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Tanks Headed Towards Kiev
Maidan ^ | November 24, 2004

Posted on 11/24/2004 3:57:47 PM PST by mrobison

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To: cicero's_son; Grampa Dave; Matthew Paul; Grzegorz 246; MeekOneGOP; Happy2BMe; Smartass; ...

151 posted on 11/24/2004 7:29:32 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: bonfire

Yes indeed, "The Great Gate at Kiev".


152 posted on 11/24/2004 7:30:06 PM PST by OKSooner
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To: MarMema

Well the pharm industry surely hates me. Never ill, doctor for a physical every two years, don't even take aspirin but once every couple years. Another misconception of yours crushed to smithereens. Or was it not a misconception but just a garden variety pan Slavist discrediting operation attempt.

As an aside, I do find it humorous, that here I am, ethnically "pan Slavic" (but for a slight amount of German and Mongol blood and with acknowlegement of being more or less assimilated into Anglo American culture) arguing with an American born WASP who buys into Pan Slavism. Amazing, truly amazing! The world has gone completely mad....


153 posted on 11/24/2004 7:31:11 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: cicero's_son
There is not a doubt in my mind that Putin would steal an election in a heartbeat. IMHO He wants to put the old Soviet Union back together. I don't think this guy ever stopped being the head of the kgb. They just call it something different now. Freedom in Russia is disappearing rapidly. With the Russians actions always speak louder than words.
154 posted on 11/24/2004 7:33:01 PM PST by rodguy911 ( President Reagan---all the rest.)
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To: GOP_1900AD

WASP? I don't think so. Define this word for me.


155 posted on 11/24/2004 7:36:03 PM PST by MarMema
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To: GOP_1900AD
The world has gone completely mad....

Are you a Christian, do you mind my asking?

156 posted on 11/24/2004 7:36:40 PM PST by MarMema
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To: GOP_1900AD; Hamiltonian
I'm skeptical about this report of 12 tanks moving on Kyiv. Aren't they already there? Or did they break down? Does the Ukraine even have 12 tanks in working order?

From an article last April:

...But the corruption is much wider and more universal. For example: in 2001 according to the inventory by our armed forces, 200 tanks were in use and combat-ready. And they were happy about it. But now it has been shown that from 2000-2001 in the Ukrainian armed forces only 10(!) tanks were in use.

From one point of view, there is optimism. Since the tanks are still there, it means no one stole them. But so far as much as the utilization of tanks costs money, would it not be interesting to find out where the money went that was to be used for maintenance of the other 190 tanks, which, according to the military, were being utilized and at full combat readiness?


157 posted on 11/24/2004 7:37:19 PM PST by struwwelpeter
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To: rodguy911

Hopefully someone can post some pics of these tanks soon, because I don't think many pharmacies are open tomorrow.


158 posted on 11/24/2004 7:37:51 PM PST by MarMema
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To: struwwelpeter
"I think it was the former president of Georgia who was the big foreign minister for Gorby."

That's right! It was Georgia!! I still can't remember his name, but, oh well...

159 posted on 11/24/2004 7:40:42 PM PST by SierraWasp ("Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" - Barry Goldwater when he was in his right mind)
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To: MarMema
I've had enough fun for today, I'm goin' to the local pharmacy and get a couple of aspirin and call it a day. Good night all and happy Thanksgiving.
160 posted on 11/24/2004 7:42:38 PM PST by rodguy911 ( President Reagan---all the rest.)
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To: SierraWasp

Shevardnaze? Something like that...


161 posted on 11/24/2004 7:43:36 PM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Still teaching... or a reasonable facsimile thereof...)
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To: struwwelpeter

Did the Ukraine give up its arsenal of nuclear weapons to Russia or was that Belarus?


162 posted on 11/24/2004 7:43:43 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: GOP_1900AD
"...arguing with an American born WASP"

Pardon me, but I don't remember arguing with you.

163 posted on 11/24/2004 7:44:05 PM PST by SierraWasp ("Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" - Barry Goldwater when he was in his right mind)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

Eduard Shevardzne. His wife was nationalistic to the point of evil. May still be, for all I know.


