Posted on 11/22/2004 1:15:09 PM PST by mr. mojo risin
Have not seen/read/heard any mention of JFK assassination.
The filtered records sealed till 2038.
Curious, all the press about Senator Arlen Specter, and hardly any mention of his "magic bullet" theory.
Did find this book on a search, yet another theory:
http://shop.wnd.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=1338
Only a tiny amount of records remain sealed...mostly involving sources and methods...I know, I was involved in this effort in the 90s. We got about all we're gonna get...about the only real source of interest that we won't see in our lifetime is Jackie's diary, which gets released 50 years after Caroline dies...interesting, eh?
There was a thread a while ago with a new JFK assasination VIDEO game. Released today.
yea...don't forget the Easter bunny....
...and Oswald didn't hit crap...he was never in the window.
period.
?........Was the real 'JFK' in Dallas on Nov.22, 1963.....?
/Art Bell
My diseased next door neighbor was a very high ranking Navy Intelligence Officer who actually interrogated Oswald BEFORE the JFK assassination. I asked him if he knew who killed JFK and he told me that without any question THEY knew who was behind the JFK assassination. Further, when I asked if he could tell me who it was, he said without reservation that the plot was masterminded by the New Orleans mobster, Carlos Marcello. Since then I have read quite a few account that say the same thing. Here is one of them:
"The most interesting information came from New Orleans where Oswald had lived when he returned from Russia. Carlos Marcello, the Louisiana mob boss, hated Bobby Kennedy for kidnapping him and having him deported to Guatemala. When Carlos sneaked back into the U.S., Bobby nailed him again.
"Take the stone out of my shoe!" he cursed to his friends in Italian. "Don't worry about that little Bobby son of a bitch. He's going to be taken care of." The friend realized that Marcello's assassination plan was already developed because he said he was planning to use "a nut" to carry out the plan, rather than one of his own men.
Gentry points out that Marcello was not talking about getting rid of Bobby, but the president: "'The dog will keep biting if you only cut off its tail," Marcello explained. "If they hit Bobby, Jack would retaliate with the Army and the Marines. But if the dog's head were cut off, he added, the whole dog would die."
Jack Ruby's ties to organized crime were very significant, although the FBI heard about them from a reporter rather than its own files. Ruby also had close ties with Marcello's organization, as did Oswald's uncle in New Orleans. Oswald's own mother was a close friend of gangster Sam Termine who worked for Marcello."
?........Was the real 'Oswald' in Dallas on Nov.22, 1963.....?
/Art Bell
I'm not sure why I should care about the JFK assassination. There must be something wrong with me.
IF there's nothing much there,
then why not open the all of the files?
then why not open the all of the files?
.......Well,....I think all of 'the' files are with JFK's brain...
(That's a ....No Brainer...)
/sarcasm
Then again,.....they my be in Sandy Burgur's other sock?
Have you read Michael T. Griffith's "A Brief Review of Gerald Posner's Book CASE CLOSED"? Here are a few of his observations:
"In light of Dr. David Mantik's discovery at the National Archives that the single-bullet theory is very probably a physical impossibility, any book that posits only one gunman is on shaky ground from the outset. Harrison Livingstone explains Dr. Mantik's discovery:
Mantik measured the width of the spine directly on the X-ray. He estimated the front-to-back distance of the body as 14 cm (typical for males of this size) and the distance of the back wound from the midline (4.5 cm to 5.0 cm) was given by the HSCA. He measured distances on the photographs as well. The wound seen in the front of the throat at Parkland was placed at the midline. [Quoting Dr. Mantik] "When I placed these measurements onto a cross section of the body at the seventh cervical vertebra and then connected the bullet entry and exit by a straight line, I immediately saw that the 'magic' bullet had to go right through the spine. This path would have caused major damage to the spine and would have been very obvious on the chest X-ray. In fact, there is no major trauma like this anywhere in the spine."
"Because of the impenetrable vertical barrier produced by the transverse processes up and down the entire cervical spine and because of the total width of the cervical spine, there is no place for the bullet to pass through anywhere in the neck and still exit the midline of the throat. If, instead, the upper chest (thoracic spine) is considered as a possible bullet trajectory site, then another problem arises. The bullet would have to go right through the lung. But no lung damage of this type was seen by the pathologists and none is seen on the X-rays either This 'magic' bullet simply cannot enter through the back wound and then exit through the throat wound without hitting the spine--or else causing major lung trauma."
