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Five killed, three wounded in Wisconsin shooting
Minneapolis Star & Tribune ^ | November 22, 2004 | Associated Press

Posted on 11/21/2004 8:33:17 PM PST by craig61a

HAYWARD, Wis. -- A dispute among deer hunters over a tree stand in northwestern Wisconsin erupted Sunday in a series of shootings that left five people dead and three injured, officials said.

The alleged gunman, a man from the Twin Cities area, was arrested at about 5:15 p.m. Sunday at the Rusk and Sawyer County line, according to Sawyer County sheriff's officials.

The violence began shortly after a hunting party saw a hunter occupying their tree stand, Sawyer County Chief Deputy Tim Zeigle told KSTP-TV of St. Paul, Minn. A confrontation, and shooting, followed.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: assault; assaultweapon; bang; banglist; deerstand; gun; guncontrol; hunting; shooting; vang; wihunters
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Bonehead on a rampage with an SKS. Local is news is mentioning the weapon of course. One local station did mention it ( the SKS ) was not banned by federal law, and one trigger pull = one projectile. This is an extremely rare occurance. And of course, an SKS is cheap to buy, half the price of a used 30-30 lever action, so they are an option for the deer hunter on a budget. Just unfortunate that the weapon has to be as prominant as the crime, I'm sure there will be calls to outlaw the SKS.
1 posted on 11/21/2004 8:33:19 PM PST by craig61a
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To: craig61a
Site Meter what a horrible story...
2 posted on 11/21/2004 8:33:53 PM PST by KMC1
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To: craig61a

I can't figure out how he managed to take on all these people and walked away unscathed. Geraldo Rivera reported that the gun used was an "assault rifle" and that set my alarms off.


3 posted on 11/21/2004 8:38:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (I come swinging the olive branch of peace.)
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To: craig61a

The local news here is calling the sks an 'assault rifle', which is odd because it doesn't meet any of the defintions of an 'assault rifle'.


4 posted on 11/21/2004 8:38:54 PM PST by flashbunny (Every thought that enters my head requires its own vanity thread.)
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To: craig61a
Other info at the following if anyone is interested.....

HUNTER GOES BERZERK IN WISCONSIN; AT LEAST FIVE DEAD ^
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Drudge Report ^

 

Multiple Shooting in Wisconsin ^
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5EyewitnessNews ^ | 11/21/04

5 posted on 11/21/2004 8:39:40 PM PST by deport (I've done a lot things.... seen a lot of things..... Most of which I don't remember.)
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To: craig61a

Big thread on this story:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1285531/posts?page=1,50


6 posted on 11/21/2004 8:39:59 PM PST by MaineRepublic (Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. -- Euripides)
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To: craig61a

I've got a Ruger Mini-30. One pull...one shot.

Am I a bad person?


7 posted on 11/21/2004 8:40:00 PM PST by montomike (Gay means happy and carefree...not an abomination against nature's check valve.)
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To: craig61a

I wonder where all my trigger-happy neighbors were with their 7mm Mags? They were around there this weekend.


8 posted on 11/21/2004 8:42:10 PM PST by hlmencken3 (Think good and it will be good!)
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To: montomike

Blue state on blue state violence.


9 posted on 11/21/2004 8:42:40 PM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: craig61a

This bizerk hunter just gave the anti-gun lobby the kind of story they would kill for.


10 posted on 11/21/2004 8:43:07 PM PST by beckett
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To: craig61a

Can I weigh in with the obvious?

This must be a hate crime.

Well, it sure would be if a white guy had shot a bunch of Asians.


11 posted on 11/21/2004 8:46:00 PM PST by Restorer (Europe is heavily armed, but only with envy.)
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To: craig61a
The suspect......


12 posted on 11/21/2004 8:48:01 PM PST by TLI ( . . . ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA . . . . . .)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
Not Blue state on blue state. Blue county on red county violence. According to the article, the shooter is Hmong:

Chai Soua Vang, 36, was arrested early Sunday evening in Sawyer County, Wis., said Sawyer County Sheriff's Deputy Jake Hodgkinson. Vang lives on St. Paul's East Side, police spokesman Paul Schnell said. He was held in the Sawyer County Jail.

