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Crime victim strikes back (Victim runs over and kills suspect)
The Times ^ | November 23, 2004 | BRIAN X. McCRONE

Posted on 11/23/2004 5:04:30 AM PST by new cruelty

TRENTON - Minutes after four young men robbed a Hiltonia resident of $1,500 cash Sunday night and threatened to rape his teenage daughters, one of the suspects lay dead under the victim's sport utility vehicle on nearby Route 29.

The unidentified young man was killed after he jumped from his car and began shooting at the SUV driven by Robert O'Neal, 54, who had given chase.

O'Neal ran him over, police said. "I didn't mean for this to happen," O'Neal said yesterday, fighting back tears. "I'm a single parent with two daughters. They had my credit cards, my wallet. They knew where I lived."

A union iron worker with Local 68, O'Neal has lived in the Hiltonia section of the city almost two decades.

"This (criminal activity) has got to stop," he said. "If we don't stand up for ourselves, it won't stop."

Detectives said yesterday that the four men robbed O'Neal in front of his home about 9 p.m. Sunday.

The dead man's identity had not been disclosed last night.

(Excerpt) Read more at nj.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; crime; criminals; homeinvasion; newjersey; nj; rape; saintpancakelives; selfdefense; suv; trenton
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1 posted on 11/23/2004 5:04:31 AM PST by new cruelty
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To: new cruelty

We need to get those SUV's banned!


2 posted on 11/23/2004 5:05:53 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: new cruelty

A shame he did not kill all four.


3 posted on 11/23/2004 5:05:56 AM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: new cruelty
The unidentified young man was killed after he jumped from his car and began shooting at the SUV

Shooting at the SUV? The last thing you want to do is anger one of those things.

4 posted on 11/23/2004 5:06:37 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: new cruelty

One down, 3 to go. Happy Hunting!


5 posted on 11/23/2004 5:06:47 AM PST by Dubh_Ghlase ("Every man dies, but not every man truly lives...." Braveheart)
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To: new cruelty

This guy should keep his trap shut until he sees a lawyer. "I didn't mean for this to happen" is OK, but the rest of his rambling seems to be digging himself a hole.


6 posted on 11/23/2004 5:07:01 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: new cruelty

Give the man a medal...


7 posted on 11/23/2004 5:07:33 AM PST by trebb (Ain't God good . . .)
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To: fortheDeclaration

In this particular case the SUV did the right thing.


8 posted on 11/23/2004 5:07:34 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: new cruelty
"If we don't stand up for ourselves, it won't stop."

An attorney would advise against saying something like that, I'd bet.

9 posted on 11/23/2004 5:07:37 AM PST by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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To: new cruelty

I can just see the greasy lawyers lining up to sue this guy becasue he defended himself.


10 posted on 11/23/2004 5:07:56 AM PST by abc1
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To: new cruelty
"I didn't mean for this to happen," O'Neal said yesterday, fighting back tears.

I hope he's crying because he missed the other three.

11 posted on 11/23/2004 5:08:12 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: new cruelty

Shades of Bernie Goetz.


12 posted on 11/23/2004 5:08:24 AM PST by abc1
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To: Brilliant

Expect the parents of the suspect to file a lawsuit against Mr. O'Neil.


13 posted on 11/23/2004 5:08:45 AM PST by new cruelty
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To: new cruelty

Will this be classified as a "Hate Crime". Oh yeah, the driver was white, probably not.


14 posted on 11/23/2004 5:10:16 AM PST by Lance Romance
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To: new cruelty

Sounds like a Rush Limbaugh SUV update story.


15 posted on 11/23/2004 5:10:16 AM PST by KStorm (Rush's name for the MSM is precise: "The Liberal Spin Machine".)
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To: abc1

The first rule, when there's a dead or wounded bad guy, is to say NOTHING except: "I was in fear for my life. I wish to speak to my attorney before making any further statement"


16 posted on 11/23/2004 5:10:17 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (We are going to fight until hell freezes over and then we are going to fight on the ice)
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To: new cruelty

Another crime involving a SUV.