"It is odd that this rather simple reconstruction with exact measurements has never been done before. Its very simplicity, however, provides direct evidence that the object which entered the back could not have exited at the front of the throat." (KILLING KENNEDY AND THE HOAX OF THE CENTURY, New York: Carroll and Graf, 1995, pp. 93-94)
This point can't be overemphasized. Without the single-bullet theory, there can be no lone-gunman scenario. It is as simple and telling as that. Even supporters of the WC admitted long ago that if the single-bullet theory were wrong, then there had to be more than one gunman firing at President Kennedy. Since the theory is very likely impossible, we can be virtually certain that more than one gunman was involved in the assassination. Hence, there is really no need to even discuss Posner's book, since its foundational assumption, that there was only one gunman, is almost certainly wrong. However, because the book continues to be viewed by some as the best defense of the single-assassin theory available, let us now examine a few of the errors the work contains:
* In his illustration titled "The Escape" (p. 481), Posner shows the lone gunman (supposedly Oswald) moving in a straight line from the sixth-floor sniper's nest to the rifle's hiding place. But photos of the sixth floor taken soon after the shooting prove that this would have been impossible because of row after row of stacks of boxes. The ONLY clear path from the sniper's nest ran along the east wall and then the north wall. This, in fact, is the route that WC supporters like Gary Savage and Todd Vaughan believe the gunman would have had to use. The difference is substantial. Posner's route is only about 80-85 feet long, but the clear route would have been 150-155 feet long. To examine the clear photographic evidence on the escape route, see Gary Savage's book FIRST DAY EVIDENCE, pp. 165-175, photos 54-66.
* In his illustration titled "View from above" (p. 479), which is part of his single-bullet graphics, Posner has Governor John Connally rotated nearly haflway to his right at Zapruder frame 224. Posner does this in order to explain how a bullet exiting Kennedy's throat could have struck Connally near his right armpit. However, frame 224 does not show Connally in this position. Connally's shoulders appear to be nearly square to both the bubble-top support bar and to the windshield's sun vizors, both of which run perfectly horizontally across the car. FBI photographic expert Lyndal Shaneyfelt told the WC that Connally was facing pretty much straight ahead in frame 224.
* In the abovementioned illustration for Z224, Posner also has Connally shifted several inches to the left, so much so that he is nearly sitting in the middle of the limousine. However, this frame clearly shows no such thing. Connally is not sitting that far to the left.
* Posner assumes that Kennedy and Connally were hit by the same bullet (the so-called magic bullet) in Zapruder frame 224 (pp. 327-333). Posner posits this theory because he believes Connally's lapel flips up at frame 224 and that this motion was caused by the exiting of a bullet from Connally's chest. However, Connally himself, after carefully studying the Zapruder film, insisted he was NOT hit prior to frame 231. The lapel flip could have been caused by a gust of wind from the stiff breeze that was blowing in Dealey Plaza at the time.
Also, if a bullet did cause the lapel flip, then that missile could not have been the same bullet that struck President Kennedy in the back. In frame 225, as Kennedy emerges from behind the road sign, we see, at the very least, that he has brought his right arm down, bent his forearm inward, and has his hand close to his chest (he was in the process of reaching for his throat). His left hand is at least at the level of his diaphragm. Kennedy could not have brought even his right arm to its Z225 position as a result of a Z224 bullet hit, nor from a hit at Z223.19. Dr. Roger McCarthy, a ballistics expert, has observed that it would have taken Kennedy at least 3 frames to move hands and arms in response to a shot in the back, and that the latest Kennedy could have been hit was at Z221. The fastest reflex reaction known to modern medicine is the eyeblink, which occurs in 40-50 milliseconds. That's slightly less than the time span of one Zapruder frame. If he had been struck at Z224, Kennedy could not have stopped waving, brought his right arm down, bent his forearm inward, and moved his hand close to his chest in less than 2-3 frames. Zapruder's camera operated at right around 18.3 frames per second. This means that Kennedy would have had no more than 2 frames, or no more than 1/9th of a second, to assume his Z225 position.
Some WC supporters have opined that the bullet would have tranisted Kennedy at Z223.19. But this still would not have given him enough time to react as we see him doing in Z225. It's a physical impossibility.
