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God Is Banned From Thanksgiving In Maryland Public Schools
useless-knowledge.com ^ | Nov. 23, 2004 | Sher Zieve

Posted on 11/25/2004 12:22:30 AM PST by Exton1

God Is Banned From Thanksgiving In Maryland Public Schools

By Sher Zieve Nov. 23, 2004

Although the Thanksgiving Holiday and celebration were founded upon giving thanks to God, Maryland public schools have banned students from giving thanks to Him. This school system is adamant that ‘students may give thanks to anyone but, God’. Charles Ridgell, St. Mary's County Public Schools curriculum and instruction director, said: "We teach about Thanksgiving from a purely historical perspective, not from a religious perspective." The problem with this statement is that Thanksgiving, in the United States, was founded upon Christian religious tenets. Therefore, any accurate “historical perspective” must include the religious aspects of the fête.

This is, yet, another example of the US public school systems working in concert with the atheist ACLU. This is the same tactic they have used for years to outlaw Christmas, in favor of ‘Winter Holiday’. However, recently Christmas is coming back and the ACLU has been [increasingly] less-than-successful in blocking the placement of Christmas decorations on public grounds. This Thanksgiving without God debacle is, also, another step toward the ACLU’s and other leftists’ attempts to bar God completely from the US.

With the presidential election over, we voters have spoken. And, what we said was that we neither want nor will we accept a Godless and leftist run Socio-Communist form of government. However, as usual, what the left can’t win by elections it will try to force down our throats via intimidation or judicial command. For too many years, “Political Correctness” (AKA PC) has impinged upon our basic sanities; from raising our sons to be wimps our daughters to be amazons and teaching all of our children that competing for anything is a ‘bad thing’. These are not only insane practices but, are destroying our kids and the future leaders of our country. But, PC is another tactic toward the dissolution of the United States that the leftists have used… all too effectively. As we won the election, fair and square, isn’t it time we actually took the country back from the secularists and leftist nuts? I think it is.

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About the author: About the author: Sher Zieve is a Conservative political commentator. She firmly believes that if Leftists were to run the country (and left to their own devices), it would be the end of the United States as a sovereign nation.

Email: earthseed@iwon.com

Mr. Charles Ridgell
Supervisor of Social Studies
St. Mary's County Public Schools
P.O. Box 641
Leonardtown, MD 20650


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; 666; antichristian; atheism; bigotry; constitution; educashun; education; firstamendment; freespeech; governmentschools; marxist; morality; pompous; priorrestraint; publicschools; publicskrewels; screwel

1 posted on 11/25/2004 12:22:31 AM PST by Exton1
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To: Exton1
Charles Ridgell, St. Mary's County Public Schools curriculum and instruction director, said: "We teach about Thanksgiving from a purely historical perspective, not from a religious perspective."

He is a hard-boiled liar.

2 posted on 11/25/2004 12:27:27 AM PST by ppaul
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To: Exton1
Department of Curriculum and Instruction
St. Mary's County Public Schools
23160 Moakley Street, Suite 101
Leonardtown, MD 20650
Phone (301) 475-5511, option 5 Fax (301) 475-4229

Dr. Charles Ridgell Director of Secondary Education

3 posted on 11/25/2004 12:27:45 AM PST by Exton1
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To: Exton1
Lets see, they are banning God in Maryland, and the Constitution in California, in Alabama they carted away the Ten Commandments on a furniture dolly.

Seems someone is trying to send us a message.

4 posted on 11/25/2004 12:31:00 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

Send us a message, HELL!

The Godless left is doing all they can to remove any semblance of faith from the public square.

There's a backlash acomin'; BIGtime!


5 posted on 11/25/2004 12:33:58 AM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Seems someone is trying to send us a message.

And who could that be, hmmmmm?
You don't suppose it could be, oh, I dunno,
maybe SATAN?!!!


6 posted on 11/25/2004 12:36:06 AM PST by ppaul
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To: ppaul

Hehe....


7 posted on 11/25/2004 12:43:03 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: clee1
Send us a message, HELL! The Godless left is doing all they can to remove any semblance of faith from the public square.

Uh, I would guess, that would be their message.

