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Tomb May Shed Light On 10th Plague
Boston Globe ^ | 11-23-2004 | Charles M. Sennott

Posted on 11/23/2004 6:11:43 PM PST by blam

Tomb may shed light on 10th plague

By Charles M. Sennott, Globe Staff | November 23, 2004

LUXOR, Egypt — Out of the blinding light of a fall morning here in the Valley of the Kings, American archeologist Kent Weeks led the way down a narrow, stone passageway and into the entrance of a tomb.

Weeks peered his flashlight into the enveloping darkness of ‘‘the hidden tomb,’’ as he calls it, and pressed on through the damp, winding passages toward what may be his archeological team’s most significant find after years of methodical digging, scraping, and brushing.

At the end of a long hallway a human skull rested, propped up in a wooden box, and framed in the bleak light of a bare bulb powered by a generator that rumbled through the stony silence of the tomb.

This skull — Weeks believes, and new scientific evidence suggests — may be that of the oldest son of Rameses II, the pharaoh who most historians agree was the ruler of ancient Egypt more than 3,000 years ago at the time of the biblical story of the Exodus.

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To: Nakatu X

errr, to stop fearing God and to forget Him.


51 posted on 11/24/2004 4:34:36 AM PST by Nataku X (Lord, please guide President Bush, and please protect our soldiers in Fallujah.)
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To: hopespringseternal
That only affects the firstborn?

I always assumed that God used natural agents for the plagues. Beyond that he would have "managed" the circumstances as needed to achieve His end, such as who got infected.

It's just how I picture God working. For example, if God feels the need for a big meteor to strike Sodom on a given date, I have no problem with him causing the chain of events that leads to that a few million years ago.

But then you get into that whole predestination thing and have to ask about the Sodomites free will. But with a name like "Sodomite" you really gotta know nothing goods gonna happen (thats meant as a joke).

Lovely little movie about this idea with Tom Conti and Teri Garr, callled Miracles, of all things.

52 posted on 11/24/2004 4:36:11 AM PST by Phsstpok (often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Today, most of the Chaldeans run party stores and small grocery stores in metropolitan Detroit.


53 posted on 11/24/2004 4:53:27 AM PST by Edmund Burke
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To: broadsword

It is a capital error to attempt to extend scientific models where data are scarce or nonexistent. Many well-intentioned, otherwise reasonable people make this error.

Glad to see that you haven't!

Keep the faith.


54 posted on 11/24/2004 5:06:38 AM PST by mywholebodyisaweapon
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To: Prost1

Zecharia Stitchen is a kook.


55 posted on 11/24/2004 6:42:14 AM PST by adam_az (Nov. 3, 2004: Our Republic is Secure!)
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To: Drammach

"Just brainstorming, I still prefer the "ergot poisoning" theory.."

Ergot only infects rye.... which the egyptians didn't grow.


56 posted on 11/24/2004 6:44:47 AM PST by adam_az (Nov. 3, 2004: Our Republic is Secure!)
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To: monkeyshine
It's just that there is no evidence, other than the writings of the oldest books of the Bible to support that the Hebrews were ever in Egypt or that an exodus from there took place. The Egyptians documented practically everything and nothing has ever been found that corroborates those accounts.

It's not for a lack of trying.

Further, the exodus is placed, timewise, during the Golden Age of Egypt, a time of its highest prosperity and power. That is at odds with the account of the Plagues which brought Egypt to its knees. It just seems inconceivable to me that such an historic event would be completely erased from the vast historical evidence and artifacts that we have from Egyptian culture.

57 posted on 11/24/2004 7:27:57 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Optimus Prime

I don't recall Adam and Eve being the ONLY people, just the first.


58 posted on 11/24/2004 7:33:39 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Earnie

They married their sisters (according to my pastor).


59 posted on 11/24/2004 8:02:32 AM PST by msdrby (remind me to drink more water... and less coffee)
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To: Dog Gone

Ah, ok, I'm not trying to dispute archeology or prove the bible, just that the timing was curious since Abraham purportedly came from the area that is now Iraq but this was way before the story in Egypt (obviously I'm not much of a bible scholar here, just a passing interest).

On the other hand, if God rained 10 plagues including famine, locusts, flood and the killing of all firstborn, could be that He destroyed the documents too. Or, that they destroyed the documents hoping to forget they ever messed with the Jews :-)

"Further, the exodus is placed, timewise, during the Golden Age of Egypt"

How do we know this if there is no evidence? Could be give or take 500 years no?


60 posted on 11/24/2004 8:12:43 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: SunkenCiv
I met the author online

You have to be careful --- you can meet some real kooks online. Some of them even have red hair.

61 posted on 11/24/2004 8:22:03 AM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: blam

Bump for later read.


62 posted on 11/24/2004 8:26:38 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Phsstpok
It's just how I picture God working.

The problem with consigning God to this role is that you quickly have to leave the pages of the bible to support this view, and at that point why bother to explain it anyway since you have just discredited your source?