* Posner assumes throughout his book that Oswald had the marksmanship ability to perform the assassination in 5.6 to 8.4 seconds. But Oswald was regarded as a rather poor shot in the Marines, as well as by those who later knew him in Russia. Not even world-class, Master-rated marksmen have been able to duplicate Oswald's alleged feat. For that matter, no rifle test has simulated all of the conditions under which Oswald supposedly fired. The closest thing to a realistic simulation was the CBS rifle test held in 1967, in which eleven expert marksmen fired at moving targets from the required height and distances. NOT ONE OF THEM succeeded in scoring at least two hits out of three shots in less than 6 seconds on the first attempt, but Oswald would have had only one attempt. "
My Dad always said it was the Cubans, for what it's worth.
There was a special on ABC last year called "Beyond Conspiracy". Have you seen it? A scientist recreated the entire episode based on the Zapruder film and came to the same conclusion as Posner.
When experts have tried to duplicate the results with the same brand of rifle found, it jams like 3/8ths of the time. The chances Oswald got off 3 shots in 6 seconds is next to impossible.
LOL...Actually, it is believed that Dan Rather passed away shortly after President Bush was elected the first time.
Today, CBS Evening Snooze is anchored by a computer animation figure generated at Industrial Light & Magic of Marin County, California...
Stylin19a:
Garrison did actually make some seemingly non-sequitor comments about Marcello:
"[Garrison] went on to state that at one point early in his investigation he had considered looking into a possible connection to the President's assassination involving Marcello, noting that Ferrie had been somewhat close to him. Garrison stated however that "that trail didn't lead anywhere; we could find no leads" to pursue it and thus dropped the Marcello possibility. Garrison stated that if he had found any information relating to Marcello, he would have definitely pursued it.
When asked if he believed Marcello was a man capable of
having President Kennedy murdered, Garrison did not
directly answer the question. Garrison stated that he
has "certainly heard" that Marcello may have once been
involved in some kind of criminal activity years ago. He
stated that he has some reason to believe that some of
Marcello's money was obtained through criminal acts many
years ago. Garrison further stated that he has heard of
allegations linking Marcello to organized crime and the
Mafia, but does not know if they are true. He stated
that he has heard over the years that Marcello may be a
man of significant wealth, and may in fact be one of
Louisiana's wealthier citizens. He stated that Marcello
is not active in real estate and is a businessman.
When asked again if he believes that Marcello had the
motive and means to assassinate President Kennedy,
Garrison again did not respond to the question, and began
talking about another subject at length.
Garrison was shown the alleged David Ferrie flight plan
listing a passenger named "Hidell." When asked if he
remembers this item from his files, Garrison stated that
he believes so. After examining it at length, Garrison
stated that it was from his files but that he cannot
recall whether or not his staff was able to authenticate
it.
Garrison further stated that he tends to think that they
were never able to determine if the document was genuine.
He stated, after reviewing it again at length, that it
looked quite credible, and that it made sense in some
ways. He also stated that his staff had found that
Ferrie sometimes did not file flight plans. He said that
he hopes the Select Committee pursues the document.
At one point, Garrison also stated that the federal
government has enormous power to "discredit" a person,
particularly the CIA, and that he was the subject of such
discrediting actions during his investigation. He stated
that he was even "linked" to bribes from Carlos Marcello
in the national press, articles which he believes were
not coincidental because they "were so closely
coordinated in timing." He stated that the articles
alleged that he had protected Marcello for a number of
years as District Attorney of New Orleans. Garrison
stated that if this were true, and if he had been bribed
by Marcello, "I would have retired on the money long ago.
I wouldn't have this job." When asked if he had ever met
Marcello, Garrison stated that he believes he may have
met him once or twice on the street or at a political
gathering."
No, I did not see ABC's "Beyond Conspiracy", but I did read the following which had a rather unflattering opinion of the Peter Jenning's special:
http://tinyurl.com/3rmc6
But ... this isn't a round anniversary, so it's natural that it doesn't attract much attention. Wait until 2013. By that point there will be a lot of boomers retired with time on their hands, too. And by then the Kennedy gang may have scraped up another heir to pin their hopes on.
I never could understand how Oswald a marginal Marine got to go to Soviet Russia at one of the most hostile times in our two nations histories...