And the shooting took place in rural, red Wisconsin, up by Rice Lake.

13 posted on 11/21/2004 8:48:23 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day (BBV BBV BBV BBV Black Box Voting Black Box Voting cleanup crew cleanup crew...so sue me, Ms. Harris.)
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To: cripplecreek

The weapon used was not an assault weapon according to the definition of "assault weapon". It was a self-loading carbine. An assault weapon is a select-fire intermediate range rifle.

The SKS is evil only because it's cheap.


14 posted on 11/21/2004 8:51:44 PM PST by Bogey78O (Kerry surrendered Florida faster than he surrendered the Mekong Delta)
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To: Restorer

Coo Coos come in all races but still I would be interested in learing...was he born in the US or is he an immigrant? If the Left throws "assault weapons" at us we should throw liberal immigration policies back at them.


15 posted on 11/21/2004 8:52:06 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (Technology advances but human nature is dependably stagnant)
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To: Restorer
Yeah, but only white people commit hate crimes...
16 posted on 11/21/2004 8:52:34 PM PST by craig61a
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To: craig61a

More or less my point.


17 posted on 11/21/2004 8:53:48 PM PST by Restorer (Europe is heavily armed, but only with envy.)
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To: craig61a
Here is where it took place: Meteor Township Wisconsin (Mapquest)
18 posted on 11/21/2004 8:54:40 PM PST by freakboy
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To: TLI

Thanks for the picture - looks foreign - wonder if a natural citizen or what -

Sad story - any way you look at it -


19 posted on 11/21/2004 8:54:54 PM PST by Pastnowfuturealpha
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To: craig61a

These guys ain't quite as smart as the average deer.


20 posted on 11/21/2004 8:56:38 PM PST by daguberment (The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish....)
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To: Bogey78O
The SKS is evil only because it's cheap.

Kind of like Thunderbird or Mad Dog 20/20. Or Al Franken.

21 posted on 11/21/2004 8:56:47 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day (BBV BBV BBV BBV Black Box Voting Black Box Voting cleanup crew cleanup crew...so sue me, Ms. Harris.)
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To: Monterrosa-24
Most Hmong his age are immigrants. The Hmong were staunch allies of the US during the Viet Nam war - that's why we welcome them here - the commies over there persecute them. I wouldn't hold his heritage against him.

Having said that, it ticks me off that the Fox affiliate in Green Bay is saying (repeatedly) that he used an "automatic" weapon.

22 posted on 11/21/2004 8:57:38 PM PST by Honcho Bongs
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To: craig61a

This question may have already been asked, but did these victims not have their own guns with them???


23 posted on 11/21/2004 9:06:07 PM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (THANK YOU LORD -- John Kerry is still just a senator.)
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To: craig61a

That may be more than died in Fallujah today. They do take deer hunting seriously in WI! Wonder is alcohol could have had a part in this?


24 posted on 11/21/2004 9:09:19 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: craig61a

Well heck! If you can't shoot one deer on private property, shoot seven humans instead! Who the fark IS this guy?


25 posted on 11/21/2004 9:09:21 PM PST by Just Lori (Before you can win the peace, you have to win the WAR!!!)
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To: Bogey78O
Well, It is really a Chinese AK47 knockoff.We have a number of hunters around here that use them.

Frankly, I find them to be lacking the accuracy for a one shot drop.

I have a friend who swears by his, but he had it modified for a scope.

26 posted on 11/21/2004 9:10:22 PM PST by Cold Heat (There is more to do! "Mr. Kerry, about that Navy discharge?")
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To: Honcho Bongs

You are right-o honcho. I like the heritage of the Hmong but not so much that I would be above putting this in my immigrant crime file stats.


27 posted on 11/21/2004 9:27:29 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (Technology advances but human nature is dependably stagnant)
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To: Honcho Bongs

There are many areas where you just make a point to stay away from the Hmong. This guy was alone so that might not have been pertinent, but they are known for violence in some areas. More of a gang issue, but...
Gives me the creeps. My nephews are hunting this weekend. On a positive note, my 12 year old nephew got his first deer yesterday!!


