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Breaking News: Russian Troops Intervening in Ukraine Elections
Private Email from Election Observer in Ukraine | 11/23/2004 | Bob Schaffer

Posted on 11/23/2004 4:38:52 PM PST by ModelBreaker

From: Bob Schaffer

Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:10 PM

Friends: some of you know I am in Ukraine as an election monitor. The presidential election was Sunday. There was rampant cheating and falsification reported throughout the country. I can't go into all details of election. I'm using a blackberry to communicate with lots of USA people, news agencies and Ukrainians. Please check news sources on the Ukrainian election background if you're not familiar. Also, I'll be regularly updating the Denver Post. They're setting their web site to post my updates.

Here's the latest:

Russian special forces dressed in Ukrainian Special forces uniforms are in Kyiv. Ukrainian militia have been instructed by the mayor to protect the people from the Russian troops. Ukrainian militia have established a hotline for Ukrainians to report any incidents with the Russians and pledged to protect Ukrainians. These Russians flew into Ukraine this morning. They're now surrounding the administration buildings they say "to protect Kuchma (the outgoing president and his PM Yanukovich). Following is a chain of email messages I've been sending by blackberry. Please pass along to others. Bob Schaffer



---------- Dan: is there anything you can do to alert someone in the Denver media to look at news coming out of Ukraine? I know this isn't our normal "beat," but this seems quite serious here. I'll paste below a message I just sent to a ukrainian group. I've been updating several people by blackerrying them events from the street and from the local news. Bob

---------- Yes. I'm safe for now. Demonstrators are reassembling in Kyiv. They're coming back stronger than yesterday coming in from the rest of the country. The authorities are trying to stop them. Cars and busses are being stopped by police at the outskirts of the city. The authorities have scattered road spikes on inbound lanes to stop traffic/protesters. People are walking down the highways to protest. Trains into the city have been stopped.

The parliament is meeting now but without the president's supporters or the Communists. After several speeches, they called Yushchenko to the podium to swear him in as the new president (escorted to the podium with guards). The Rada Speaker Litvin walked out. Then the TV station (only one station covers anything about the election and it only covers 30% of the country) went off then cut to news and footage from earlier in the day. This is similar to the revolution in Georgia.

It seems the opposition has now claimed control of the parliament and most likely named Yushchenko as the president. He walked to the podium with a Bible and a copy of the oath in his hand. 300,000 pro-Yushchenko supporters are in the city square and watched what I described above on a jumbo TV. They're celebrating what they believe is their new president. Provocateurs are infiltrating the crowd. Special forces are said to be moving in to disband the crowd. This is now a clearly declared revolutionary effort. A confrontation seems unavoidable now.

It's very tense here. School has been cancled (again) for tomorrow. I'll report more as I learn it.

Now we hear Yushchenko is headed to the city center to address the masses. His lieutenants will be giving instructions to the people outside the Rada building on "what to do."

Telephones in the outlying towns have been shut off.

Now we hear there are Russians in Ukrainian special forces uniforms.

I'll report more as I learn it. May God bless and protect Ukraine and her people.

A representative of the Greek Catholic Church (a man who appeared to be a priest -- dressed as one) announced at the demonstration that he was speaking on behalf of the Greek Catholic Churchn the Kyiv Patriarchiat and several Protestant denominations (Lutheran was the only specific one I heard but there were several others). He said this coalition of churches recognizes Yushchenko as president.

Yuschenko is now leading 1 million people from the square and surrounding streets to the administration headquarters of the Ukrainian government. He is in front of the column and many fear he is vulnerable to getting shot. They should be at the steps in 15 mins. Keep in mind, this is where the Russian special forces are stationed, dresses in Ukrainian garb.

If violence comes to define this revolution it will likely be within minutes.

The Georgian President (surrounded by Orthodox priests) just appeared on Ukrainian TV congratulating and encouraging the opposition supporters and "President" Victor Yushchenko. He spoke in Ukrainian which is very significant.

The Russian special forces just stopped the crowd approaching the administration headquarters.


Sent via BlackBerry

TOPICS: Front Page News; Russia; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: elections; russia; ukraine
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To: jb6
Let me see if I can use some html and get a click on link.

Try this link

81 posted on 11/23/2004 6:16:52 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: jb6

JB6 and ELUMINATE are obvious lap dogs of Yanukovych, Russians, and are old commie propagandist, please disregard their drivel. Too much like Dan Rather.

Ukraine will shake the commie "protectorate" off, they had enough of it already.

82 posted on 11/23/2004 6:20:38 PM PST by Leo Carpathian (Osama, you can come out, to claim Nobel prize for peace!)
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To: Truth666

So are you saying the goals of Soros - are one and the same as those of President Bush - ? Wow -

Interesting two articles - full of information but not sure how much to believe -

Would explain the illegals, the Bush support of Clinton - allowing the major media to work as they are - but how hard it is to believe that Soros and Bush are on the same page just going about the "goals" differently - Like take what you want - as long as it makes 'money' -

What good is money - when God gets through with them - ?

A lot of American citizens will either end up dead or in jail if this is true - in the end that is -

83 posted on 11/23/2004 6:20:54 PM PST by Pastnowfuturealpha
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To: Pastnowfuturealpha
I know about the Russians(where they come from) - but what about this guy - who backs him (what power or "money")- if you know -

Well, these could be the players.


Open Society

News Story

George Soros is attacked with mayonnaise before opening a forum on election rights protection. Hotel Rus, Kyiv, March 31

Viktor Yushchenko a Soros man.