He renounced his US citizenship...gets into Russia marries a high ranking Soviet Army officer's daughter...then they both get to come back to the USA as if this were no big deal...
This at a time when it would have been nearly impossible for any America to get in and out as Owald did...nor would the Soviets so easily allow one of their own to leave as Mrs. Oswald was allowed to...
imo
They planted the wrong rifle, then its debatable whether that MC was what was actually seen first. I think the first report was of a Mauser, but I could be wrong about the name. At any rate, from what I've read, a MC is not what the first ones on the scene identified.
Oswald may have had that weapon and have been waiting for something to do with it, but I highly doubt that weapon killed Kennedy. The head shot is so obviously one from the front/side, anyway.
It's major historical interest is that it was a successful coup d'etat, effectively destroying (for the next 37 years, at least) the US foundation as a Christian nation and the principles of our Constitution as originally intended by the Founders.
While President Reagan broke the back of the Liberal insurgent regime that took power after the coup, repairs by Slick Willie Clintoon restored hope to the insurgency. It's up to President Bush now, to put the mortal kabosh on the Liberal Loons and restore our Nation to it's original path & destiny.
That's why...
A few tweaks and this could be used to recreate Chappaquidick.
I wondered what Max Headroom was up to these days...
You've convinced me. I'm never wasting another minute of my life on this story again.
Was Kennedy in the 'real' Dallas on that day?
The History Channel had a two hour program on the other night about the assassination. The program is a series called "Conspiracy." It was pretty detailed, using computer graphics to prove their belief that Oswald acted alone. As many times as I've seen the Zapruder film, the computer graphic they used was pretty convincing, and showed how the 2nd shot went through Kennedy and then hit Connelly.
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You don't screw over the mafia, and live to tell about it. Throw in a little cooperation from some high powered government intelligence officials and some of the powers that be in Texas, and you have the answer to who killed JFK.
Read "Blood, Money & Power" by Barr McCLellan. He was an attorney for JFK who started to work for LBJ's crew in 1966 and after hearing things for several years started to add them together.
His answer is LBJ through Cliff Carter, Mac Wallace (a convicted killer whose finger prints were found in the shooters nest) and others. Cliff Carter was the organizer, the lead attorney with the power in Texas to make murder into suicide, when necessary. (LBJ did NOT know the details, he was kept ignorant of details).
LBJ and Hoover were the men who collected the evidence, who called police chiefs and said you have your man, who called a surgeon and asked for a death bed confession after Oswald was shot.
The answer is obvious. It will take time to get the MSN to admit it. Just think, a GUILTY POTUS. The gatekeepers will NOT allow this story to see the light.
That's where the internet comes in. The cat is out of the bag.
One of the biggest things is that the finger prints were unmatched until someone got the idea of Mac Wallace. An independent expert (who did not know details) said they were a match, the information was given to Dallas police (still an unsolved murder), they sent it to the FBI and the FBI took 18 months and then said, NO MATCH!!!! Just more proof of how you pull off a conspiracy.
Mac Wallace's finger print is the smoking gun! He is tied to LBJ in a big way.
By the way, this story was aired on the History Channel last year. It was called the GUILTY MEN but was removed after pressure from some of LBJ's liars. The History Channel appologized to Lady Bird and no longer sells the episode. Many of us have copies of that episode.
At first the HISTORY CHANNEL said it was carefully researched and aired it.
Now, it's taboo.
Barr McClellan has said since then with the pressure on the HISTORY CHANNEL and him, "WE" must be getting close. "THEY" are getting nervous.
By the way, HISTORY will treat us as fools IF we continue to buy off conspiracy theories when the GOVERNMENT investigations supply BS as the solution.
The answers are obvious when you throw all the pieces of the puzzle out on the floor.
When you hear conspiracy, think POTUS, he's the ONLY one with enough power to make lies into truth.
Regards
dont forget that the State Dept. lent him $1000 to come back...and never got repaid...or any evidence that they asked for it.
except the frame they use to show that they were "lined up" is AFTER the frame where you see Connally's cheeks puffing out from the collapse of his lung.
The problem with these "convincing computer programs" is that THEY DO NOT MATCH THE Z-FILM...
GIGO
It wasn't the Cubans...
1. They don't have the power to operate the cover-up...you think Hoover would have let that go?
2. Why would they want Johnson as president?
The key to the JFK assn. is "Cui bono?" Who benefits?
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