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**U.S.S. PUEBLO (NOW IN NORTH KOREA) SHOWN ON N. KOREAN TV YESTERDAY (Video Stream Here)**
NORTH KOREAN TV (November 20, 2004) Video Stream ^ | 20 November 2004 | AmericanInTokyo

Posted on 11/21/2004 8:51:04 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo

Here (by URL listed below and by direct link, above) is the North Korean TV news in prime time for November 20, 2004 (local time). It contains an interesting, short report of a minor African delegation paying a visit that day to the seized U.S.S. Pueblo , captured by Communist North Korea in 1968 and now relocated by the enemy to a tourist spot on the Taedong River in the capital city of Pyongyang.

Foreigners in North Korea are often taken to this American ship to see the damage to the craft from the attack, the interior of the ship, special communications rooms, the signed "confessions" of U.S. crew, etc., and of course to receive a hefty dose of DPRK propaganda.

Cut, paste and play in Microsoft Windows Media.

NOTE: FAST FORWARD AFTER FULL LOADING, TO THE 17:35 MINUTE MARK. YOU CAN SEE IT UNTIL THE 18:35 MARK.

The communist North Korean TV video report showing the USS Pueblo yesterday, lasts one minute:

http://www.pyonkoma.com/houdou8.asf


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: broadcast; bucher; dprk; enemy; kimjongil; northkorea; pueblo; pyongyang; tv; usnavy; usspueblo
The URL link will last a day or so but not much longer.
1 posted on 11/21/2004 8:51:05 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: TigerLikesRooster; Steel Wolf; yonif; SevenofNine; OahuBreeze

heads up folks


2 posted on 11/21/2004 8:51:49 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I'll take 1 good "LET'S ROLL!" over 1,000 meaningless & vulgar "ALLAH AHKBAR"'s, any day!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Site Meter Why is this a big deal?
3 posted on 11/21/2004 8:54:19 PM PST by KMC1
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To: KMC1

You can probably ask them by e mail, but I doubt you will get a reply.


4 posted on 11/21/2004 8:56:21 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I'll take 1 good "LET'S ROLL!" over 1,000 meaningless & vulgar "ALLAH AHKBAR"'s, any day!)
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To: F15Eagle

Tree bark cooking parties definitely have fallen out of style.


6 posted on 11/21/2004 8:58:23 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I'll take 1 good "LET'S ROLL!" over 1,000 meaningless & vulgar "ALLAH AHKBAR"'s, any day!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo; All

OH OH look who on Little Kim backyardddd

Rackk US Navyyyyy


7 posted on 11/21/2004 8:59:22 PM PST by SevenofNine ("Not everybody , in it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Amazing to see a regieme waste so much money on keeping the old tub afloat when within the last decade they twice nearly met their demise from starvation,...and only saved by US charity.


8 posted on 11/21/2004 8:59:24 PM PST by Cvengr (;^))
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To: Cvengr

You do realize that once uopn a time an Ambassador from a communist East Bloc nation (some 10 or so years ago?) told the North Koreans, it was his opinion they should knock off all the Kim dynasty idolotry, and melt down some of their huge Kim il Sung statues made of gold, and reinvest that money into paying off their Soviet debts and developing their infrastructure. He was recalled to his country upon protest by the Norkors.


11 posted on 11/21/2004 9:02:22 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I'll take 1 good "LET'S ROLL!" over 1,000 meaningless & vulgar "ALLAH AHKBAR"'s, any day!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Just to save the USS Pueblo would be enough reason to invade NK and kick Mr. Ronery's @ss.

Either that or a cruise missile to put it out of its misery.

NK and Iran have been on my s-list for a long time.

Stay safe in Tokyo.


12 posted on 11/21/2004 9:03:07 PM PST by exit82 (Righteousness exalts a nation...... Proverbs 14:34)
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To: exit82

dont worry, it is coming


13 posted on 11/21/2004 9:04:05 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I'll take 1 good "LET'S ROLL!" over 1,000 meaningless & vulgar "ALLAH AHKBAR"'s, any day!)
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To: KMC1

It would seem to be another goad at the US. Pay up or else we'll make more nukes and sell same to terrorists. A glass parking lot over there would be nice.


