona". He was perfect for the part.

3 posted on 11/21/2004 3:53:48 PM PST by FReepaholic (Proud FReeper since 1998. Proud monthly donor.)
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To: Kitten Festival

Saw it last night. Good flick...agree w/ the B+ rating. Very fast paced & not a slow minute in the film.


4 posted on 11/21/2004 3:59:49 PM PST by elli1
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To: Kitten Festival
Saw it last night...no cursing...one off-screen death...lots of great historical places visited...tons of action,a modern day Indiana Jones for sure. Just ignore the Freemason stuff. It is a fictional movie, right? : )
5 posted on 11/21/2004 4:05:28 PM PST by Reddy
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To: BereanBrain

Make sure you fasten your tin foil nice and tight. Or, the Bildebergers will come get you.


6 posted on 11/21/2004 4:07:04 PM PST by mattdono ("Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags" -Big Arnie)
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To: BereanBrain

Sometimes a movie, is just a movie.


7 posted on 11/21/2004 4:08:03 PM PST by Reagan Man ("America has spoken")
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To: Kitten Festival

Michael Medved also gave it a very good review. Left-stream media critics hate it. Sounds like my kind of film.


I was going to see it last night but Mrs. Hugin has a cold. I'll have to go next week.


8 posted on 11/21/2004 4:09:11 PM PST by Hugin
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To: BereanBrain

Yeah those evil Freemasons, like Washington and Franklin.


9 posted on 11/21/2004 4:11:28 PM PST by Hugin
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To: Reddy
Saw it last night...no cursing...one off-screen death...lots of great historical places visited...tons of action,a modern day Indiana Jones for sure. Just ignore the Freemason stuff. It is a fictional movie, right? : )

I liked this movie. Sure it was escapist silliness, but it was still a fun movie. And it didn't treat the founders badly. That's a suprise for Hollywood.

10 posted on 11/21/2004 4:12:11 PM PST by Koblenz (Holland: a very tolerant country. Until someone shoots you on a public street in broad daylight...)
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To: tscislaw

I like Cage. I thought he was great in "The Rock" and "Snake Eyes".


11 posted on 11/21/2004 4:12:27 PM PST by Quilla
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To: Reddy
...lots of great historical places visited...

Glad you mentioned it. That was a really cool part of the flick.

12 posted on 11/21/2004 4:14:50 PM PST by elli1
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To: Kitten Festival

My wife and I liked it.

Before going, I saw the so-so/negative reviews. The first one I read (Aussie Garth Franklin) complained of its "patriotism." Sounded like a plus to me.

I wondered, though, how a Kerry/Klinton kool-aid-drinker would hear a line in there about overthrowing the government, riffing off and expanding what the Declaration says.

Dan


13 posted on 11/21/2004 4:15:09 PM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: tscislaw

Nicholas Cage seemed a perfect fit in Raising Arizona

In all his other movies, he seems disjointed and out of place.

Maybe Cage will luck out with a Raising Arizona II.

14 posted on 11/21/2004 4:15:29 PM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (John Kerry--three fake Purple Hearts. George Bush--one real heart of gold.)
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To: Kitten Festival

I give it **1/2. It held my interest, didn't have much of a script, but good for the family to enjoy. Besides, I'm a sucker for Masonic conspiracy theories.


15 posted on 11/21/2004 4:16:43 PM PST by Clemenza (Gabba Gabba Hey!)
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To: Kitten Festival
The treasure in question is the fabled horde of the Knights Templar (also the source of the Maltese Falcon, an American film masterpiece)

No. The Knights of Malta, who paid the tribute of a falcon, were (and are) the Knights Hospitalers, not the Knights Templar.

16 posted on 11/21/2004 4:27:21 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: Hugin

17 posted on 11/21/2004 4:43:06 PM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules)
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To: Kitten Festival
Just got back from the movie this afternoon. I know a little about Freemasonry... enough to know that it is wrong for a christian to be one. I have studied quite a bit of their literature and find it to be quite full of humanistic teachings.

As for the movie, I didn't really find it to be really pro or anti-masonic (other than their are protrayal as the good guys - i.e. protectors of the treasure)

Overall, a very innocent, clever, and inacurrate usage of the Masons history and symbolics to come up with a unique and entertaining story.
I would give the movie 3 out of 5 stars.


18 posted on 11/21/2004 4:59:19 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: elli1

DH & I went on Friday night, and while he thought that not enough stuff "blew up" I loved the locations, and the history-mystery aspect of it. He had to tell me to "shaddup already!" because I kept pointing out minor D.C. sites that I have visited but he didn't know of, LOL!

