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Crackdown targets knife culture
BBC ^ | 11/22/04 | Unknown

Posted on 11/22/2004 4:41:35 PM PST by scouse

Crackdown targets knife culture

First Minister Jack McConnell has announced a five-point programme to clamp down on knife crime.

The maximum jail term for possessing an offensive weapon will be doubled from two years to four under the proposals.

He wants to ban the sale of swords and introduce a licensing scheme for retailers selling knives.

He also announced plans to give police more powers of search and arrest and to increase the age limit for buying a knife from 16 to 18.

The new measures are being drawn up by a cabinet sub-committee chaired by Justice Minister Cathy Jamieson.

The cabinet agreed to establish the group last Wednesday when it received a stark presentation about knife crime in Glasgow from Strathclyde Police.

Offensive weapon

"We had a particular discussion on the issue of knife crime recently and we have agreed a package of measures that we will be consulting on early in the New Year," said Mr McConnell.

"We will be putting forward the action we believe is required to tackle the scandalously high level of knife crime in Scotland."

He said that 50% of the homicides in Scotland in 2002 were caused by knives or other sharp instruments.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; knives; scotland
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Looks like the end of dirks and claymores. Alas poor Braveheart!
1 posted on 11/22/2004 4:41:35 PM PST by scouse
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To: scouse

More wisdom from the land of hooliganism.


2 posted on 11/22/2004 4:43:22 PM PST by AreaMan
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To: scouse

If this keeps up, I'm waiting on the ban on sticks and stones.


3 posted on 11/22/2004 4:44:15 PM PST by ocr1
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To: scouse

Within five years, this headline on the Beeb: "Crackdown targets club culture," talking about the rapidly increasing incidence of people using clubs, cudgels, table legs, hammers, and other large blunt objects to commit crimes (or more likely, to defend themselves).

Remember, when morningstars are outlawed, only outlaws will have morningstars!

}:-)4


4 posted on 11/22/2004 4:44:36 PM PST by Moose4 (I'm not white trash. I'm Caucasian recyclables.)
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To: scouse

aha but the market for pointy sticks will increase dramatically.


5 posted on 11/22/2004 4:45:04 PM PST by MD_Willington_1976
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To: scouse
When knives are outlawed, only outlaws will have knives.

What next, criminalizing big sticks of wood?

6 posted on 11/22/2004 4:45:08 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Free Republic is 21st Century Samizdat)
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To: scouse
Note to First Minister Jack McConnell:
Mandate that all knives be made out of Nerf. Problem solved.
7 posted on 11/22/2004 4:45:15 PM PST by AreaMan
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To: scouse
Not to mention, (by extension) the common pocket knives, nail files, steak knives...

Slippery slope.

Where does it end?
8 posted on 11/22/2004 4:46:05 PM PST by konaice
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To: scouse

Cricket bats are next; followed by rolling pins, cast iron pans, hammers, scissors, hedge trimmers,etc.


9 posted on 11/22/2004 4:46:16 PM PST by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: scouse

ban criminals


10 posted on 11/22/2004 4:46:21 PM PST by dasboot
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee

This is what happens when gun control finally goes far enough.


11 posted on 11/22/2004 4:46:44 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: scouse

Does this mean those under 18 must have parental permission to eat at a resturant? I guess there is going to be a booming business in finger food. Fish and chips anyone?


12 posted on 11/22/2004 4:46:53 PM PST by killjoy (I'm John Kerry and I'm relieved of duty.)
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To: Calamari

... rocks, and finally, fists and feet.


13 posted on 11/22/2004 4:47:11 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: scouse

The British will be back to getting their food by throwing rocks and eating with their fingers soon, that is, unless the criminals steal all their rocks and fingers.


14 posted on 11/22/2004 4:47:19 PM PST by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: Moose4

What are they going to do about us martial arts devotees?

I can't believe this article is not satire.


15 posted on 11/22/2004 4:47:35 PM PST by shubi (Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom,must undergo the fatigues of supporting it.)
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To: scouse

ban politicians with sub 70 IQ's. (80%?)


16 posted on 11/22/2004 4:48:04 PM PST by dasboot
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To: scouse

Do these idiots know about grinders and pieces of steel?


17 posted on 11/22/2004 4:48:34 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: CaptRon

I can show them how to kill with one finger. I guess they will start cutting off everyone's fingers.


18 posted on 11/22/2004 4:48:40 PM PST by shubi (Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom,must undergo the fatigues of supporting it.)
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To: scouse

hahahahahhah... outlaw steak knives and make them use plastic sporks. What a land of pu$$ies


19 posted on 11/22/2004 4:49:33 PM PST by Porterville (IT'S GOOD TO BE REPUBLICAN- ASK ME HOW)
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To: scouse
Its rebellion time. You can kick my dog, slap my wife, insult my momma, but, you will not take away my butterknife!! I refuse to spread it on my toast by hand. Elected morons.
20 posted on 11/22/2004 4:50:53 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (We won. We don't need to be forgiving. Let the heads roll!!!!!!!!!)
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To: scouse

When I was in elementary school there was a time when team "kill the guy with the ball" became popular. The teams were the fifth grade against the sixth grade, so everyone knew what team they were on.