164 posted on 11/24/2004 7:45:09 PM PST by MarMema
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To: MarMema
"WASP? I don't think so. Define this word for me."

That'd be me!!!

165 posted on 11/24/2004 7:45:37 PM PST by SierraWasp ("Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" - Barry Goldwater when he was in his right mind)
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To: SierraWasp

Oh I feel so much better. I thought I was the WASP, and here it turns out it was you all along. :-) Whew.


166 posted on 11/24/2004 7:45:53 PM PST by MarMema
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To: rodguy911

Have a great day!


167 posted on 11/24/2004 7:46:27 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Sawdring

It was the Ukraine, here's a clipping from an article on the 'liquidation' of the last RS-22. If I get the time, I'll try to find the original post about this, from 2001 or so.

168 posted on 11/24/2004 7:47:22 PM PST by struwwelpeter
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To: GOP_1900AD
which depicts a messianic role for Russia

Stalin just borrowed it. It is an old Orthodox belief.

169 posted on 11/24/2004 7:47:59 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

That's it!!! But he was a Georgian, not a Ukranian. I had him in the wrong country. Thank you very much! My mind is at rest, once again.


170 posted on 11/24/2004 7:48:09 PM PST by SierraWasp ("Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" - Barry Goldwater when he was in his right mind)
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To: SierraWasp

You remember correctly. Well at least you know who you are, unlike some others here! ;)


171 posted on 11/24/2004 7:49:13 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: MarMema

Yes.


172 posted on 11/24/2004 7:49:35 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: cicero's_son

You have a great Thanksgiving. And do post the pics of those tanks when you get them.


174 posted on 11/24/2004 7:50:00 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Sawdring

On the books and officially, Ukraine turned over all nukes and all TU-95 and TU-160 bombers and all ICBM subs during the early 90s, perhaps into the mid 90s. The key operative here, of course, is, "officially."


175 posted on 11/24/2004 7:51:28 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: cicero's_son
I beg your pardon. My husband is a Ukrainian and so are many of our closest friends. That makes my son 1/2 Ukrainian and all of my inlaws either very Ukrainian ( many speak it), or somewhat Ukrainian. Depends on how you want to view it.

Speak for yourself in the future to avoid looking stupid.

176 posted on 11/24/2004 7:52:14 PM PST by MarMema
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To: GOP_1900AD
Amazing we're going to get involved in this.

Talk about wrong war, wrong time.

And I'm a war-monger, too, sheesh.

177 posted on 11/24/2004 7:53:19 PM PST by txhurl
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To: MarMema
Well... You might still be it, if you are White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP)!!!

This Waspman prolly ain't it, so back to you bein "it!"

178 posted on 11/24/2004 7:53:24 PM PST by SierraWasp ("Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" - Barry Goldwater when he was in his right mind)
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To: struwwelpeter
Ukraine Special Weapons
179 posted on 11/24/2004 7:54:16 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: MarMema

Well then, you must have lied when I asked you about your background. You told me you had been converted to Eastern Orthodox Christianity from being a protestant. And you look like a White Anglo Saxon, or maybe German or Scandanavian, based on the photo of you at that Jim Rob BBQ.


180 posted on 11/24/2004 7:54:16 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: SierraWasp

Hmm, let me look around and see who I can pass it off on. Doesn't fit for me either. :-)


181 posted on 11/24/2004 7:54:43 PM PST by MarMema
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To: GOP_1900AD; Sawdring
Here's one of several articles on it:

Ukraine Has Destroyed Its Nuclear Weapons

182 posted on 11/24/2004 7:55:34 PM PST by struwwelpeter
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To: GOP_1900AD
from being a protestant

From being an atheist.

183 posted on 11/24/2004 7:55:51 PM PST by MarMema
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To: mrobison

Tanks giving day comes early in Russia.


184 posted on 11/24/2004 7:56:39 PM PST by FreedomSurge
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To: MarMema

Wow, is this wierdo skulking you or what!

Best not to respond to dimwits like this.


185 posted on 11/24/2004 7:58:05 PM PST by katnip (Defeating John Kerry is like giving Vietnam Veterans the Homecoming they never had)
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To: FreedomSurge; JohnHuang2
Quote of the day at 184.
186 posted on 11/24/2004 7:58:32 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: mrobison

Well, this could take some heat off the US for being the worlds bully for a while. Has anybody seen A.N.S.W.E.R. marches in the Kiev yet ?