28 posted on 11/21/2004 9:30:13 PM PST by ozaukeemom (From one of my 13 yr old's friends"If Kerry is the question, the answer is Stupid")
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To: craig61a
It was not a dispute over a tree stand

A Hmong decided that he did not care whether he was trespassing on private land
just appropriated a privately owned tree stand while the owner and his hunting companions
were taking a break back in their hunting cabin.

He was told to get out of the owner's stand and off the privately owned land as he was trespassing...

The Hmong went back to his vehicle, retrieved an SKS (30 Cal Semi auto military look alike)
sneaked back onto the private land and murdered the owner and his friends in cold blood.

The Hmong are a group of highly pampered (by liberals and WI law enforcement) SE Asians brought to America after the fall of Vietnam...

In my hometown they are single handedly responsible for the increase in Asian crime including drugs prostitution and gang crimes...they have ruined a beautiful rural community where people once never worried about locking their doors and and took their children for neighborhood walks in parks where they no longer dare to...

Yes the older ones were once allies of ours during the Vietnam war...however that was 35 yrs ago and their off spring are not their parents and the next generation are a nightmare...

In WI the Hmong gangs run out of Mpls through Eau Claire, Wausau to Green Bay and down through the Fox River Valley....they have also been a crime problem in LaCrosse

They have strong ties to Sacramento Calif and their tribal General has a spacious ranch in Montana...the financing source for this is at best dubious

The Homong were the premier opium poppy growers and harvesters in Laos

I have observed them on County land taking deer out of season..butchering them and firing up the campfire and having them for dinner...when the DNR was informed they did nothing

A few years back a group of them tried to intimidate one my disabled Vietnam vet buddies out of his fishing spot on lake Michigan...They actual came up to him and demanded he leave as they were taking over the pier...Though my friend left his left leg in Vietnam to booby trapped 155 mm arty round...he had been an all state linebacker in high school.....he took the first Hmong and threw him off the pier where he fell 30 ft or so to the ice cold water...when he went for the others they turned and ran..he said they did not bother him too much after that..but they gave him dirty looks whenever they saw him...he figured some day they would come for revenge and so he packed a little extra 'comfort' in his tackle box from then on..though he said fishing there never did bring the same peace for him that it once had...so he eventually just gave in and found a place to fish where they weren't.

I could related to you a hundred more stories of the crimes they have committed in Wausau WI and none of them were arrested or charged...because of their race ...and their pampered status.

My favorite is the Hmong cop they hired who was found guilty of rape...but let off and the rape charge waved...as the liberal authorities decided that he had the right to rape the girl as it was part of his heritage and a tribal mating ritual...where a perspective groom has to kidnap the bride get her away from out from under her families nose to prove his worth...

Even though I believe she was only 14 or 15 at the time...this also was appropriate for Laos and so it was decided the crime would be overlooked and did not disqualify him for the job..

IMO after having observed him at work he was the most incompetent cop the town has ever hired and they have hired some real doozies

I once saw him stop a speeder and park his squad in the middle of the road just below a hill
cars going 35 mph barely had time to react as they came over the hill and encountered the squad...wasn't smart enough to pull off to the side of the road..even the guy he pulled over was smart enough for that..

Wisconsinites were sold out by Obey and that 150K of tax payers money they collected out of what was known as the Refugee Resettlement Fund..They were also eligible for large loans with little if any interest collateral or jobs..which have been often defaulted on...the tax payers again hit up for the interest and the principles...

Its interesting to observe them around town...though unemployed many drive luxury SUVs
and have some bought some large acreage and some upscale homes...

The libs have cooked up the story of how the live communally and pool their money...

No body digs too deeply as this automatically buys you a charge of "racism"

We can thank the likes of David Obey for this crap

100% IMO and Experience 1979-1999
29 posted on 11/21/2004 9:30:36 PM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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Chai Soua Vang, 36

Sounds like an immigrant name. It seems that many Asians give their USA born kids American names. I even know immigrants directly from China who went by names like Tommy, Johnny.

30 posted on 11/21/2004 9:33:09 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Cold Heat

The SKS is not by any means an AK-47 knockoff anymore than the M-14 is a knockoff of the M-16.