14 posted on 11/21/2004 9:08:42 PM PST by hershey
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To: KMC1

Witness the mighty North Korean Navy!!! Fear them!!!


15 posted on 11/21/2004 9:09:02 PM PST by fix
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To: AmericanInTokyo

http://www.usspueblo.org/

16 posted on 11/21/2004 9:14:28 PM PST by Incorrigible (immanentizing the eschaton)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

0647Z Not even a day or so. No link. no contact.


17 posted on 11/21/2004 9:16:14 PM PST by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but have recently come to my senses.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

We could augment their exhibit with a live demonstration of a MOAB on Chia Pet's palace.


18 posted on 11/21/2004 9:17:29 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Time to let slip the dogs...)
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To: KMC1
From:    USS PUEBLO (AGER-2)

Pueblo Incident

Introduction

by Skip Schumacher

The USS PUEBLO, which was captured by the North Koreans in 1968, was the first U.S. Navy ship to be hi-jacked on the high seas by a foreign military force in over 150 years. To date, the capture has resulted in no reprisals against the North Koreans; no military action was taken at the time, or at any later date. This lack of military response guarantees the Pueblo’s place in history as a watershed event in our national conscience.

~snip~

...to understand the context of its mission, one simply has to be aware of the fate of the USS LIBERTY, a much larger ship on a similar mission, which was badly damaged by the Israelis a mere seven months before the Pueblo itself was hi-jacked. The Liberty lost 34 men during their battle (the Pueblo lost one), but managed to keep their ship afloat and meekly make it back to port.

~snip~

Pueblo Incident:   Attacked by North Korean Military Forces

The USS PUEBLO's first operational mission was conceived by the and was tasked through the Naval Security Group Command. This first mission was primarily a period for training and testing. With no current information available on hostile activities by North Korean forces, the officer in charge at US CINCPACFLT assigned the mission a risk assessment of  minimal. All attempts by PUEBLO's commanding officer to upgrade this assessment to hazardous were rebuffed.

Like the USS LIBERTY AGTR-5, PUEBLO operated under the assumtion that help would be available if needed. The US 7th Fleet, US Forces Korea, and the US 5th Air Force, Fuchu, Japan were informed of PUEBLO’s mission, but because of the minimal risk assessment, the US Navy made no specific requests for support. The tasking for similar USS BANNER missions had been rated as hazardous, and fighter aircraft had been made available on a strip alert status and 2 US Navy destroyers had maintained station within 50 miles of BANNER. When 5th Air Force personnel questioned the lack of request for strip alert status for PUEBLO’s mission, they were verbally informed that they would not be needed.

In addition to the lack of ready protection, the US Navy maintained the same communications procedures and methods for the PUEBLO mission as LIBERTY had operated under during her fateful mission of  June 1967. The PUEBLO's inability to establish reliable communications with a higher command authority would be a similar repeat of the problems that contributed to the lack of help for LIBERTY. Unfortunately, it appears nothing was learned from the LIBERTY incident.

19 posted on 11/21/2004 9:20:52 PM PST by RebelTex (Freedom is Everyone's Right... ...and Everyone's Responsibility!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Geez. Their news is as boring as ours.

Link up and running but I zoned out to Mr. hairdo @ 3 min. Why can't they have a N. Korean Laurie Dhue host it?

20 posted on 11/21/2004 9:21:58 PM PST by SquirrelKing ("I have to march because my mother couldn't have an abortion." - Maxine Waters (D-California)
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To: Cvengr
Amazing to see a regieme waste so much money on keeping the old tub afloat when within the last decade they twice nearly met their demise from starvation,...and only saved by US charity.

It's not an old tub. Its still a commissioned United States Navy vessel. It is the property of the American people, its partially your property.

The foreigners who visited it while it remains illegally held should be barred from entering the United States ever.
21 posted on 11/21/2004 9:32:16 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: KMC1
Site Meter Why is this a big deal?

Because that is a commissioned U.S. Navy vessel that is still active. It belongs to us. Anyone who visits it while it remaines illegally held should be barred from visiting the US ever.
22 posted on 11/21/2004 9:34:07 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Arkinsaw

Sorry to disagree, but when we're at sea chipping paint, including periods when the damned ship had just been thoroughly overhauled and retrofitted, it becomes thoroughly embedded upon one's soul that ships always require maintenance to stay afloat.