187 posted on 11/24/2004 7:58:34 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: GOP_1900AD; MarMema

How 'bout a "white Russian?"


188 posted on 11/24/2004 7:59:13 PM PST by SierraWasp ("Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" - Barry Goldwater when he was in his right mind)
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To: JBlain

The essesence.


189 posted on 11/24/2004 7:59:34 PM PST by Rebelbase (Indiscriminate reprisals strengthen the terrorists. Targeted ones weaken them. Aim is everything.)
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To: All

Where are all the commie anti-war protest groups ?


190 posted on 11/24/2004 8:00:20 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: katnip
You mean GOP? He and I actually go way back. He's ok.

It's that Other Russophobe, Kafir or Shamil or whatever his real name is, that gives me the willies.

191 posted on 11/24/2004 8:00:47 PM PST by MarMema
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To: FreedomSurge

192 posted on 11/24/2004 8:00:54 PM PST by katnip (Defeating John Kerry is like giving Vietnam Veterans the Homecoming they never had)
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To: John Lenin

LOL. Excellent question.


193 posted on 11/24/2004 8:01:06 PM PST by MarMema
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To: PhilDragoo
That's 1992-94 info. Like others have posted, who knows what actually happened. The US taxpayers paid for the 'official' destruction of Ukraine's nukes, but this article from last April disclosed some really crappy record-keeping:
It's probable that the military will have to answer a series of unpleasant questions. For example, how did it occur that the officially "liquidated" RS-18 (NATO SS-19 "Stilleto") which were destroyed or removed from the territory of the Ukraine in 1999, three years later turned out to still have 31 examples sitting in silos and warehouses? Or: what happened to those 230 "extra" nuclear warheads which - according to information from the general headquarters of the Ukrainian armed forces - existed, but - according to a declaration by the MoD - suddenly did not exist? The fact of the matter is, that the MoD reported on the transfer or destruction by the Ukraine of 3772 nuclear warheads, while the general staff reported that there were more than 4000. This "miscalculation" (for want of a stronger term) either occurred during the time of General/People's Deputy Kuz'muk's reign at the ministry of defense, or the conflicting data was published during his term. It's highly likely that until the end of 2000 the Ukrainian ministry of defense "increased" its supply of nuclear warheads by 25% in order to receive a corresponding increase in active international financing and aid in removing these weapons.
There probably weren't any loose nukes, just a bit of chicanery to inflate their foreign aid request. We hope ;-)
194 posted on 11/24/2004 8:02:07 PM PST by struwwelpeter
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To: katnip

No skulking. There were a whole bunch of photos from a Jim Rob BBQ in Seattle and names were named. Anyone in the world, let alone Freepers, could see them. Now here's a challange - try and find photos of me anywhere on the web. Good luck.


195 posted on 11/24/2004 8:02:10 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: PhilDragoo

I'll second that motion!!! A Ruskie Tanks Giving, fer shure!!!


196 posted on 11/24/2004 8:02:28 PM PST by SierraWasp ("Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" - Barry Goldwater when he was in his right mind)
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To: GOP_1900AD

Ping to 191.


197 posted on 11/24/2004 8:03:19 PM PST by MarMema
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To: b2stealth

"Don't be surprised when putin stabs America in the back.."

Nah..Bush looked into his soul and found him to be good.


198 posted on 11/24/2004 8:03:54 PM PST by Rebelbase (Indiscriminate reprisals strengthen the terrorists. Targeted ones weaken them. Aim is everything.)
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To: JBlain
Is there any confirmation on this. Is this a DEBKA type source??? Did the tanks come from Russia?

The tanks came from the South, which makes it almost certain they are NOT FROM RUSSIA.
199 posted on 11/24/2004 8:04:45 PM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: MarMema

Well I appreciate the vote of confidence. You know other than here at FR I am a totally predictable, boring, corporate family man.:=) It's funny how people can concoct the most amazing and exagerated images. Well, Happy Thanksgiving.


200 posted on 11/24/2004 8:05:00 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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