The SKS predates the AK-47 firstly. The other thing is the AK-47 fires automatic by design. Every SKS is made to fire only semi-auto. To fire fully automatic the SKS has to be re-engineered. Also the SKS is a tilt bolt design. The AK uses a rotating bolt. They share a gas piston, sight block design, and calibre. The similarities end there.

The chinese ones aren't the most accurate because it uses a pressed barrel but a decent Yugoslavian or Russian is as accurate as any carbine of it's day.


31 posted on 11/21/2004 9:34:09 PM PST by Bogey78O (Kerry surrendered Florida faster than he surrendered the Mekong Delta)
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To: Spanaway Lori

Excuse the bad taste, but I can't help remembering Tom Leher's "Deer Hunter Song"

People ask me how I do it and I say there's nothin' to it.
You just stand there lookin' cute, and when somethin´moves you shoot.
So I tied them to my bumper and got them home somehow...
Two game wardens, seven hunters and a pure-bred Guernsey cow.


32 posted on 11/21/2004 9:34:56 PM PST by rpgdfmx
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To: Cold Heat
The 7.62X39 ammo that this rifle shoots is just about the ballistic twin of a 30-30. It leaves the muzzle a little slower, but because of the difference in bullet construction, it pulls even with the 30-30 at a hundred yards.
The liberals will be calling this a high powered assault weapon when in truth it is considered just adequate for deer hunting. In the western US, it doesn't shoot flat enough or hit hard enough to be seriously considered for mule deer or elk. If he had been using one of my hunting rifles, all of these guys would be dead. This is a story about a man that got stupid and didn't want people telling him what he could and couldn't do. The rifle was just the tool he chose to use.
33 posted on 11/21/2004 9:39:52 PM PST by oldenuff2no (Proud Nam Vet)
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To: joesnuffy

Thanks for the details. Very Interesting !!!


34 posted on 11/21/2004 9:43:30 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (Technology advances but human nature is dependably stagnant)
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To: Honcho Bongs
"Most Hmong his age are immigrants."

He would have been ~6 y/o when he came here. He grew up here. just for perspective.

35 posted on 11/21/2004 9:47:20 PM PST by spunkets
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To: joesnuffy
Thanks for the local view.

When I read "Hmong Community" I thought "uh, oh, this sounds like yet another stupid liberal social experiment gone bad".

Since I'd pratically never heard of a "Hmong" I at least did a little reading about them, but mostly read about them being our allies in Vietnam.

Sounds like the mass Somali immigration to Maine, which, I believe was a State Dept. scheme. It ain't gonna work. They're gonna have to spread them out all over the country, or ship them back to where they came from.

It's okay if people dribble in and get assimilated, but you just can't import whole cultures, there will always be friction.

We really need to take a Borg attitude. YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED.

36 posted on 11/21/2004 9:51:34 PM PST by benjaminjjones
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To: craig61a

I guess this is why John Kerry crawls on his belly and uses a shotgun when he goes deer hunting.


37 posted on 11/21/2004 9:51:45 PM PST by spinestein (Trade liberty for security. Lose both. Deserve neither.)
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To: Monterrosa-24

How terrible! I hope they lynch this idiot!


38 posted on 11/21/2004 9:51:55 PM PST by WKUHilltopper
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To: joesnuffy

There is a public WMA near the Twin Cities, Carlos Avery. Not to many people hunt there during the firearms season anymore because the place is overrun by Hmongs, who have no sportsmanlike ethics, and opening day is like being in 'Nam. I'm surprised that something like this hasn't happened there, or more 'accidental' shootings haven't occured. And of course - if you were to report them you'd probably be told you are insensitive to their needs...


39 posted on 11/21/2004 9:58:25 PM PST by craig61a
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To: Bogey78O
Yeah, not familiar with the internals, my comment was more on the lines and looks.

I don't own one, but I have plinked with one. I suppose they would make a good brush gun, but I would much rather have a mini for that, or even a 30-30.

40 posted on 11/21/2004 10:01:18 PM PST by Cold Heat (There is more to do! "Mr. Kerry, about that Navy discharge?")
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To: benjaminjjones
It's okay if people dribble in and get assimilated, but you just can't import whole cultures, there will always be friction.

