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CFI Spokesman: United Way, Target Should Get Nothing from Christians This Christmas
Agape Press ^ | 11/24/04 | Bill Fancher and Allie Martin

Posted on 11/25/2004 5:34:53 AM PST by truthandlife

A pro-family organization has issued an alert to those who may be considering giving to one of the nation's largest charities this holiday season. The group's spokesman is warding donors away from United Way, and he also wants shoppers to know a thing or two about Target stores.

Bob Knight, director of the Culture and Family Institute, says the United Way has been crossed off his gift list. That is because the well-known charity refuses to share its money with the Boy Scouts of America while it openly supports numerous pro-homosexual groups with its money.

"I don't know why people still give to United Way," Knight says. He contends that people are already giving to government bureaucrats by paying taxes, so he asks, "why would you give to a group of private bureaucrats who have decided as a group that the Boy Scouts are worthy of being kicked out of various chapters across the country."

The Scouts had been a long-time beneficiary of United Way funding, until pressure from the homosexual community led to the BSA groups nationwide being cut out because their national organization promotes faith and moral values and prohibits homosexuals from serving as scoutmasters. Since then, at least 50 United Way chapters across the U.S. have excluded the Boy Scouts from a share of their fund-raising drives, claiming the BSA's Christian values are discriminatory.

But it is the apparent discrimination against the Scouts by the United Way that has angered Knight. Although not all the nation's United Way chapters have severed ties with the BSA, he points out that "the national headquarters has done nothing to stop the trend." Meanwhile, a major portion of the money the charity collects is being given to pro-homosexual groups.

CFI's director is urging individuals who are seeking out charitable giving opportunities to consider the manner in which the BSA has been treated by the United Way, and the organization's ongoing financial support of the homosexual agenda. Personally, Knight says, "I wouldn't give them a dime."

Unfortunately the United Way is not the only major U.S. organization that is drawing the pro-family leader's ire. In a recent interview on the Christian Broadcasting Network, he mentioned the recent announcement by Target that the retailer would not be allowing non-profit groups to solicit outside its stores this year. This means the familiar Salvation Army bell ringers will not be able to set up their kettles and collect donations at Target locations this shopping season.

Knight feels people of faith should be outraged over the retailer's actions. "Millions of Christians give Target millions of dollars," he says, "and what have they gotten from Target in return? A lump of coal. I think they ought to be ashamed of themselves, and I think consumers ought to take this into account when they do their Christmas shopping."

Salvation Army officials say Target stores nationwide helped raise about nine million dollars through last year's kettle campaign. Major George Hood, a spokesman for the Christian service organization, says the new policy prohibiting nonprofits from soliciting outside the department stores will hit some local communities hard.

"One Salvation Army officer said to me that the Target money that's raised in his community represents 75 percent of the income that he has in that community," Hood says. "When you begin to strip budgets of 75 percent of a revenue stream, it means that some very difficult decisions will have to be made in those local communities about what they will be able to do during the holidays with families, and what they will be able to do all year long once the Christmas season is over."

Still, God is in control, the Salvation Army representative notes. He says he is trusting in that truth, and he also believes many Christians who normally might have contributed at Target will help make up any deficit in the season's collections by increasing their kettle donations at other retail locations.


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1 posted on 11/25/2004 5:34:54 AM PST by truthandlife
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To: truthandlife

My husband donates to United Way at work through payroll deduction. It is such a corrupt organization. Several times people at the top of UW have gotten caught stealing MILLION$. I don't donate to them at all. I give things to Salvation Army and Goodwill. Clothes, furniture, shoes, appliances, cars.....


3 posted on 11/25/2004 5:37:05 AM PST by buffyt (~It is not a choice ~ It is a CHILD!~)
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To: truthandlife
I NEVER give to the U.W.

What is Target reasoning for not having bell ringers in front of their stores?

4 posted on 11/25/2004 5:39:47 AM PST by Popman (Democrat Party Political Values are Condescension, Hypocrisy, Bigotry)
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To: truthandlife

Find a local boy scout troop and send them some money, same thing with Target, find your local Sal. Army and send them money but when you are in Target complain to the management about the lack of a bell ringer at Christmas, (the squeaky wheel gets the oil).


5 posted on 11/25/2004 5:42:01 AM PST by mamalujo (looking for a new and improved tagline)
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To: truthandlife

bttt!


6 posted on 11/25/2004 5:44:11 AM PST by newsgatherer
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To: truthandlife

I never give to them either. They are nothing but middlemen taking a percent of the money donated. I give direct.