23 posted on 11/21/2004 9:35:59 PM PST by Cvengr (;^))
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To: RebelTex
The asshole who sent the U.S.S. Pueblo to North Korea with inadequate armament worked across the desk from my father at the Pentagon. My father urged him to fix the problem before the ship was deployed. In the end, the asshole who made the bad decision made Captain.
24 posted on 11/21/2004 10:02:54 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Bump!


25 posted on 11/21/2004 10:03:35 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Why isn't this a target for a cruise missile?


26 posted on 11/21/2004 10:05:58 PM PST by Tax Government (Boycott and defeat the Legacy Media. Become a monthly contributor to FR.)
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To: Cvengr
Sorry to disagree, but when we're at sea chipping paint, including periods when the damned ship had just been thoroughly overhauled and retrofitted, it becomes thoroughly embedded upon one's soul that ships always require maintenance to stay afloat.

She is still an active commissioned US warship regardless of her physical condition. As such, she is ours. We should have fought to retrieve her when she was illegally seized. We should have retaken her when she was moved through international waters in recent years. Allowing a US warship to remain in the hands of pirates was and is a dishonor.

I look forward to the day when this "tub" reenters a US port with her ensign flying. I hope she outlasts the pirate regime that holds her captive.

USS Pueblo
27 posted on 11/21/2004 10:32:21 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Tax Government
Why isn't this a target for a cruise missile?

She's still an active US Navy vessel. She'll be returned to her home port someday with her ensign flying when the regime who pirated her goes down or she'll go down at the hands of the enemy.
28 posted on 11/21/2004 10:34:23 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Arkinsaw

I picture a day when it will be broght back home.


29 posted on 11/21/2004 10:49:14 PM PST by oyez (¡Qué viva la revolución de Reagan!)
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To: Calpernia; Alabama MOM; Velveeta; Revel; callmejoe; appalachian_dweller; lacylu; jerseygirl; ...

A must read thread, I learned several things.


30 posted on 11/21/2004 10:56:15 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (Today, please pray for God's miracle, we are not going to make it without him.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

"A must read thread, I learned several things."

At the time this happened I was on active duty. My first impression was that the ship would be returned by force if necessary, shortly after it's seizure. As weeks wore on it became apparent that nothing would be done.


31 posted on 11/21/2004 11:07:25 PM PST by Inge_CAV
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To: Inge_CAV
At the time this happened I was on active duty. My first impression was that the ship would be returned by force if necessary, shortly after it's seizure. As weeks wore on it became apparent that nothing would be done.

Indeed. But a few years ago she was transported through international waters, through the Sea of Japan, around South Korea, from Wonson to Pyongyang. When she reentered international waters we should have liberated her. Rumor was that she was wired with explosives and there was also a rumor that they put children on board. Perhaps I am harsh, but she should have been intercepted and the attempt made to retake her at that point.
32 posted on 11/21/2004 11:14:00 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Myrddin
" In the end, the asshole who made the bad decision made Captain.

Unfortunately, there will always be some who can work the system. It's too bad that your father's advice wasn't heeded.

From my earlier post: 

With no current information available on hostile activities by North Korean forces, the officer in charge at US CINCPACFLT assigned the mission a risk assessment of  minimal. All attempts by PUEBLO's commanding officer to upgrade this assessment to hazardous were rebuffed.

and this:

The tasking for similar USS BANNER missions had been rated as hazardous, and fighter aircraft had been made available on a strip alert status and 2 US Navy destroyers had maintained station within 50 miles of BANNER.

Since no protection at all was provided for her, it's almost as if someone wanted the Pueblo to be captured or sunk.  But, why?   The real answers may be in hidden classified documents that might exist.  It would be good to know the complete story.  It is an embarrassment that NK still has possession of her.

33 posted on 11/21/2004 11:17:15 PM PST by RebelTex (Freedom is Everyone's Right... ...and Everyone's Responsibility!)
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To: Arkinsaw

I believe LBJ was president when it was captured and I am guessing that it was Clinton in office when it was moved. If Nixon had been president when it was captured, I do not think he would have allowed them to get away with it.