Good for the father! Unfortunately, he'll be convicted and won't see his daughters again until they have their own daughters. We don't have a victim's justice system.


17 posted on 11/23/2004 5:10:22 AM PST by mtbopfuyn
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To: new cruelty
HIP, HIP, HOORAY!
18 posted on 11/23/2004 5:10:30 AM PST by BufordP ("I wish we lived in the day when you could challenge a person to a duel!")
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To: Mr. Mojo
In this particular case the SUV did the right thing.

Thats right, SUV's don't kill people, people kill people!

Thanks goodness the guy didn't have a handgun, someone might have really gotten hurt!

19 posted on 11/23/2004 5:11:30 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: Lance Romance

But I think the robber was black, so the robber's parents may use that to their advantage.


20 posted on 11/23/2004 5:11:46 AM PST by new cruelty
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To: Mr. Mojo
Shooting at the SUV? The last thing you want to do is anger one of those things.

LOL!

21 posted on 11/23/2004 5:12:06 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: new cruelty

O'Neal's next tank of gas is on me.


22 posted on 11/23/2004 5:12:25 AM PST by elli1
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To: mtbopfuyn

An earlier post of this story, fuller version, said that the father won't be charged.


23 posted on 11/23/2004 5:12:28 AM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: new cruelty

I've heard of brand loyalty before, but this takes it to a new level.


24 posted on 11/23/2004 5:12:55 AM PST by liberateUS
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To: All
Another article:

Wild chase, gunfire turns fatal: Cops: Dad mows down robbery suspect with SUV

TRENTON -- When armed robbers jammed a gun into his face and threatened to rape his two daughters, something snapped, Trenton resident Bob O’Neal said yesterday.

"I just couldn’t take it anymore," O’Neal said. "He put a gun in my face and threatened to rape my kids. I’m not having that."

According to police, O’Neal jumped into his SUV and chased his attackers after they confronted him in front of his Hiltonia home Sunday night and stole about $1,500 in cash.

The chase ended minutes later, on Route 29, after O’Neal allegedly ran over one suspect who fired at him, leaving him dead at the scene.

"I wasn’t trying to kill anybody... I just wanted to get the tag number on the car," a visibly-shaken O’Neal said. "But they intended to kill me," he added.

Police said the bizarre robbery turned fatality began in front of O’Neal’s Cornwall Avenue home around 9 p.m. Sunday.

25 posted on 11/23/2004 5:13:43 AM PST by new cruelty
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To: Judith Anne

Also from that discussion. A picture of the father.

26 posted on 11/23/2004 5:14:18 AM PST by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: new cruelty

Hmmmm. Gun control or traction control?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1286376/posts


27 posted on 11/23/2004 5:14:31 AM PST by cripplecreek (I come swinging the olive branch of peace.)
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To: new cruelty

Good for him. He deserves a medal for bravery.


28 posted on 11/23/2004 5:16:11 AM PST by cwiz24 (Hey Democrats---Now who's ya daddy?)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Yeah, unless you've got at least a .44 mag you're just gonna piss 'em off.


29 posted on 11/23/2004 5:16:24 AM PST by Arkie2
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To: Lance Romance
Actually, the Robert O'Neill (the victim) is black.


30 posted on 11/23/2004 5:16:43 AM PST by new cruelty
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To: new cruelty

Good kill.


31 posted on 11/23/2004 5:17:28 AM PST by boofus
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To: liberateUS

?


32 posted on 11/23/2004 5:18:18 AM PST by bvw
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To: Lance Romance
Will this be classified as a "Hate Crime".

You may have been right the first time.

Police arrested 19-year-old Kyle Gibson (image above) of Hamilton Township, N.J.. The licensed barber owns and was driving the suspects' car. Police also arrested a 15-year-old, and are seeking a third suspect.

33 posted on 11/23/2004 5:18:19 AM PST by new cruelty
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To: cwiz24

This man did the world a favor. The dead guy's crimes would escalate to rape and murder if he hadn't of been caught. They need to find the other 3 and run over them, too.


34 posted on 11/23/2004 5:19:29 AM PST by tuffydoodle
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To: liberateUS

Wrong thread or did I miss your point?