Exactly! What a stupid idea.

41 posted on 11/21/2004 10:11:36 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: craig61a
THE HMONG AN INTRODUCTION TO THEIR HISTORY AND CULTURE CULTURE PROFILE  

 

The community
as a whole
has achieved remarkable progress.

Introduction

In December 2003, the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok announced that a large group of Lao Hmong living at Wat Tham Krabok, a temple complex 80 miles north of Bangkok, would be considered for resettlement in the United States. The decision to resettle the Hmong was applauded by U.S. refugee advocacy groups, who had become concerned about conditions at the temple and the possibility that the Thai government would send the Hmong back to Laos.

The Hmong at Wat Tham Krabok are the last large group of Vietnam War-era refugees remaining in Southeast Asia. Their resettlement represents the final phase of a relief and resettlement program that began in 1975, when hundreds of thousands of refugees fled Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia after the fall of U.S.-supported governments there.

The Hmong from Wat Tham Krabok will be joining large and well-established Hmong communities in the United States. More than 186,000 Hmong men, women, and children live in the United States, according to the 2000 U.S. Census.1 While Hmong live throughout the United States, the majority are clustered in communities in three states: California, Minnesota, and Wisconsin.

MORE HERE: http://www.culturalorientation.net/hmong/hintro.html


42 posted on 11/21/2004 10:17:48 PM PST by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
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To: spunkets

Hmong are still coming here. Just a few months ago Appleton got another 200 or so that were living in camps in Thailand. Why Thailand kept them in camps is something no one talks about. That part of the world, like many other parts of the world, is racist and bigoted. The USA is a paradise compared to a lot of the rest of the world.


43 posted on 11/21/2004 10:18:33 PM PST by Honcho Bongs
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To: joesnuffy

Great post thanks!

Hmong = pint sized pests


44 posted on 11/21/2004 10:22:58 PM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations)
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To: beckett
This bizerk hunter just gave the anti-gun lobby the kind of story they would kill for.

Don't worry. The shooter was part of a protected class, a liberal class project so to speak. And the victims were not.

Not much will be made of this from the gun standpoint lest liberals upset Hmong cultural sensitivities.

If the shooter had been named Bubba Johnson, you'd be right though.

45 posted on 11/21/2004 10:23:40 PM PST by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
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To: Honcho Bongs

Yes, they have been let in again recently. They were cut off for a very long time, because of the liberals push from many countries that they should be reeducated and kept in indochina. That was regardless of the fact that they were being exterminated as part of that reeducation. I have a feeling this guy has been here for a long time and is involved in the recreational hard drug industry as a good customer and employee.


46 posted on 11/21/2004 10:34:41 PM PST by spunkets
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To: craig61a

This story is not just hugh, it's hmongous.


47 posted on 11/21/2004 10:35:13 PM PST by kanawa (Only losers look for exit strategies. Winners figure out how to win.)
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To: FITZ
"Chai Soua Vang, 36
Sounds like an immigrant name"

No, really???

48 posted on 11/21/2004 10:41:58 PM PST by StormEye
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To: craig61a

Probably a Vikings fan ...


49 posted on 11/21/2004 10:42:40 PM PST by JmyBryan
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To: spodefly
Wat Tum Krabok is a famous drug de-tox facility and many opiate addicted Hmong originally settled there , followed by their families and other relations. Eventually the population reached overwhelming numbers . But what really set the Thai Gov against their Hmong guests is that they found the Hmong were key players in the massive methamphetamine / yah-bah trade. There are good and noble Hmong and there are very evil and corrupt Hmong. The bad ones will bring the worst of the SEA drug trade qualities wherever they go. Local law enforcement should not go easy on these people , or they will never get control. Any Hmong that get busted for these sorts of crimes should be immediately deported directly back to Laos , not Thailand.
The threat of that fate would really keep them in line , because the Lao still kill them in the hills.One of the worst factors affecting young Hmong in America is that the youth listen to non-stop gangsta rap music and then want to imitate their criminal role models . They will take what they are impressed by to even greater depravity in order to
try to me more like 'Americans'...give me a break....
50 posted on 11/21/2004 10:48:45 PM PST by injin
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