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Apocalypse (Almost) Now
NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

Posted on 11/24/2004 7:19:53 AM PST by DTaggart

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To: Buggman

Your opinion...

Jews have always been suspicious of Christianity as being a throwback to politheism...

And this for the last 1800 years!


61 posted on 11/24/2004 8:32:20 AM PST by Pitiricus
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To: Pitiricus

Sorry for the hiccup...


62 posted on 11/24/2004 8:32:52 AM PST by Pitiricus
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To: DTaggart
No

one

knows

the time or the place

not even Christ;

ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS

These people are charlatans - the Jimmy Swaggerts of Barnes and Noble.

63 posted on 11/24/2004 8:44:05 AM PST by Rutles4Ever ("...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")
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To: Pitiricus
"Jews have always been suspicious of Christianity as being a throwback to politheism."

I'm not an expert, but some scholars now recognize - or claim - that Judaism hasn't always been as rigorously monotheistic as is generally believed. Both before and during the time of Jesus, there were Jewish writings which treated human or angelic beings as somehow on a level with God, or acting as God's regents in a way that was virtually divine. Even the book of Genesis uses a plural form of God when describing the creation. And the Kabballa (sp?) has implications and nuances that are not strictly monotheistic as that term is generally understood. As for Jesus himself, many scholars dispute that he made divine claims for himself, that these crept in a few decades after his death as Christianity moved beyond its Jewish origins. The "Christology" (definition of the nature of Jesus) was hammered out over several centuries, with many Christians taking various views of Jesus' nature which would have been more compatible with Jewish sensibilities.
64 posted on 11/24/2004 8:48:11 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: DTaggart

Ahh, an oldie but goodie from the dunce who helped falsely accused Steve Hatfill of being the anthrax mailer.


65 posted on 11/24/2004 8:50:33 AM PST by jpl (The tribe has spoken, now for goodness sake, get a life.)
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To: Edgerunner

It's a BRAND and they are into brand management, that's all. The also figured out that a single book wouldn't do, so they created a poorly written series that goes on and on, stimulated by good packaging, advertising and millions of credulous readers and the bucks roll in. Whatta concept! When someone invents a new brand, we all wish we had been there at the creation--with a share of the profits, of course.


66 posted on 11/24/2004 8:54:07 AM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: Cornpone

Let me ask this - do you think there ever will be a Second Coming of Christ? I agree there has been a lot of hype in past years, but all one needs to look at are the events in the Middle East to know something is going on.

The Jews did not return to Israel until 1948, that was the missing piece in many pre-1948 end time scenarios.

I would never claim to know what the future will bring, but I am Catholic and know He will return at some point. The Bible says that no one will know exactly when, but there will be signs. Personally, I feel something is going to happen soon, but that means nothing to anyone else.

Do you believe in Revelations entirely or just certain parts? If so, what parts.


67 posted on 11/24/2004 9:01:11 AM PST by Right in Wisconsin
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To: boilerfan; Pitiricus

"Baa Baa!"


Ummm...that describes the sound that both animals make.


68 posted on 11/24/2004 9:03:53 AM PST by Blzbba (Conservative Republican - Less gov't, less spending, less intrusion.)
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To: Pitiricus

Suspicion I can deal with, given the sometimes clumsy way Christians deal with the concept of the Trinity and given the persecution of the Jewish people for the last 1800 years by professing Christians. But when dealing with Evangelicals or Messianics who believe that Israel is still God's chosen nation, and who are discovering the richness of the Scriptures, both the Tanakh and the New Testament, when illuminated by the light of the Jewish culture that God established through Moshe, and who repudiate and condemn all of the persecution done against the Jewish people in Yeshua's (Jesus') name, you really don't have to be disagreeable just because we disagree on the Messiah's identity.


69 posted on 11/24/2004 9:06:05 AM PST by Buggman (Your failure to be informed does not make me a kook.)
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To: DTaggart
WOW! You've done your bible studies. Let me guess, you were raise an Catholic and your were an alter boy. No.. Sorry..That was John Kerry. I have 2 easy question that I already know the answers too, but lets get you on record...Ok. 1.Have you ever read the bible? I don't mean do google searches just to counter your critics. 2.Why would someone who is truly ignorant to Christianity go off half cocked spewing snid bits of info you stole from Slate.com articles and even care about how much someone makes off there publications? What if we asked you what you made or are going to make off your anti-american, anti-christian, anti-jewish, anti-freedom, homosexual propaganda, NAMBLA loving, ACLU-ism biography? You would think that is none of anyones business. Oh ya...You are liberal and your group think loud rants about others doesn't apply to you. Let me ask you... Who do you admire more Pol Pot or Mumia Abu-Jamal? Or do the moral empties care?
70 posted on 11/24/2004 9:09:46 AM PST by coffee260
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To: Blzbba

"Why don't they use the millions of dollars in profits to help the poor - and increase their own chances of getting into heaven?"