8 posted on 11/25/2004 12:45:59 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Lindykim; DirtyHarryY2K; Siamese Princess; Ed Current; Grampa Dave; Luircin; gonow; John O; ...

Moral Absolutes Ping. One last one for the night.

Actually, I'm glad that public screwels are being so upfront about their loyalty to the ACLU, atheism, historical revisionism, hatred towards religion (with the notable exception of Islam - things that make you go Hmmmm...), feminism, and last but not least, "gay"ism.

Today we've seen the Declaration of Independence declared vertboten in a California school, a dudge - I mean judge - decreeing that schoolchildren can have immersion in Islam while not a Bible can be read or prayer pass their lips, and now Thanksgiving is only historical.

Giving thanks to WHOM? And since George Washington declared the first Thanksgiving officially for the newly independent United States of America (can't remember the date, it's been posted here today and Rush read it), the historical relevance and religious significance cannot be separated.

Anyway, it's better to know your enemies. Let them be who they are, personally I'm tired of being Mr. Nice Guy.

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.


9 posted on 11/25/2004 12:46:05 AM PST by little jeremiah (Moral absolutes are what make humans human.)
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To: little jeremiah

The first rule is that there can be no more David Souters or John Paul Stevens appointed to the Supreme Court by Republican presidents. Dumbo Jerry Ford was told NOT to appoint Stevens back in 1976 by conservative senators but he did it anyway, with defiance. As a consequence we have had a reliable ACLU supporter on the highest court for nearly 30 years.


10 posted on 11/25/2004 12:58:45 AM PST by laconic
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To: laconic

I hope to God that GWB appoints some real conservatives to the SCOTUS. No more grey areas that turn out to be leftists. With the majorities in the House and Senate, and no re-election dancing necessary, there's no reason to shilly shally.

With any luck, two may have to be replaced - you think three maybe?

Not wishing ill to any of the judges (with one or two exceptions...) - just that two or three are pretty old and may want to step down. How old is Bader Meinhoff Ginsberg, anyway?)


11 posted on 11/25/2004 1:05:59 AM PST by little jeremiah (Moral absolutes are what make humans human.)
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To: laconic
I've read that Souter was "recruited" to the dark side by the late Pamela Harriman.

Souter was a social cipher who had no friends and no bedmate (of whatever gender), so Pamela fixed him up, and guests at her parties told Souter how smart he was, and the rest is history.

It perhaps helped that Laurence Tribe of Harvard has been using his former students who get clerk appointments to the Supreme Court to back-channel "helpful" precedents to Justices Souter and Kennedy, according to a column by Bob Novak. Novak also said Kennedy was lobbied by Tribe directly during a Viennese judicial congress, during the reconsideration of Roe vs. Wade (in which case, btw, one of the counsellors for Roe and intervenors was an attorney named Ruth Bader Ginzburg). It was illegal for Tribe and Kennedy to confer on U.S. soil, so Tribe just intercepted Kennedy outside U.S. jurisdiction. Larry, such chutzpah! -- but we know how important it is not to have an overreaching, juridical-imperial liberal precedent overturned! Heck, the overturning itself would be a precedent!

That's what I love about liberals. When the going gets tough, the stuff gets flowing.

12 posted on 11/25/2004 1:16:40 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Exton1
It has got to be the most frustrating thing on the planet to argue with a liberal about the so called "separation clause".

You can tell them until you are blue in the face, that it does not exist, and they look at you like your crazy.

On one occasion, I pulled my pocket copy of the Constitution out and asked this idiot to find it, after he claimed repeatedly that it is there.

He got frustrated when he could not see it and claimed I had ripped the page out.

Then he spotted the CATO institute name on the book and claimed it was a Republican version.

I tried, oh man I tried! But he never budged, he never accepted that it did not have a separation clause.

I determined that when he read the Establishment clause, that he read it correctly as not referring to separation.

It is amazing that a lie told thousands of times becomes the truth, and believers of that truth will accept no other.

13 posted on 11/25/2004 1:32:59 AM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary.-Wordsworth)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Souter at least was a cipher, a nonentity that Bush Sr. thought necessary to push thru a Dem Senate while unelected Jerry Ford knew exactly where Stevens stood.