34 posted on 11/21/2004 11:20:36 PM PST by Inge_CAV
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To: RebelTex
My father probably knew the whole story. Unfortunately, he died Dec 17, 2003. I can't ask him. I know the name of the individual who made the bad decision. It's probably not wise to expose that information.
35 posted on 11/21/2004 11:52:33 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: F15Eagle

Naw, it's a stirring rendition of "The Great Leader Kims Divine Spirit is Guiding The World To Perfection". The "new country" version.


36 posted on 11/22/2004 3:50:00 AM PST by SirLurkedalot (Kevin Sites is an a**hole.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny; AmericanInTokyo

Bump. Very interesting.


37 posted on 11/22/2004 5:33:34 AM PST by Velveeta
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To: BIGLOOK

URL link to the North Korean video on this story still works (as of 0900 Eastern US time, Monday). it might be your specific equipment or perhaps you don't have Windows Media format, or some other explanation?


38 posted on 11/22/2004 5:59:16 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I'll take 1 good "LET'S ROLL!" over 1,000 meaningless & vulgar "ALLAH AHKBAR"'s, any day!)
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To: Myrddin
"It's probably not wise to expose that information."

Without knowing more of the story, I agree.   You might be able to get more information by communicating with the vets who set up the Pueblo website.  They are trying to piece together as much of what happened as they can discover.  You may have some info that they can use.  I'm sure they would be grateful for your input.  Here's a link to their website: 

        USS PUEBLO (AGER-2)

39 posted on 11/22/2004 11:41:55 AM PST by RebelTex (Freedom is Everyone's Right... ...and Everyone's Responsibility!)
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To: RebelTex
I've passed the name to the contact listed on their web page. The vets will have to do the legwork. I'm only privvy to the information because it was discussed over dinner as the Pueblo events unfolded. I have an iron clad memory of my father's dismay.
40 posted on 11/22/2004 1:14:53 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Cvengr
Amazing to see a regieme waste so much money on keeping the old tub afloat when within the last decade they twice nearly met their demise from starvation,...and only saved by US charity

Are you kidding, this is the best ship in their whole military.

41 posted on 11/22/2004 1:17:56 PM PST by mware
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To: Inge_CAV
Thank you for reading my mind, I was setting here trying to recall who the President was.

After all the secrets clinton sold to China, it does not surprise me that LBJ gave them a ship.

Amazing how I lived through some of the attacks on the U.S. and missed knowing what the real meaning of the incident was.
42 posted on 11/22/2004 1:28:16 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (Today, please pray for God's miracle, we are not going to make it without him.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

43 posted on 11/22/2004 1:29:37 PM PST by loveitor.. ("I will leave with the greatest love for this country of ours..." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Velveeta; Revel; Calpernia

Did a google, and the first page is here, very interesting.

Web
Results 1 - 10 of about 254 for declassified cia uss pueblo. (0.59 seconds)

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USS Pueblo in Wonsan Harbor
... time that A-12 Imagery from the CIA version of the SR-71 and the first time that
the declassified imagery from the National Archives of the USS Pueblo has been ...
www.globalsecurity.org/intell/ library/imint/pueblo-imagery-1.htm - 13k - Nov 21,
2004 - Cached - Similar pages

Alexa Web Search - Subjects > Society > ... > Regional > North ...
... USS Pueblo Provides background information on the USS Pueblo, a US Navy spy
ship ...
CIA and the U-2 Program, 1954-1974 A recently declassified CIA internal history ...
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... Declassified A12 Imagery of the USS Pueblo in Wonson Harbor. ... On 08 May
1968,
Jack Layton (CIA) flew one mission over North Korea. ...
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... In Inside CIA's Private World: Declassified Articles from the ... concerns the
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44 posted on 11/22/2004 2:02:12 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (Today, please pray for God's miracle, we are not going to make it without him.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

BTTT


45 posted on 11/22/2004 2:42:42 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Thanks for the link. http://www.usspueblo.org/

Just read some of the guest comments left there. The comments confirm what I thought was going to happen right after the capture of the USS Pueblo. Why the ship was not retaken I have no idea but the failure to act was the main reason I did not make a career of the military.


46 posted on 11/22/2004 3:08:47 PM PST by Inge_CAV
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To: RebelTex

We should sink her.


47 posted on 11/22/2004 3:13:11 PM PST by I got the rope
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