7 posted on 11/25/2004 5:49:07 AM PST by smokeyb
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To: truthandlife

Speaking of businesses and charities to boycot can anyone give me info on Starbucks? I heard something disturbing about them slighting the troops. Before I jump to conclusions I would like some confirmation on this.


8 posted on 11/25/2004 5:51:29 AM PST by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: truthandlife

I'd never give a dime to UW anyway, the boy scout issue is only the tip of the iceberg. As for Target, I think the charges are a little unfair. They give a lot of money to support charitable causes and I don't think they should be boycotted over the new policy. Target is suffering from the new age of litigation. If they allow the Salvation Army to solicit they may not be allowed to refuse other causes which might offend their customers. Target did not make this new policy specifically for the Salvation Army, but for all groups, political and charitable.


9 posted on 11/25/2004 5:52:29 AM PST by Casloy
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To: truthandlife; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; ...
FYI Ping!

Catholic Ping - please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


10 posted on 11/25/2004 5:58:05 AM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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To: little jeremiah

Ping!


11 posted on 11/25/2004 5:58:38 AM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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To: Casloy

But couldn't Target choose which groups it would accept on its premises, and which ones he would turn off ? It strikes me as real strange that if Target accepts the Salvation Army, it should be deprived of its right to turn down, for example, the Red Crescent or some bizarre cult professing to do charity.


12 posted on 11/25/2004 5:58:46 AM PST by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: Atlantic Friend

Perhaps, and I certainly don't know the answer to that, but it strikes me that with all the litigation we are suffering from today a group could claim that Target has no right to pick and choose who can or cannot solicit in front of their stores.


13 posted on 11/25/2004 6:02:43 AM PST by Casloy
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To: Casloy
Perhaps, and I certainly don't know the answer to that, but it strikes me that with all the litigation we are suffering from today a group could claim that Target has no right to pick and choose who can or cannot solicit in front of their stores.

Lowe's is allowing the SA bell ringers. So are a bunch of other national chains. Sears too, I think. Michael's Craft Stores are allowing them.

14 posted on 11/25/2004 6:06:52 AM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: truthandlife

perhaps a reason why they're doing this:

the dayton family owns target.

mark dayton was elected to the u.s. senate in 2000.

he's one of the most liberal members of the u.s. senate.


15 posted on 11/25/2004 6:12:56 AM PST by ken21 (against the democrat plantation.)
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To: Atlantic Friend

There is actually a law severely restricting any business's right to determine who solicits and who doesn't on its premises. As a result, unions can organize without permission and under federal protection if Target or Wal-Mart allow any solicitations on their grounds. Blame the federal government's meddling here, not Target.


16 posted on 11/25/2004 6:13:10 AM PST by MoralSense
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To: MoralSense

It really makes no sense. This "equalitarianism" is totally out of hand. It's amazing your federal judges don't get chased down more often by angry multitudes !


17 posted on 11/25/2004 6:20:32 AM PST by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: truthandlife

The company where I worked put a lot of pressure on the employees to sign up for a payroll deduction so the company could get a lousy certficate from UW. I signed up for a deduction of 50 cents per month. Im sure the administarative fees cost them at least that.


18 posted on 11/25/2004 6:24:06 AM PST by Vinnie_Vidi_Vici
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To: truthandlife

I used to be a 'fair-share' giver. When the queers took over the San Francisco United Way and began persecuting the Boy Scouts there, I quit. That was about 15 years ago.


19 posted on 11/25/2004 6:25:26 AM PST by blam
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To: truthandlife
I've posted this story before. But I got a lot of mail about it, and think it bears repeating.

It was 1962. I was in the 5th grade in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Mr. Shaw's class.

A naval officer came into our room, and told us that there were buses waiting for us outside. We were to get on the buses and get off directly in front of our houses. If we went ANYWHERE besides home, we would be left behind in the ensuing war with Castro.

We always kept an evacuation bag packed just for such an emergency. But my 9 year old brother and I had long outgrown anything with long sleeves or long pants. We left home within minutes and were whisked to an awaiting ship to evacuate from our home.

We left our dog tied outside in the hot Cuban sun, hoping some sailor or marine would come by and take care of her. She was a wonderful Schipperke.

I could see my dad's office from the ship. He was waving goodbye. Probably forever. At least, I thought that was Dad. Could have been some other Chief. There was a shipload of coffins being unloaded next to us. I guess they didn't use body bags in '62.

The ship my mom and us boys were on was heavy-laden with old ammunition. They had loaded the ship up to dump the ammo at sea. There was no time to unload it.