14 posted on 11/25/2004 1:50:35 AM PST by laconic
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To: Cold Heat
Just so we know what we are talking about, the First Amendments says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

What will it take in America for the ACLU and the Supreme Court actually to recognize the WHOLE statement, not just the part they like?

15 posted on 11/25/2004 3:01:11 AM PST by NetValue (Trust the cobra before you trust the liberal.)
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To: Exton1

Maryland: a democrat state where your children are indoctrinated into homosexuality as a good thing and as a form of family....and where the very mention of GOD in the classroom is forbidden and will get you sued by the ACLU. What is wrong with THIS picture?


16 posted on 11/25/2004 3:04:30 AM PST by NetValue (Trust the cobra before you trust the liberal.)
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To: Exton1
"...anyone but, God’. Charles Ridgell, St. Mary's County Public Schools..."

How ironic...they want to diminish God and religious beliefs in America's history. Some deny their fore-parents were religious people.

If so Mr. Ridgell...explain the name of your County!

17 posted on 11/25/2004 3:22:24 AM PST by daffyduct
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To: NetValue; All
Before Maryland gets an unfair rep for this (we have enough problems as it is), it is a complete falsehood that the state has banned God or religion from classrooms, Thanksgiving holiday or not. Governor Robert Ehrlich publicly stated yesterday that no such ban existed, and even opined that teaching Thanksgiving without mentioning the religious underpinnings is nearly impossible.

In Maryland, public school curricula are determined at the local level. Pound on the character who said this (if he did), not the state or its current leadership.

18 posted on 11/25/2004 4:22:34 AM PST by Mr. Bird
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To: daffyduct

St. Mary's County was named long before the attacks on God came about in the US. I am sure if it were being named now it would not be allowed to use the name. As a matter of fact St. Marys County was at one time a largely catholic community formed by people fleeing Religious persecution in England.


19 posted on 11/25/2004 4:27:53 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: little jeremiah
Please add me to your ping list.

My children attend the St. Mary's County public schools, and I hadn't heard about this from any of them. I'm not sure the context in which this statement was made; maybe it was discussing an elementary school Thanksgiving lunch or something.

Your question about "giving thanks to whom?" is exactly on point. It's like being "blessed" or "gifted." Those blessings and gifts must come from somewhere, but that "somewhere" is not addressed by the atheists.

This is all so ironic, when one considers that St. Mary's county was founded by Catholics seeking religious freedom. Many families in the county date back to the early settlers.

The county is very Republican, went for W in a big way, but the schools are definitely operated by the left.

20 posted on 11/25/2004 4:41:17 AM PST by Blue Eyes (Operating behind enemy lines in Pajamastan.)
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To: Exton1
"We teach about Thanksgiving from a purely historical perspective, not from a religious perspective."

A lot like teaching about dairy products without mentioning Cows.

This guy is tasting shoe leather and he doesn't even know it...And he probably thinks religious people are ignorant.

21 posted on 11/25/2004 4:44:56 AM PST by Tom Bombadil
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To: Joe Hadenuf

We sent the left a message on 2 November 2004. Evidently they are acting just like they always do when they are losing. Yes they are losing and they are getting desparate. God Bless America!


22 posted on 11/25/2004 4:56:36 AM PST by JOE43270 (JOE43270 America voted and said we are One Nation Under God with Liberty and Justice for All.)
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To: NetValue
It will take many successful lawsuits by Alliance Defense Fund and others. That will get their attention.

I haven't been following closely, but there is a huge movement in the EU to return God to their so-called Constitution. If this is successful and if it changes current EU case law, even our EUrophile judiciary at the SCOTUS will have to acknowledge the international demand for the recognition of religion and religious practice by Jews and Christians.

OTOH, Muslims are automatically, it seems, granted every demand they make on the basis of their religion.
23 posted on 11/25/2004 5:13:33 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: Exton1
"Students may give thanks to anyone but, God."

Uh...this is probably a silly question...but whom should they thank?

Government? The Democrat Party? Politicians? Leftist leaders? Karl Marx? Sixties Hippies? The "Mainstream Newsmedia"? Dan Rather? Bill and Hillary? "Camelot"?

One thing's for sure--the Muslims are not in doubt.

24 posted on 11/25/2004 5:36:42 AM PST by Savage Beast (This is the choice: confrontation or capitulation. Appeasement is capitulation.)
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To: Exton1

And this from one of the RED counties in Maryland. I lived in St Mary's for 7 years and I HATED every day of it. Too many SMIB's.