That would be equating works with righteousness instead of faith alone being sufficient for righteousness. The simple answer is they don't believe that works increase their chances of getting into heaven. Faith is all that's needed.


71 posted on 11/24/2004 9:12:08 AM PST by kalee
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To: DTaggart
From the looks of this opinion piece I can now understand why the Israelis are working towards returning Jerusalem to Palestine.
72 posted on 11/24/2004 9:12:27 AM PST by pete anderson
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To: Buggman

Did you read the start of the thread? These evangelicals believe that Jews will be sent to Hell... This is why most Israelis (and most Jews) are very suspicious of them... It's not ahavat Israel you see here!

Some say that the only real Jews are the ones that converted to Christianity... (Met some...)

Some do discover the Tanakh, but very few... Generally they love to say where we Jews do not understand our own scriptures...

The way to get respect is to respect others... I haven't seen a respect for Judaism and its millenia-old traditions in most evangelists...


73 posted on 11/24/2004 9:15:48 AM PST by Pitiricus
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To: coffee260

Gee you sound like like like -- one of them PHARISEES -- who thought salvation applied only -- to THEM.

Woops, Christ engaged a PAGAN Roman Soldier and praised his faith? Paul preached to GENTILES? Of course not! God's condeming all of them!

I guess I'm just one of them rosary-swingin' papists going to hell because a couple-a "Christians" figured out they could sell books by pushing cotton-candy theology in a series of books destined for garage sales across this great land.

Forget not the publican in the temple... he will be in heaven quicker than any of us.


74 posted on 11/24/2004 9:17:39 AM PST by Rutles4Ever ("...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")
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To: escapefromboston

Our family homeschool and we just read Chesterton's The Man Who Was Thursday. What a book!!!!!!
I had read and loved the Chronicles of Narnia from my childhood and was thrilled to re-read those with my own children. I had never read the Space Trilogy before last year. I'm not a Sci-fi fan, but found I enjoyed those, too, as did my son.


75 posted on 11/24/2004 9:19:52 AM PST by kalee
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To: kalee
The man who was thursday is an excellent book.

May I suggest Chesterton's "the flying inn" It talks about how politicians in England pretty much let the Muslims take over (more or less). A fairly prophetic book.
76 posted on 11/24/2004 9:22:31 AM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: MVP)
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To: DTaggart
[ Why don't they use the millions of dollars in profits to help the poor - and increase their own chances of getting into heaven? ]

I see... You don't get it...
That sentence says more than the whole screed..
My opinion is this sentence displays "the blindness"..

Since Jesus came to make ALL religions obsolete, and DID..

You evidently overlook the heinous disease religion has been to mankind.. ALL OF THEM.. and yet seem to reject the very one that saved many from them.. What would a REAL god even need with a religion.?.. yours OR mine.. What is a religion but an organization that takes the place of God, a business really.?.

There are many "Gods" in this world.. all of them mental constructs.. Jesus spoke in metaphors(parables) mostly.. You might not understand any of them.. I don't understand them all either, completely..

Like some atheists say, "If there is no God then there ought to be one"... Thats the least arrogant of them anyway.. But the sentence above.. is the base of some socialists world and of course socialism "IS" slavery to government.. If a socialist had any sense he/she wouldn't be a socialist..

77 posted on 11/24/2004 9:28:45 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Strategerist

"Having glanced at a couple in a bookstore they actually manage to be more poorly-written than the DaVinci Code,"

Much more poorly-written. I read the first three books of the series, just to see if they'd be interesting. The characters were completely wooden, the dialog was unbelievable. The plot was absolutely transparent.

No, thanks.


78 posted on 11/24/2004 9:52:20 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: DTaggart

Does this article have a source?


79 posted on 11/24/2004 9:52:38 AM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: hosepipe

"Like some atheists say, "If there is no God then there ought to be one"... "

Hmm...don't think I've ever heard an atheist say that.

I've sure heard a lot of them say that human societies need gods to reinforce the rules of society and to explain what is unexplainable to that society. So, they invent the ones that work for their society.

That's my view, as well.


80 posted on 11/24/2004 9:58:12 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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