There were enough bunks to give us dependents (civilians) a few hours each day in bed. The sailors all slept on deck. The galley was feeding people 24 hours a day. I think the sailors got one meal a day. Those men were incredible.

A Russian submarine tracked us the entire way to Norfolk, VA.

It took forever to get to Virginia, because our ship was so overloaded. It was late October when we got there, and it was unbelievably cold. Especially to kids who'd spent years in Cuba, and were dressed in shorts and T-shirts.

The Navy put us up in some barracks in Norfolk. The Salvation Army came by and told us about some huge warehouses they had stocked with clothes, household items, toys, and anything else. They told us to take everything we thought we could possibly use. Not what we needed, but what we could use.

We had to set up housekeeping on virtually no money. The Navy wasn't able to get salaries to the dependents that were scattered across the US. Looking back, I don't know how my Mom made ends meet. We had no transportation, but somehow survived in the sticks of NC. I know the folks at our (previous) home chuch helped out a lot. That was Mt. Carmel Baptist in Chapel Hill. My dad had been stationed years before at UNC-Chapel Hill in the NROTC program.

Now I have 2 boys of my own, a thirteen year old and a nine year old. I make them suffer through this story whenever we see a Salvation Army volunteer asking for funds. We put money in the pot, and I make sure the volunteer hears what I'm telling. Those bell ringers were Jesus when my family really needed Him.

gitmo

20 posted on 11/25/2004 6:25:57 AM PST by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: Atlantic Friend

Target is attempting to use this as a cover as the Boy Scouts aren't as PC as the Dayton family would like. Wal Mart and a myriad of other retailers allow the SA in front of their stores and don't allow other groups. Setting aside whether or not you like their stores, I've always found Wal Mart to be very good at supporting causes which benefit the family and culture in general.

No more Target for me and I've known the UW had an agenda for years.


21 posted on 11/25/2004 6:34:02 AM PST by bereanway
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To: buffyt

Advise your husband to look at the list of organizations that United Way supports. He might be shocked.

When I worked, I gave to the United Way via payroll deduction until I got this list, and even though there is a provision to designate certain organizations that you, the donor, wish to have your money go to, it was a mixed picture. Some got those funds, some didn't.

You would be better offf doing what you're doing: giving directly to worthy causes.


22 posted on 11/25/2004 6:36:18 AM PST by OldPossum
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To: truthandlife; All

I NEVER donate to the United Way. When they sent out the emails at work , I politely requested that they take my name off the distribution list for all future solicitations, which they did until another person took over those duties and I had to make the request again. They even set up group meetings to discuss United Way donations with prepared paperwork for each employee. One year, the idiots put everyone's SSN on the paperwork which was left laying in plain view in each employee's cubicle. That little stunt caused a huge furor as several of us threatened lawsuits. HR got that cleaned up pretty quick. It was unreal the amount of work time was spent each year on strong arming employees to donate to United Way.

I sent Target a letter stating why I would not be spending any of my holiday shopping money in their store. I also sent their competitiors, Walmart in particular, a letter telling them why I would be shopping in their stores instead of Target.


23 posted on 11/25/2004 6:37:44 AM PST by ShakeNJake
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To: buffyt

Your husband should stop the deductions and inform his company not to solicit him in the future while at work. It can be done firmly, but politely. They finally learned at my company after a couple of years to just leave me alone during the United Way donation drives.


24 posted on 11/25/2004 6:39:21 AM PST by ShakeNJake
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To: TexasCajun

I never ever give to United Way...but I do give a lot to the groups I choose...if I give it through United Way, even with designated giving, it frees up funds for things I wouldn't dream of supporting. And UW supports lots of things I wouldn't dream of funding.


25 posted on 11/25/2004 6:39:37 AM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: truthandlife

We don't give to United Way and will not be shopping at Target.


26 posted on 11/25/2004 6:41:11 AM PST by netmilsmom (Zell on DEM Christianity, "They can hum the tune, but can't sing the song.")
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To: gitmo

What a story. Like almost all such stories the SA shows well. I note, en passant, that the Red Cross played no part in your story and rarely (if ever) have I heard good of them from veterans. To honor your father's service and your families sacrifices, I will seek out a bell ringer this year.


27 posted on 11/25/2004 6:42:18 AM PST by narses (Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: netmilsmom
Back in the seventies I was subjected to EXTREME pressure to contribute to the United Way.
They (management) wanted 100% of their employees involved. They got a special plaque if they did.
When I read the list of organizations that they supported, I refused absolutely to contribute.
28 posted on 11/25/2004 6:48:43 AM PST by trickyricky
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To: narses

Thanks. Same here.