The teachers told us not to play, because they thought someone would get seriously hurt -- a legitimate concern, but we enjoyed the game immensly. Their solution was to take away the balls, except under teacher supervision.

Well, we began playing the game with a football instead of a round ball. So, they took away all the footballs, too.

After that, we used someone's hat. They couldn't take all those away.

Eventually the fad sort of died out, but not because the teachers removed the sports equipment.


21 posted on 11/22/2004 4:50:53 PM PST by Flash Bazbeaux ("I'll have the moo goo gai pan without the pan, and some pans.")
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To: scouse

I guess this proves that golf will drive you crazy.


22 posted on 11/22/2004 4:51:17 PM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: konaice

Will everyone with a minimally equipped kitchen have REGISTER their cutlery? HaHa.


Bureaucrats trying to justify their employment.....


23 posted on 11/22/2004 4:51:21 PM PST by RedMonqey (Keep RIGHT or get LEFT behind!!)
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To: shubi
What are they going to do about us martial arts devotees?

In many states in the U.S. if you are a trained fighter, your hands and feet qualify as deadly weapons. So, watch out.

It seems that only one weapon is left to the law abiding. I suggest you carry of copy of Al Gore's "Earth in the Balance" from which you can read aloud, thus causing your attackers to commit suicide or at least fall asleep.

24 posted on 11/22/2004 4:52:16 PM PST by AreaMan
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To: crazyhorse691

Actually, if confiscation of butterknives leads to reduction in the use of vegimite, that won't necessarily be a bad thing.


25 posted on 11/22/2004 4:52:30 PM PST by Flash Bazbeaux ("I'll have the moo goo gai pan without the pan, and some pans.")
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To: shubi
What are they going to do about us martial arts devotees?

In many states in the U.S. if you are a trained fighter, your hands and feet qualify as deadly weapons. So, watch out.

It seems that only one weapon is left to the law abiding. I suggest you carry of copy of Al Gore's "Earth in the Balance" from which you can read aloud, thus causing your attackers to commit suicide or at least fall asleep.

26 posted on 11/22/2004 4:52:33 PM PST by AreaMan
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To: scouse

Waaaiiiiit a second. The Scottish banning pointy things?!? That's just not right!

I know why they're doing it. The smoking ban has gotten the Scottish so riled up, the government is scared that they're going to march on Parliament with pitchforks and hoes...so they ban and register all sharp objects in self-preservation.

Unbelievable. Where is modern Scotland's William Wallace?

}:-)4


27 posted on 11/22/2004 4:53:24 PM PST by Moose4 (I'm not white trash. I'm Caucasian recyclables.)
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To: killjoy

Soon there will be a law against "running with scissors" law.


Orwelll was half right.


It will be Big Mother watching over us....


28 posted on 11/22/2004 4:53:27 PM PST by RedMonqey (Keep RIGHT or get LEFT behind!!)
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To: shubi
I agree. When I was a kid, one of my Dad's friends knew a special forces guy who showed me how he could kill me with his finger. When the gov't confiscates fingers, then only criminals will have fingers.

I respect the Brits for a lot of things; but they need to re-arrange their laws and prosecution processes.

29 posted on 11/22/2004 4:53:30 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: AreaMan

I have a carry permit. I am a minister.

Figure that out. LOL


30 posted on 11/22/2004 4:54:13 PM PST by shubi (Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom,must undergo the fatigues of supporting it.)
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To: Cobra64

They have given up God and God has given up them.


31 posted on 11/22/2004 4:54:49 PM PST by shubi (Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom,must undergo the fatigues of supporting it.)
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To: scouse

A logical result from banning firearms and denying law-abiding citizens the right to self-defense. Somewhere, the framers of the Magna Carta are cussing and kicking the dog.


32 posted on 11/22/2004 4:55:00 PM PST by MountainPete (democrats are Liars . . . the Truth ain't in 'em!)
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To: scouse

Yo, laddie First Minister Jack McConnell, just lock the thugs ups throw away the keys. Then allow the good Scottish citizens to rearm themselves for self defense.

Then draw and quarter any liberal judge who dares to even think about trying a good Scot for self defense against a thugh.


33 posted on 11/22/2004 4:55:13 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Writers of hate GW/Christians/ Republicans = GIM members, GAY INFECTED MEDIA!)
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To: Flash Bazbeaux
When I was in elementary school there was a time when team "kill the guy with the ball" became popular.