35 posted on 11/23/2004 5:19:41 AM PST by new cruelty
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To: bvw

The SUV was loyal to the owner instead of the owner being loyal to the brand of SUV.


36 posted on 11/23/2004 5:19:51 AM PST by liberateUS
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To: Mr. Mojo

Poor SUV

37 posted on 11/23/2004 5:21:03 AM PST by new cruelty
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To: new cruelty

Added to BANGLIST due to the self defense/victim fights back nature of this piece


38 posted on 11/23/2004 5:21:03 AM PST by P8riot (A gun is just a substitute for a penis, so when attacked by a mugger one should pull out a..........)
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To: new cruelty

From a lawyer who does our legal briefs (I teach NRA firearms marksmanship).

What to tell the POLICE in the event of a shooting.

1. I WAS IN FEAR FOR MY LIFE.

2. HE/SHE SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO KILL ME.

3. I WILL NOT SAY ANYTHING ELSE UNTIL I SPEAK TO MY LAWYER.

Folks, THAT is a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT, DO NOT give them up.

Cops and Investigators start building a case against YOU the SECOND YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH!


39 posted on 11/23/2004 5:21:53 AM PST by HMFIC (US Marines, you yell, we shell.)
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To: new cruelty

A good SUV will do that you know.


40 posted on 11/23/2004 5:21:58 AM PST by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: new cruelty

Oh man.......I said I wasn't going to cry......


41 posted on 11/23/2004 5:22:19 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo

ROTFLOL! ahem.. sorry... I don't mean to laugh at your grief.


42 posted on 11/23/2004 5:23:02 AM PST by new cruelty
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<< One of the robbers then jumped from the car, which had been disabled by the collisions, and began firing at O'Neal's SUV, the report said.

While O'Neal can't remember what happened next, police and a gas station attendant at the Sunoco across the street from the crash said the SUV ran over the gunman.

"Right now, you could say this is in self-defense," Medina said. "The suspect shot more than once (at O'Neal). Definitely the (robbery) victim felt like his life was in immediate danger."
>>

Self defense indeed. He did a good thing by giving chase, and it led to a self defense situation. No one should be placed in the situation this citizen/father found himself. The ones to pay should exclusively be the perps. The community and the law should wrap its arms around the father.

p.


43 posted on 11/23/2004 5:24:17 AM PST by Paul_B
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It's a damn shame he didn't get all four of them....

Couldn't help but notice the MSM didn't identify the ethnicity of the four young men?

I'm guessing they weren't caucasian; Otherwise, they'd have been id'd as such in the article by MSM in BIG BOLD CAPTIAL LETTERS WITH LIGHTS AND BANNERS.


44 posted on 11/23/2004 5:25:08 AM PST by odoso (Millions for charity, but not one penny for tribute!)
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To: liberateUS

Good point.


45 posted on 11/23/2004 5:25:10 AM PST by bvw
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To: new cruelty

My bad.


46 posted on 11/23/2004 5:26:58 AM PST by Lance Romance
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To: odoso
At least one of the suspects was white and one was black. I am not sure what the other two were.

From the article posted-

Police are searching for a black male about 6-foot-1 with a medium build who is known by the nickname "Black."

Anyone with information can contact Detective Lt. Robert Cochran at (609) 989-4153 or the Trenton police confidential tip-line at (609) 989-3663.

47 posted on 11/23/2004 5:27:33 AM PST by new cruelty
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Maybe Local 68 will deal with the other three perps.


48 posted on 11/23/2004 5:31:35 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("We are in the process of allowing them to self-actualise" LtC. Rainey, Fallujah, 11/04)
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A great American! Damn criminals think they can take anything they want, without repercussions? Guess again idiots. My hat is off to this patriot! A few more cases like this, where we put a medal on him, and the country will be headed the right way!


49 posted on 11/23/2004 5:32:26 AM PST by Issaquahking ( Bush won, Arafat is dead! Life is good!)
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Cue 'In a Yugo' by Paul Shanklin.


50 posted on 11/23/2004 5:34:58 AM PST by Jackknife (.......Land of the Free,because of the Brave.)
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