It was good on the big screen, but I'd probably wait for it to come out on DVD if you have a decent sound system.

It wasn't "The Mummy" and it certainly wasn't "Raiders of the Lost Ark" but it was serviceable. "B" rating from me. And VERY kid friendly. One or two kisses, no blood, no swearing that stood out. Cute, sweet, funny side-kick buddy guy. Nice, kindly and slightly wack-o Dad figure. Waaaay too much Product Placement. I stopped counting at 15 things. Gawd! Just make a friggin' movie, not a commercial, could ya?

And No Naked Harvey Keitel! Wa-Hoo! That ALONE was worth the price of admission.


19 posted on 11/21/2004 5:09:28 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Kitten Festival
My wife and I and our 9-year-old daughter went to see "National Treasure" yesterday and we all enjoyed it. I was very pleased that there was no graphic violence, sex, or language. Entertaining film.

The previous week we saw "The Incredibles." Liked that one, too.

Two good movies in a row. I don't go to many movies, because most of them look like junk.

20 posted on 11/21/2004 5:09:32 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (See maybe three or four movies a year.)
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To: BereanBrain
If you dig into REAL history you will find the Freemasons are a force what what's wrong with this country

In addition, the more you dig into "Morals and Dogma" - essentially the handbook of Freemasonry, the more occult it gets. M&D was written by Albert Pike

Finally, another enlightened mind who knows the truth. Though you know you're liable to get flamed for your efforts, as now will I!

21 posted on 11/21/2004 5:16:04 PM PST by pctech
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To: Hugin

Washington and Franklin were not Masons, free or otherwise. That's just another lie invented by the main stream press of the past to try and tarnish these great men.


22 posted on 11/21/2004 5:17:14 PM PST by pctech
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To: BereanBrain

Another anti Mason loon

You have no clue what you're talking about.

Tighten down your tinfoil jumpsuit,and go crawl back under your rock.

Quit badmouthing something you have no idea about


23 posted on 11/21/2004 5:20:06 PM PST by 5Madman2 (DemocRATS are Vermin)
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To: BereanBrain

Morals and Dogma and Pike have all the credibilty of a Kitty Kelly book-quote something taht resembles a real source.


24 posted on 11/21/2004 5:23:42 PM PST by 5Madman2 (DemocRATS are Vermin)
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To: BereanBrain

Back in your hole troll!


25 posted on 11/21/2004 5:24:07 PM PST by Militiaman7 (Jesus is my personal Physician.)
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To: BereanBrain
Don't believe the Freemasonry propaganda. If you dig into REAL history you will find the Freemasons are a force what what's wrong with this country.

To call Art Bell, East of the Rockies, call 1-800-618-8255 (toll-free)

In the Western US, call 1-800-825-5033.

First-Time Callers: 1-775-727-1222

And our Wild Card Line: 1-775-727-1295.

26 posted on 11/21/2004 5:25:15 PM PST by Uncle Vlad
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To: pctech
Washington and Franklin were not Masons, free or otherwise.

But but but we have a photo! see post #17...

27 posted on 11/21/2004 5:28:54 PM PST by null and void (It's like the names are just floating out there, waiting. They're waiting for the stone.)
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To: BereanBrain
"..Specifically, the "invention" of the myth of seperation of church/state (most people think it IN the consitition). I challenge anyone to find it in any of the documents that our Republic holds dear."

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

28 posted on 11/21/2004 5:34:39 PM PST by Henchster
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To: Henchster; BereanBrain

It isn't there.

Keep looking.


29 posted on 11/21/2004 5:47:13 PM PST by Skooz (Kerry Voters = Parasites of Freedom: 56,936,504 Americans obeyed Osama's orders)
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To: BereanBrain
and I bet when you hear the term "occult" your mind goes straight to Satanic devil worshiping heathens....
30 posted on 11/21/2004 5:52:35 PM PST by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: pctech
Pasted from the following link supporting that Washington was a Mason, just not a stongly practicing one:

http://www.bessel.org/gwfmy.htm

Washington admired the principles and goals of Freemasonry, but he was not very familiar with them and did not attempt to learn more about Freemasonry.

Washington wrote letters indicating that he was happy to be a Mason; presided in a major Masonic ceremony laying the cornerstone of the U.S. Capitol in Masonic regalia, and possibly in some other Masonic ceremonies; never sought to resign or repudiate his Masonic membership; and did not say or do anything negative toward Freemasonry, other than that some Masons promoted the radicalism of the French Revolution (as did others).