29 posted on 11/25/2004 6:52:43 AM PST by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: gitmo

Good story, Gitmo, I've read it before but I always enjoy reading it over and over again.


30 posted on 11/25/2004 7:04:08 AM PST by Nowhere Man (We have enough youth, how about a Fountain of Smart?)
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To: gitmo
Thanks. I think it was January 1982 when the Salvation Army was there handing out sandwiches when we helped a small town (Soquel, CA) recover from a flood. I asked how many sandwiches I could have from the box he was carrying, and he said as many as I wanted.

Since pushing wheelbarrows full of mud was hard work, I grabbed four or five sandwiches and looked back at the Salvation Army volunteer. He just smiled and moved on. The sandwiches were gone before he was out of site, but the memory of that Salvation Army volunteer walking from person to person will stay with me forever.

We, too, will seek out some bell ringers and donate again. And we're boycotting Target.

31 posted on 11/25/2004 7:05:55 AM PST by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: truthandlife
As a GOVERNMENT worker I was always concerned about giving to CFC. We can pick who our money goes to but I always wondered. I few years ago I noticed that you can pick a box on the form. One to allow the charitable agency to have your address or ask them to contact you. Forget how it actually reads. But its nice to have the charity send you a letter thanking you for your contribution. I'm just satisfied that my money didn't go elsewhere.
32 posted on 11/25/2004 7:12:06 AM PST by gbaker
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To: truthandlife

I stopped giving to United Way when I learned that they supported the alcu and planned parenthood. Close to 20 years ago.


33 posted on 11/25/2004 7:17:06 AM PST by sport
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To: gbaker
As a GOVERNMENT worker I was always concerned about giving to CFC. We can pick who our money goes to but I always wondered. I few years ago I noticed that you can pick a box on the form. One to allow the charitable agency to have your address or ask them to contact you. Forget how it actually reads. But its nice to have the charity send you a letter thanking you for your contribution. I'm just satisfied that my money didn't go elsewhere.

I don't know how CFC works, but if it works like UW, your money does go elsewhere even if you designate a charity. They rake off a little bit from all contributions to put in a kitty to make up unfulfilled pledges, etc. So you could be supporting things you don't agree with.

34 posted on 11/25/2004 7:21:09 AM PST by pttttt
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To: gitmo

I heard a similar story at my son's graduation dinner. It was told by 80 something yo Col. Eugene Watts (Ret. AF). He spoke of being a young boy of about 17 and leaving to join the military. He was alone in NY. He had no money, no place to stay, no family and how the Salvation Army helped him in a like manner. They fed him, clothes him, gave him shelter and provided him with bus fare to NC. He spoke of them with endearment; as if they were family. He went on to serve this country in the Air Force for many many years until he retired in the 60's and he said that he gives to them faithfully so that others may be helped.


35 posted on 11/25/2004 7:21:32 AM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: truthandlife
Question: What is the United Way?

Answer: Take a $20 bill and exchange it for 4 $5 bills. Take one of the $5 bills and stick it in the nearest garbage can (United Way coffers). Take the remaining 3 $5 bills and give them to a charity chosen at random.
That is the United Way!

Do the smart thing: give directly to the charities of your choice. Send them a letter explaining why you're giving directly. Then send the United Way a letter with the same explanation.

IMHO, The United Way just doesn't make common sense or business sense.

Happy Thanksgiving fellow FReepers.

Always give directly to the charity of your choice.


36 posted on 11/25/2004 7:22:53 AM PST by upchuck (My "just in time" supply chain for taglines is busted. Come back tomorrow.)
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To: truthandlife

We sent Salvation Army a donation, and refuse to set foot in Target. We haven't donated to UW since they banned the Scouting groups. I'm really disgusted with Target this year. I hope they go broke.


37 posted on 11/25/2004 7:37:14 AM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: MoralSense

There is actually a law severely restricting any business's right to determine who solicits and who doesn't on its premises. As a result, unions can organize without permission and under federal protection if Target or Wal-Mart allow any solicitations on their grounds. Blame the federal government's meddling here, not Target.



I was going to offer a similar opinion. I took the opportunity yesterday to thank the manager of the Publix I
shop at, for allowing the SA to put their kettle out.
He told me while they truly supported the organization, sadly, the chain will have numerous threats of lawsuits from every group under the sun, to have the same right.
Another reason for tort reform. I can't say I blame Target.
It's probably more constructive to save the litigation cost and just contribute to the organization.