Miracles as found in the bible aren't merely unlikely natural processes, they are supernatural. Some have the appearance of nature, but when you study the ten plagues of Egypt you find that natural appearance is just a direct challenge to the gods of the Egyptions. For example, the river turning to blood shows the power of God over that of the god of the Nile.

63 posted on 11/24/2004 8:36:54 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: monkeyshine
The date of the exodus is set in the biblical account. And we know from extensive historical records that it was during Egypt's Golden Age.

It's not that there's a lack of documentation during the period. It's just that there's no documentation of the Jews being slaves in Egypt or them leaving or any plagues or the Egyptian army being wiped out in the Red Sea.

The Egyptians kept meticulous records which included defeats in battle and crop failures, so it seems unlikely that they wouldn't have documented the biggest crisis in all of their history.

I suppose all evidence of the Jews being in Egypt could have been miraculously removed, but you'd have to ask for what purpose.

The problem with my position is that it casts doubt on the literal reading of the oldest books of the bible which makes the vast majority of Christians uncomfortable. Heck, it makes me uncomfortable, but when you objectively look at the actual evidence it's hard to reach any other conclusion.

I believe there was an exodus and that it was associated with the volcanic eruption at Santorini which was a monumental event in that part of the world. It certainly corresponds with the timeframe and it explains the pillar of fire at night and pillar of cloud by day that guided the Jews to Canaan.

However, the direction of that volcano as a guiding beacon doesn't make sense from an Egyptian starting point. It does from Mesopotamia.

64 posted on 11/24/2004 8:47:19 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: ValerieUSA

:') Hey, quit braggin'. I'm at least as kooky as you.


65 posted on 11/24/2004 8:53:54 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: BurbankKarl

It is believed that the lines on the Spinx are due to water erosion. There is also a channel to the Pyramid and an ancient boat was discovered buried. There are indications of a harbor.


66 posted on 11/24/2004 9:34:31 AM PST by Prost1 (What's the difference between a Democrat and a Congential Liar?)
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To: Prost1

's true, the erosion on the Sphinx is generally attributed to water erosion -- now, because of Robert Schoch's work on it -- but the way the erosion occurred is a much-debated issue (if a deadlock is considered a debate ;').

Rainer Stadelmann concluded a couple of years ago (published paper, ref journal) that the facial features on the Sphinx are not those of Khafre, but of Khufu, builder of the Great Pyramid. Throughout my life I'd always wondered how anyone could look at the Sphinx and the statues of Khafre and consider any resemblance whatsoever. Stadelmann's work does not stem from that of Schoch, or his (former?) associate John Anthony West (JAW transformed himself into an anti-Bush fanatic, so I dropped his newsletter), and obviously doesn't suggest that the Sphinx / pyramids are 10,000 years old or whatnot.

The records cited in favor of a pre-pyramids dating of the Sphinx date from the New Kingdom, and (like a number of others) are copies of Old Kingdom originals no longer extant. One remarks that Khufu made repairs to the Sphinx, an event difficult to explain if it had not yet been built.

My own view is that the Sphinx had some sort of existence before the pyramids (not however going back 12,000 years) and follow Schoch who showed it was constructed at the same time as one or two of the oddball megalithic style temples often attributed to a New Kingdom pharaoh. How the face of the Sphinx can match that of Khufu is difficult to explain, as there was (not long ago) only one known image of his face, a small figurine that can be held in one hand. A monumental statue fragment found, hmm, circa 20 years ago has more recently been identified as Khufu's, but obviously has an uncertain attribution, and furthermore, doesn't resemble the Sphinx' face.

IMHO, the head was recarved (that is also Schoch's view), probably during the Ethiopian dynasty (best known pharaoh being Tirhaka), which explains the black African features of the face, and the fact that the head is out of scale with the body. Probably the statue had lost most of its head over the centuries, and so there was much less stone to be recarved.

Here's a video source:

Mysteries of the Sphinx (video, Charleton Heston)
http://www.bcvideo.com/ordermom13.html


67 posted on 11/24/2004 9:54:11 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: AReaganGirl

Zecharia Stitchen belives there is a 12th Planet (also the name of one of his books). He believes that humans are the result of genetic engineering by a race of people from the 12th planet. He is an expert and authority on Sumarian script and language.

Immanuel Velikovsky was a russian jewish professor (I forger; history or literature) and developed cosmic theories of planetary chaos where Mars and Venus were not where they are today but Mars was a wanderer and created chaos is the heavens. Carl Sagan notoriously dismissed Velikovsky when astromers believed Venus to be cold and icy and Velikovsky said it would be hot. It has been determined to be hot. Carl Sagan never appologized.