However, there is little or no evidence that Washington attended many Masonic lodge meetings in his whole life after becoming a Mason 1753.

Washington attended at most 3 meetings, possibly fewer or none (he may have attended dinners but not the preceding meetings), of the lodge that today is called Alexandria-Washington Lodge #22, and of which he was the first Master under its Virginia Charter. While he was Master of that lodge, he did not do anything to assist the work of the lodge, and he attended, at most, one meeting (if he attended that one), when officers were reelected. There is no indication that he actually presided as Master on that occasion and it is unlikely that he did so. Paintings and sculpture showing Washington presiding as a Master of that or any other Masonic lodge are probably based only on wishful thinking.

Some Masons may have gotten carried away with their delight that the most eminent citizen of the United States, George Washington, joined the Freemasons when we was very young and continued to be a member throughout his life and wrote letters supporting Freemasonry, and they may have attempted to portray him as an active and enthusiastic member of the Craft even though the evidence indicates that he was not.

George Washington was apparently a Mason who was not very interested in attending lodge meetings, although there is considerable evidence that he was happy to be a member and publicly supported Freemasonry.
31 posted on 11/21/2004 6:02:51 PM PST by KillTime (Bush's secret weapon: Ta-Ra-Za)
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To: Skooz

That's pretty clear to me. Read it again but turn your comprehension to "On." {;^)


32 posted on 11/21/2004 6:08:14 PM PST by Henchster
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To: Henchster
That's pretty clear to me. Read it again but turn your comprehension to "On." {;^)

Hmmm..... Let me try this again.

Okay, if I try REAL hard, and put on my special ACLU approved decoder glasses, and drink the DNC Kool-Aid...........

Well, by George, there it is.

The phrase "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" is actually code for "There shall be absolute and total separation of church and state at all times, from the federal level down to the local to the point that even local public school plays that mention the word "Christmas" are gross violations of the law and all references to religion must be summarily expunged from every public place. Period."

Yep. Sure enough. There it is. Of course, I had to descend into the absurd, contradictory abyss of Bizarro World to see the code.

33 posted on 11/21/2004 6:21:40 PM PST by Skooz (Kerry Voters = Parasites of Freedom: 56,936,504 Americans obeyed Osama's orders)
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To: Safrguns

I haven't seen the movie yet but I take exception to the negative things you said about the masons. I can see for sure that you were right in saying you knew a little about them(DAMN LITTLE) No man can become a mason without a belief in a supreme being thats why there are JEWS, HINDU'S, CHRISTIANS ,BUDDIST'S, MUSLIMS, ETC. Look at the pictures of the signing of the Declaration of Indpendance then look up the background of them, most were MASON'S look at the list of presidents of the United States and tell me how many were and are Mason's. I've been a proud mason for nearly 50 years and you should look up the worlds greatest philanthropy, The Shiners Hospitals for Children. It's people like you who know little and think they know everything about an organization. Read Born in
Blood if you want to learn something.


34 posted on 11/21/2004 6:24:12 PM PST by snowman1
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To: Charles Henrickson

I saw National Treasure also. It would be good for families, there wasn't any cursing, none that I can remember, or really anything violent. There were gunshots, but I can't remember anybody getting shot and killed. I didn't think Bruckheimer would make a PG rated action movie (well, he did make Top Gun, but that was more for adults, and wasn't made by Disney). He seems to be hanging up the R-rated stuff and going for broader audiences.

Also, The Polar Express continues to tank. Whose bright idea was that to release that movie a month before Christmas?


35 posted on 11/21/2004 6:27:48 PM PST by Galactic Overlord-In-Chief (Congratulations to Senator-elect David Vitter, the first GOP senator from LA since Reconstruction!)
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To: BereanBrain

Without getting into an anti-mason vs. Mason thread, let me offer that 'Morals and Dogma' is not the handbook of Freemasonry - essentially or otherwise.


36 posted on 11/21/2004 6:28:36 PM PST by PresbyRev
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To: pctech

Both were Freemasons - it is historical fact; completely verifiable. The "Mainstream Press" has nothing to do with it.

http://www.masonicinfo.com/


37 posted on 11/21/2004 6:31:41 PM PST by PresbyRev
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To: Skooz
"Of course, I had to descend into the absurd, contradictory abyss of Bizarro World..."

Yes, you certainly did.

I'm only saying there is a clear separation between government and religion, as it should be, and it's not only in the Constitution, but the 1st amendment of the Bill of Rights. It also allows people to gather for any reason or religion.