38 posted on 11/25/2004 7:42:58 AM PST by Bogey
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To: ken21

Lets clear this up finally about Target and their ownership.

Target is a publicly traded company on the NYSE. Trade Symbol is TGT. Yes, the Dayton family originally started Target. The current CEO of Target is Bob Ulrich. The Dayton family has no members on the Board of Directors. I own a couple hundred shares of Target through my 401k that I still have when worked there.

When I worked at Target a number of years ago, there were times when the Girl Scouts were selling their cookies on Target property. I had to tell them that they could not sell the Girl Scout Cookies on Target property. Target has had a no soliciting policy for years. The unions are one big reason for the no soliciting policy.

One quick thing about the United Way, The Salvation Army also receives money from The United Way. You can ask in your United Way contribution to have your money go to a specific organization that receives United Way money, such as The Salvation Army, etc.


39 posted on 11/25/2004 7:44:31 AM PST by Eric Roelfsema (Congrats to the NBA Champion Detroit Pistons)
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To: PleaseNoMore; scripter; Nowhere Man
Thanks for your stories. I hear these all the times. My uncle was in Vietnam when his father (my grandfather) was in the hospital struggling for his life after an accident . He said the Red Cross was no help, but the Salvation Army arranged to help him get back to The States. His father needed blood, but couldn't get it. Even though both of his sons were lifetime donors they couldn't get anything from the RC. SA again stepped in and paved the way for blood.

gitmo

40 posted on 11/25/2004 7:49:37 AM PST by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: pttttt

You're probably right. Since I give only to local organizations and mainly the boy scouts my next step is to see how much money they actually receive.

I know I could give directly to them, but I also know I tend to forget to do so.


41 posted on 11/25/2004 7:50:58 AM PST by gbaker
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To: truthandlife

UW sucks...lots of money away from good causes.

They use over 50% of donations on overhead to pay "staff members." Most of what's left goes to really lame organizations, and yes, they don't like the scouts because they won't let gay men in the tents with the kiddies.

Good call by CFI


42 posted on 11/25/2004 8:01:16 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Casloy

" Target is suffering from the new age of litigation. If they allow the Salvation Army to solicit they may not be allowed to refuse other causes which might offend their customers."

And some give up not firing a shot...


43 posted on 11/25/2004 8:02:39 AM PST by ptrey (It's July the 4th everyday.)
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To: truthandlife

I HAD to donate to UW at work, even though I was also giving 10% to my favorite charities. I did it under protest, and I told my supervisor as much.

I also do not shop Target, and WILL NOT shop Target...They refused to allow the Toys For Tots program by the Marines about 10 years ago, and that was when I said they had all the money they were going to get from me.

Target and UW are inferior in my book, and I think Wal-Mart should be run out of town. And don't ask me to elaborate on THAT! ;-)


44 posted on 11/25/2004 8:03:16 AM PST by Monkey Face (All generalizations are dangerous. :-])
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To: truthandlife

Shop where you see the Salvation Army bell ringers.


45 posted on 11/25/2004 8:03:40 AM PST by Petronski (New York London Paris Munich Ev'rybody Talk About Mmm Pop Music)
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To: Petronski

In our local supermarket, there are Salvation Army donation coupons at the checkouts, rather than bell ringers outside. I'm not sure what the reasoning is, but they are still visible, so it's a good thing.


46 posted on 11/25/2004 8:06:44 AM PST by Monkey Face (All generalizations are dangerous. :-])
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To: Monkey Face

My husband faced the UW situation for the first time last week.

We found out that the Atlanta chapter DOES support the Boy Scouts, and doesn't support any abortion groups. We gave a small directed donation to several Boy Scouts groups (DH is an Eagle Scout) and a crisis pregnancy center.

Just another way that Georgia beats California.


47 posted on 11/25/2004 8:11:44 AM PST by Politicalmom ( Since Bush was selected in 2000, shouldn't he be able to run again in 2008?)
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To: Eric Roelfsema

thanks.

so, you're saying the dayton family are conservatives?


48 posted on 11/25/2004 8:15:30 AM PST by ken21 (against the democrat plantation.)
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To: Politicalmom

Good for Georgia!

I think we can ALL beat California. With one hand tied behind our backs!


49 posted on 11/25/2004 8:15:57 AM PST by Monkey Face (All generalizations are dangerous. :-])
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To: gitmo

Outstanding Story!


50 posted on 11/25/2004 8:28:04 AM PST by RaceBannon (Arab Media pulled out of Fallujah; Could we get the MSM to pull out of America??)
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