"Soros For Breakfast" 19.10.2004

A Ukrainian opposition weekly Svoboda has doubted the sincerity of the coming visit to Ukraine by former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger at the invitation of magnate Viktor Pinchuk, the Ukrainian president's son-in-law.

It said the visit comes on the eve of the election and in the wake of a recent visit by US philanthropist and financier George Soros.

There is ethnic solidarity between the three mentioned persons of Jewish origin. Soros and Kissinger have been bought for dirty money "obtained" by Pinchuk in Ukraine thanks to his closeness to Kuchma.

What a Wild $ Crazy election!!!

Viktor Yanukovych received the help of Russian spin doctors - and the very public support of President Putin.

Anyway, I'll be watching the Ukraninian Girls!

84 posted on 11/23/2004 6:24:08 PM PST by Major_Risktaker
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To: cornelis

Please read the two article from link on post #75 -

Wow - really something - so much is put out these days -

No wonder all the nations of the world are in such a mess

85 posted on 11/23/2004 6:24:35 PM PST by Pastnowfuturealpha
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To: Dog Gone
I have been following events in Russia for a short while and I am not surprised the Putin is playing fast and loose he,and his mobster friends, will apparently do anything to gain any power at all he is a maniac.
86 posted on 11/23/2004 6:24:35 PM PST by rodguy911 ( President Reagan---all the rest.)
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To: ModelBreaker


87 posted on 11/23/2004 6:26:24 PM PST by foreverfree
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To: McChordwatcher
There is another post on this topic by dick morris, just posted, adcd. to Morris Putin stole the election, his guy really lost.
88 posted on 11/23/2004 6:26:46 PM PST by rodguy911 ( President Reagan---all the rest.)
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To: Major_Risktaker

Got a good idea there - much better than trying to figure out the power plays of the big boys of the world -

They certainly have changed also - can remember the pictures from long ago -

Have fun girl watching - with beer and/or popcorn -

89 posted on 11/23/2004 6:31:00 PM PST by Pastnowfuturealpha
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To: streetpreacher; Just mythoughts; quant5; dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; ...

You can always count on the Soviets (Putin's Russia) to act like Soviets (be sure to read original post on this thread):

Ping this thread to as many as you can think of--TTS

90 posted on 11/23/2004 7:16:40 PM PST by TapTheSource
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To: SAMWolf; Matthew Paul

Have you seen this yet?

91 posted on 11/23/2004 7:17:19 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Join the Army. Travel to far away lands. Meet exotic people. And kill them.)
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To: ModelBreaker

I wonder what the Putin Parade is going to say about this one--TTS

92 posted on 11/23/2004 7:19:22 PM PST by TapTheSource
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To: TapTheSource

Hey - Tap - you are late on this -

Need to read a couple of articles at post #75 - interesting at the very least - puts a whole new light on things -

With all the information from both sides coming out - hard to know what is going on - and which side is correct - I'd hate to think we have another Yugo. going on -

93 posted on 11/23/2004 7:21:59 PM PST by Pastnowfuturealpha
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To: ModelBreaker

If you hear anything new, please keep us updated.

94 posted on 11/23/2004 7:23:46 PM PST by victim soul
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To: TapTheSource
I wonder what the Putin Parade is going to say about this one--TTS

It's just a reminder--countries have interests, not allies. Anyone who forgets that will be quickly reminded that they are wrong.

95 posted on 11/23/2004 7:30:36 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Leo Carpathian

Funny how Yanukovitch has been as visible as Hitler in his bunker since the elections on Sunday. Meanwhile, Kuchma cannot even trust his own military, he has to be protected by specially flown in Russian Spetznaz forces.

I find it amazing that so many commies are crawling out of the woodwork on Free Republic today to support a mobster like Yanukovitch. Keep in mind, this guy has been convicted twice of very serious crimes, including rape of an 16 year old girl, and has had two other convictions suppressed.

96 posted on 11/23/2004 7:32:47 PM PST by Agog
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To: ModelBreaker

97 posted on 11/23/2004 7:33:43 PM PST by matchwood
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To: Lion in Winter
Both crooks as far as I can make out. Anyway... this should NOT be the business of George Soros/MOVEON to decide who is ANY Country's president.... So, I would chose the lesser of two evils... the non-soros candidate.

I agree. Sounds like the Pro-Russian guy won the election and the Soros-backed liberal loser is whinning about 'exit polls'. I'm suprised that many Freepers on this thread are backing the Ukrainian DU/Soros loser.

One Freeper is even basing his support on what some liberal democrat "American" election observer has to say about it.

98 posted on 11/23/2004 7:34:49 PM PST by Godebert
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To: Godebert

I will ping you to a thread where ANYBODY who is thinking like us is accused of being a RUSSIAN PLANT or spy or a dupe.

99 posted on 11/23/2004 7:38:57 PM PST by Lion in Winter (I ain't no pussy cat... don't mess with me... ya hear! GRRRRRRrrr)
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To: Pastnowfuturealpha; ModelBreaker
My bet is both Yushchenko and Yanukovych are Moscow's puppets (as is Soros IMO). Yushchenko's job is to steer the genuine opposition into a series of compromises with Yanukovych's openly pro-Moscow party (apparently the genuine opposition has grown so big that shady electioneering isn't enough anymore)...thus the need for Soviet/Russian special forces.
100 posted on 11/23/2004 7:42:50 PM PST by TapTheSource
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