And I'd like to point out my lack of bias, as I am not religious, nor am I a Mason. I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night though!

38 posted on 11/21/2004 6:32:43 PM PST by Henchster
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To: Safrguns

Here is a brief take on the movie from a Masonic point of view.

http://www.masonicinfo.com/nationaltreasure.htm


39 posted on 11/21/2004 6:34:12 PM PST by PresbyRev
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To: Koblenz
Actually it was the Knights Templar treasure that was stashed after the start of the inquisition by of all things a FRENCH POPE when the Templars got too rich and too strong for his tastes. Read the book "BORN IN BLOOD' written by a non mason by the way(when he wrote the book, later became one) The white clock with the red cross were the Templars, the blue cross denoted the hospitlars.
40 posted on 11/21/2004 6:37:57 PM PST by snowman1
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To: Kitten Festival

We just got home from seeing it. We took our twelve-year-old. She enjoyed it as much as we did.


41 posted on 11/21/2004 6:40:12 PM PST by Samwise (This day does not belong to one man but to all. --Aragorn)
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To: Henchster
"Of course, I had to descend into the absurd, contradictory abyss of Bizarro World..."

Yes, you certainly did.

All who agree with the ACLU's position on this must descend the same absurd abyss.

"Separation of church and state," as currently defined by the ACLU, People For the American Way, Americans United, et al, is nowhere in the Constitution and is certainly not to be found in the 1st Amendment. The founders were merely making sure that no "Church of the United States" could be formed along the lines of the Church of England.

I prefer to understand the text as it is actually written, rather than how it has been twisted and tortured to conform to the mores of the day.

42 posted on 11/21/2004 6:41:33 PM PST by Skooz (Kerry Voters = Parasites of Freedom: 56,936,504 Americans obeyed Osama's orders)
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To: Skooz
"All who agree with the ACLU's position on this must descend the same absurd abyss."

I never said anything about the ACLU, and CERTAINLY don't agree with any of their views.

You're trying to put words in my mouth. Stick with the actual content of my post, not some implied beliefs you've conjured up in your "absurd abyss".

43 posted on 11/21/2004 6:54:12 PM PST by Henchster
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To: snowman1
snowman, My father is a 32nd degree mason, and I love him very much. I understand why you took exception with what I said, but I can assure you that this was not the intention of my post. False teachings can be found in just about any organization you can think of including some of the best churches America has to offer. My statement was not directed at masons, but rather the organization itself, based on many of it's basic doctrinal statements... universalism being one of them as demonstrated in your rebuke.
I'm not anti-mason... I'm pro-christian
Thank you for the reference to "Born in Blood"... I will read it. Feel free to freepmail me if you wish to continue this discussion.

Thanks


44 posted on 11/21/2004 7:06:34 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: PresbyRev

Informative link... Thanks!


45 posted on 11/21/2004 7:08:01 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Henchster
You're trying to put words in my mouth. Stick with the actual content of my post, not some implied beliefs you've conjured up in your "absurd abyss".

Well, I certainly never intended to equate you with the ACLU. My point is that your original post seemed to imply that the First Amendment is the document that contains the "separation of church and state." I disagree.

No big deal.

46 posted on 11/21/2004 8:00:50 PM PST by Skooz (Kerry Voters = Parasites of Freedom: 56,936,504 Americans obeyed Osama's orders)
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To: null and void

It's not an actual photo, anyone can see that. Heck, they said the same thing about Lincoln too. It's all bullhocky!


47 posted on 11/21/2004 8:13:10 PM PST by pctech
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To: pctech

Did my post really need a sarcasm tag?


48 posted on 11/21/2004 8:17:55 PM PST by null and void (It's like the names are just floating out there, waiting. They're waiting for the stone.)
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To: PresbyRev

And I still say that no matter what people produce in the way of so-called "facts," that neither Washington, Franklin, Lincoln, or any other of our presidents were masons. All the proves is that the masons are trying to legitimize themselves by claiming former presidents were among their ranks. Masons are liars, and have even claimed to murder people, just to keep the truth from coming out about them.


49 posted on 11/21/2004 8:18:18 PM PST by pctech
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To: snowman1
Read Born in Blood if you want to learn something.

Outstanding book, written by a non-Mason. A lot of history I didn't know about, including the demise of the Knights Templar and the Peasant Rebellion a century later. Fascinating stuff, whether you accept the conclusions or not.

50 posted on 11/22/2004 12:15:20 AM PST by Hugin
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