Look him up. Interesting reading on the closed minded society that exists among the elite Professors and intellectuals advising government.
see the link for more info;

http://knowledge.co.uk/velikovsky/


68 posted on 11/24/2004 9:58:25 AM PST by Prost1 (What's the difference between a Democrat and a Congential Liar?)
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To: blam
Tomb May Shed Light On 10th Plague

Weeks peered his flashlight into the enveloping darkness of ‘‘the hidden tomb,’’ as he calls it, and pressed on through the damp, winding passages toward what may be his archeological team’s most significant find after years of methodical digging, scraping, and brushing.

And there on the wall....the evidence was made clear for the world to see, the words scrawled: Hillary 2008.

69 posted on 11/24/2004 9:59:13 AM PST by N. Theknow (DU, Michael Moore, Hollywood, etc. are all dogcrap on the Shoe Of Life)
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To: SunkenCiv

Many believe the Sphinx to be a Dog and was built to reflect the alignment of the Great Pyramid with the Dog Star Thubin.

Others came and mutilated the face.


70 posted on 11/24/2004 10:01:19 AM PST by Prost1 (If you teach what your history teachers taught you, you will be corrected...)
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To: blam
At the end of a long hallway a human skull rested, propped up in a wooden box, and framed in the bleak light of a bare bulb powered by a generator that rumbled through the stony silence of the tomb.

It's a good thing Ramses thought to put in that bulb and generator, otherwise we might never have found it!

71 posted on 11/24/2004 10:03:00 AM PST by streetpreacher (There will be no Trolls in heaven.)
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To: Prost1

The Dog Star is Sirius...Thubin as a prior Pole Star.


72 posted on 11/24/2004 10:12:22 AM PST by Prost1 (If you teach what your history teachers taught you, you will be corrected...)
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To: Prost1
Here's a Wayback Machine version of somethin' kinda nutty (reduced here to 500 pixel width, image is actually larger):
Campbells Tomb

73 posted on 11/24/2004 10:12:27 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: Phsstpok

ooooo sounds like a wonderful movie plot...... or has it been done? ;)


74 posted on 11/24/2004 7:08:56 PM PST by Chani
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To: Chani
or has it been done?

Of course it's been done. Haven't you ever heard the old expression, there are only 4 basic plots:

Boy Meets Girl
Boy Loses Girl
Boy conquers world
10th plague gets loose again

there are no new plots.

75 posted on 11/24/2004 7:29:48 PM PST by Phsstpok (often wrong, but never in doubt (HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL))
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To: Phsstpok

LOL! I knew that! :)


76 posted on 11/24/2004 7:31:15 PM PST by Chani
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To: Earnie

Their sisters


77 posted on 11/24/2004 7:40:45 PM PST by ScoochDude
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Huh, that URL vanished, probably from too much bandwidth. Here's the other links which still work:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010630202838/http://sphinxtemple.virtualave.net/images/HalfSection.gif

http://web.archive.org/web/20010906101209/http://sphinxtemple.virtualave.net/images/HalfSection.gif

http://web.archive.org/web/20020103094459/http://sphinxtemple.virtualave.net/images/HalfSection.gif

Also, other graphics from the same site:

http://web.archive.org/web/20011030154801/sphinxtemple.virtualave.net/images/westelevation.gif

http://web.archive.org/web/20010906103112/sphinxtemple.virtualave.net/images/HalfSection2.gif


78 posted on 12/13/2004 11:27:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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PROBLEMS WITH MT. SINAI IN SAUDI ARABIA
Compiled by Brad Sparks
http://www.ldolphin.org/sinai.html

A diagnosis for a biblical plague?
Tomb could hold clue to Moses legend
By Charles M. Sennott
The Boston Globe
WEDNESDAY
May 18, 2005
Article Last Updated: 11/26/2004 11:47:21 PM
http://www.sltrib.com/faith/ci_2475207


79 posted on 05/18/2005 5:25:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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related topic:

Theban Mapping Project (Valley of the Kings etc)
Theban Mapping Project | 1980s to present | Kent Weeks et al
Posted on 01/13/2005 8:03:55 PM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1320504/posts


80 posted on 09/27/2005 10:05:24 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: Danae

Unless you find a videotape, I doubt anything will get settled until Judgement Day. And then you better be right.


81 posted on 09/27/2005 10:06:43 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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82 posted on 09/27/2005 10:07:21 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: blam
If you're alive today, you're immune to it.

Maybe the Spanish Flu - which spread pretty much world wide, but certainly not a relatively local plague in ancient Egypt.

83 posted on 08/31/2006 12:58:59 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: blam

pardon my stupid for poking at a two year old post. :)


84 posted on 08/31/2006 1:01:24 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton
"Maybe the Spanish Flu - which spread pretty much world wide, but certainly not a relatively local plague in ancient Egypt."

I don't know if we know it was only local. It was recorded by the Egyptians but may have been wide spread.

The Dark Ages was once thought to have been an European event...we know now that it was worldwide.

85 posted on 08/31/2006 1:26:58 PM PDT by blam
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86 posted on 08/23/2008 11:04:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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Note: this topic was posted 11/23/2004. Thanks blam. One of *those* topics.

87 posted on 02/16/2014 5:37:15 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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