"'There is no separation between islam and radical islam.'
'Oh I assure you there is.'"
There is no separation. They pray in the same mosques, read the same koran, listen to the same clerics encourage them to kill, attend the same schools, make excuses for each others behavior, etc.
I asked you to provide tangible evidence that islam is a "religion of peace" but you were not able to provide any evidence, then stated that my stereotype was wrong. You state that you are not a muslim and know little about islam so I am not sure why you feel that you can make such a statement regarding my "sterotypes". There are muslims who will never murder anyone and who will never become suicide bombers just as there were many Germans in Nazi Germany that did not kill any Jews nor raise a gun to anyone. But when a group of people want acceptance by the world as a group, they must come to terms with the actions of members of their group and work to eliminate barbaric behavior. There is no such movement within islam. The actions of must muslims shows acceptance of radical islam if not outright support. There are a pitiful few muslims who speak out against radical islam and even fewer clerics who do so.
What if President Bush decided to overrun Europe? What if he sent troops to Europe, bombed the factories, destroyed the cities, destroyed the infrastructure, killed millions of innocent people? What if everyone in the US (and the world) knew that this was taking place? What if Congress and the American people said nothing and did nothing to stop this? Would anyone in the world not blame the American people for these actions? While it is far-fetched to think that something like this would happen, the American people would stop this from continuing to take place and would accept responsibility for the actions. Islam exists in a state of denial.
And you use the example of Albania sending troops to Iraq.....so was this a mosque that sent these troops? Or was this the Islamic Republic of Albania that sent troops? Were they sent to fight islamic terrorists? Or were they sent to free Iraq? I would like to see their marching orders that say: "Go fight islamic terrorism".
posted on 11/24/2004 9:43:19 AM PST
(Islam, the cancer on humanity.)
make excuses for each others behavior
Not the ones I know. They're first in line to shout someone, anyone, down for being an idiot.
attend the same schools
Do you mean public schools?
encourage them to kill
Oh really? Well I better sleep with one eye open. You're insane if you believe this.
Remember like a week ago when "sly", that liberal DJ called Rice and Powell racist names, and we were outraged, because who is some *white* DJ to tell black people what kind of boxes they all should fit into? Well who are you to say what kind of box *all* Muslims fit into? A majority, maybe, I won't have a problem if you say majority. But all? This is just ignorance. It's only the liberals out there saying "Muslims can't handle freedom or democracy, they're opposed to it fundamentally." Bush is gonna prove them, and you, wrong. The Muslims in Albania already are proving them wrong.
There are a pitiful few Muslims who speak out against radical Islam and even fewer clerics who do so.
Then we agree there is a movement. Sure it's small, but telling it's members "F-off and get in my 'all Muslims are radical' box" won't help it any.
so was this a mosque that sent these troops
What are you talking about, did a church send the Americans. I don't see a point here.
Or was this the Islamic Republic of Albania
Like America, Albania is not homogeneous, nor under the rule of a theocratic government. Eighty percent or so Muslims, ten Catholics, and some Orthodox Greek for flavor, form the three largest religions. The government of Albania sent the troops based on their assessment of what will make the world safer, without consulting any religious groups, much as happened in America.
Were they sent to fight Islamic terrorists?
Yes. Albanians were outraged over 9-11 because they remember fighting for their own freedom from a radical murderous communist government, and who was on their side.
I am not sure why you feel that you can make such a statement regarding my "stereotypes".
Because I've seen the exception to your stereotypes, which is what we're talking about. You say "all Muslims bad", I say "No, not all, look at these ones." You can't fit people in boxes. There are always ones who don't fit, I'm pointing some out for you. I'm not sure why you feel you can make such a blanket statement regarding the people I'm related to. I mean really, how many radical Albanian Muslims do you know? Better yet, how many Albanians? When you meet one, be sure to thank them for their contribution to the mission in Iraq.
just as there were many Germans in Nazi Germany that did not kill any Jews nor raise a gun to anyone
And some of them helped Jews escape, and are widely recognized as heroes, right? Shouldn't we regard the ones who stand up against evil, at their own risk, AND ALONGSIDE OUR TROOPS, as heroes? Or lump them with the people who look the same, pray the same or come from over there?
posted on 11/24/2004 11:05:49 AM PST
(Better lives have been lost on the gallows than have ever been enshrined in the halls of palaces.)
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