Known to generations of schoolchildren under the politically incorrect moniker of "smear the queer." Can't say it was the most popular game I ever played as a kid since I wound up getting stuck with the ball a lot...

}:-)4

34 posted on 11/22/2004 4:56:09 PM PST by Moose4 (I'm not white trash. I'm Caucasian recyclables.)
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To: scouse
The shallowness of the Socialist's mind never ceases to amaze me.

Outlaw guns and Baseball bat murders increase. Those who like to get up close and personal use knives.

How about this radical suggestion; punish the killers and set an example.

The ultimate outcome of Political Correctness will be a nation of criminals; a victimless society.

Won't it be great when they finish killing the population and turn their attention to their enablers; the ones who make the law?

This is another example of the self-regulation of Social Darwinism.

Murphy was an optimist.
35 posted on 11/22/2004 4:56:39 PM PST by Dalite (If PRO is the opposite of CON, What is the opposite of PROgress? Go Figure....)
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To: Flash Bazbeaux

Off topic...What is "vegimite"?



Hear it referenced in a song in the eighties but didn't know what "it" was.

Just curious....


36 posted on 11/22/2004 4:56:52 PM PST by RedMonqey (Keep RIGHT or get LEFT behind!!)
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To: scouse

Letter opener futures would seem a safe bet in the UK.
:o)


37 posted on 11/22/2004 4:57:00 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: konaice
Not to mention, (by extension) the common pocket knives, nail files, steak knives...
Slippery slope.
Where does it end?

Weren't the guys who went after Bernie Goetz (sp? ca. 1980 NYV subway shooting) armed with screwdrivers?

38 posted on 11/22/2004 4:58:01 PM PST by sionnsar (NYT/Cbs: "It's fake but true!" | Iran Azadi | Traditional Anglicans: trad-anglican.faithweb.com)
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To: Flash Bazbeaux

Yeah, how many aussies and brits are killed by vegemite every year?


39 posted on 11/22/2004 4:58:11 PM PST by shubi (Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom,must undergo the fatigues of supporting it.)
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To: shubi
I have a carry permit. I am a minister.

Good, we need more of both.

40 posted on 11/22/2004 4:59:01 PM PST by AreaMan
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To: sionnsar

No problem. We can make screws and drivers out of soft plastic. It might be hard to get people on an airplane, but sacrifices must be made to protect the people.


41 posted on 11/22/2004 4:59:24 PM PST by shubi (Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom,must undergo the fatigues of supporting it.)
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To: MD_Willington_1976
What if someone is coming at you with a banana?
42 posted on 11/22/2004 5:00:27 PM PST by Veloxherc (To go up pull back, to go down pull back all the way.)
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To: scouse

Crackdown targets knife culture?!

How dare they crackdown on others cultures. There I was thinking that they embraced diversity and the cultures of others. Do the Islamists and their culture not inflict death too? So why this discrimination against knives?

Who is next? When will this madness stop?

First they came for the Knives,
and I did not speak out
because I was not a knife.
Then they came for the big sticks of wood,
and I did not speak out
because I was not a big stick of wood.
Then they came for nail files
and I did not speak out
because I was not a nail file
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.


43 posted on 11/22/2004 5:00:44 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade.)
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To: RedMonqey

Vegemite

http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/VegemiteHistory.htm


44 posted on 11/22/2004 5:01:46 PM PST by AreaMan
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To: RedMonqey

I think you would have to try it to understand. Hey! One of you brits send Red a case of vegemite.
:-)


45 posted on 11/22/2004 5:01:47 PM PST by shubi (Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom,must undergo the fatigues of supporting it.)
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To: scouse

Any problem can be solved if you throw enough laws at it. (sarc)


46 posted on 11/22/2004 5:02:57 PM PST by Spok
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To: Calamari; Grampa Dave
Cricket bats are next; followed by rolling pins, cast iron pans, hammers, scissors, hedge trimmers,etc.

You could give someone a right nasty smack with just a soled bagpipe chanter. (Of course, it probably wouldn't play very well afterwards...)

47 posted on 11/22/2004 5:03:21 PM PST by sionnsar (NYT/Cbs: "It's fake but true!" | Iran Azadi | Traditional Anglicans: trad-anglican.faithweb.com)
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To: scouse
Sheesh. The Brits still haven't figured it out.

5.56mm

48 posted on 11/22/2004 5:06:12 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Flash Bazbeaux; Moose4

Ahhhh yessss. Smear the queer. I love that game. We played with footballs, tennis balls, even balls of paper or foil. When our teacher had confiscated everything...we played rocks! LOL.

Man, those were the days.


49 posted on 11/22/2004 5:06:28 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: scouse

50 posted on 11/22/2004 5:06:35 PM PST by angkor
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