25 posted on 11/25/2004 5:37:32 AM PST by Living Free in NH (Where am I and why am I in this handbasket?)
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To: clee1
"There's a backlash acomin'; BIGtime!"

You can bet the farm on that! The human desire for God is more fundamental and indelible than is human sexuality--and trying to suppress it is more explosive than trying to suppress sexuality.

26 posted on 11/25/2004 5:40:18 AM PST by Savage Beast (This is the choice: confrontation or capitulation. Appeasement is capitulation.)
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To: Exton1

What is the matter with you spineless Christians in Maryland? Why should you support a godless organization with your tax dollars? God will ask you to give an account in this blatant rejection of Him and your part in it. When the government will not allow Pres. George Washington's declaration of the first Thanksgiving to be read in public schools, this is no longer a free country.
Let's just say they wouldn't try this in Texas.


27 posted on 11/25/2004 5:44:32 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Blue Eyes

"The county is very Republican, went for W in a big way, but the schools are definitely operated by the left."

Can you name just one Public School System that isn't run by the left?.....The answer should tell you something.


28 posted on 11/25/2004 6:00:14 AM PST by Navydog
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To: Blue Eyes

I'm from St. Mary's, too, like Blue Eyes. Trust me, folks, people don't get any better than they make 'em in St. Mary's County, and I promise you the people of the county do not support this asanine statement. The county is still chock full of devout Catholics, many of them descendants of the original Catholic families.


29 posted on 11/25/2004 6:10:52 AM PST by DC native
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To: Living Free in NH

The SMIBs do all the real work while the gubbmint employees on the base pick their noses, twiddle their thumbs, collect paychecks three times the size of SMIB paychecks, and make condescending remarks about SMIBS.


30 posted on 11/25/2004 6:15:41 AM PST by DC native
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To: little jeremiah

The public schools certainly aren't doing themselves any favors.

There was a story recently in educationnews.org about a public school in CA that went caput. It is no more. It's boarded up. Gone. Withered and died on the vine.

Parents pulled their kids out for private schools and charters.


31 posted on 11/25/2004 6:17:25 AM PST by ladylib ("Marc Tucker Letter to Hillary Clinton" says it all.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

Ping me when its time for the pitchforks and torches. I'm really beginnin to think its 'bout time......


32 posted on 11/25/2004 7:41:46 AM PST by festus (Old growth timbers make the best campfires....)
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To: DC native

I agree with you, the 3 years we spent there while my wife was on shore duty at PAX River was great. And I agree with you on the Gov't. workers on the base. Having recently retired at that time...most of them made me want to smack them around *L*


33 posted on 11/25/2004 8:33:09 AM PST by Bottom_Gun (Crush depth dummy)
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To: Blue Eyes

You'll be added right now!

It is true that leftists have dominated the school system for quite some time. People who don't check out their kids' text books are in for a shock. Any responsible parent should spend a LOT of time investigating what their children are being taught in school. Aren't parents allowed to visit schools - even spend a day, sitting in desks and seeing what's really going on?

Just about every textbook I've seen in the last 20 years has socialist (and now worse) propaganda mixed in with lessons. What to speak of outright indoctrination.

You're not likely going to hear everything from your children. Children's intellectual acumen just isn't there yet, they don't necessarily recognize crap when it's delivered by the "Teacher" in a nice tone of voice. Any parent who is sending their children to government screwels should check everything being taught very, very carefully.

You might be in for some unpleasant surprises.


34 posted on 11/25/2004 8:34:19 AM PST by little jeremiah (Moral absolutes are what make humans human.)
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To: ladylib

Woo Hoo! One down, how many to go?


35 posted on 11/25/2004 8:35:54 AM PST by little jeremiah (Moral absolutes are what make humans human.)
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To: little jeremiah

Oh, about 50,000.


36 posted on 11/25/2004 8:37:35 AM PST by ladylib ("Marc Tucker Letter to Hillary Clinton" says it all.)
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To: ladylib

Well, it's a start!


37 posted on 11/25/2004 8:42:03 AM PST by little jeremiah (Moral absolutes are what make humans human.)
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