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The pajamahadeens are digging their own graves (FR Featured)
Toronto Star ^ | Nov. 25, 2004. 01:00 AM | ANTONIA ZERBISIAS

Posted on 11/25/2004 7:52:43 AM PST by HighWheeler

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To: HighWheeler

We should all send Antonia an email to express our interest in her article and our response in this thread.

Antonia's email address is listed as:

mailto: azerbis@thestar.ca


61 posted on 11/25/2004 8:19:59 AM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: HighWheeler

Hurling before I even eat Thanksgivng dinner.


62 posted on 11/25/2004 8:20:15 AM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: HighWheeler
When he steps down as front man for The CBS Evening News on March 9,

Does anybody else think it's not a coincidence that Martha Stewart is scheduled to be released just a few days before this?

Perhaps SHE's gonna take Danny Boy's place?

What's the frequency, Martha???

</tinfoil>

63 posted on 11/25/2004 8:20:21 AM PST by Willie Green
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To: HighWheeler
Bloggers don't have checks and balances because bloggers are checks and balances. Bloggers are now doing what the American Founders expected the press to do since the press had abdicated its responsibilities.

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

64 posted on 11/25/2004 8:20:57 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know what this was)
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Antonia Zerbisias,

Three points:

1. You called FR a "Blog," which it is not, which shows your nervousness in our existence.

2. You say that we will not matter if you don't matter, which shows you haven't faith in the people; which is who WE ARE. Yet fail to realize that media bias is YOUR (MSM's)fault. Don't blame us for you people not doing your jobs.

3. The more your bias continues, the more driven we are to expose it. The more you complain about it's exposure, the more drive we have to do it again and again.
And the more attention you bring to this bias, the more people you'll drive away from your ring, and into our fold.

Keep it up. You must lurk, and I hope you read these posts.


65 posted on 11/25/2004 8:21:43 AM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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To: VRWCTexan
From interview with ANTONIA ZERBISIAS:

Who are your favorite newspaper columnists (U.S? Canada?). What about specifically media-criticism writers?

"I admire many mainstream columnists, including Molly Ivins (a heroine and model), Helen Thomas, Paul Krugman, Robert Scheer, Richard Cohen, Maureen Dowd, Katha Pollit, David Corn, Lewis Lapham, etc."

66 posted on 11/25/2004 8:21:53 AM PST by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: HighWheeler

"It's true that journalism's checks and balances have been known to fail. When they do, news organizations crash and burn in spectacular fashion."

Yes, they fail but they don't crash and burn. They keep right on spewing the same crap and they wonder why we question their accuracy. They still don't get it...
All Hail the mighty FR Pajamahadeen!


67 posted on 11/25/2004 8:22:53 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Happy Thanksgiving to all our Coalition Fighting Forces world-wide- God Bless them all!)
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To: HighWheeler

The author fails to grasp what takes place on the internet.
By quoting one offhand remark by a Freeper-(s)he thinks she's pigeon-holed the "blogsphere". NOTHING could be farther from the facts. (Surprise, surprise!)

One of the vital tasks we perform is checking sources and sifting through information as it's presented to us via newspapers, wire services, tv etc. We also have a huge coffee shop atmosphere- we exchange views, observations and ideas about "the news".

It might surprise Antonia to learn how much BETTER INFORMED we've become by having access to information we would never have seen before the internet and cable tv. Moreover- while I enjoy editorials that agree with my thinking- I make it a point to SEEK pieces that I don't agree with. It sharpens my mind, keeps me from getting one-dimensional and helps me understand why I believe as I do on a variety of topics.

I, for one, hope the print media never dies. Far from wanting it to die, I expect over time, it will be more accurate and un-biased. That will be good for us- and vital for journalism.


68 posted on 11/25/2004 8:23:05 AM PST by SE Mom (God Bless our troops.)
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To: HighWheeler
"This has been a simply outstanding month," crowed a poster on http://www.freerepublic.com. "Bush won, Arafat died, we're kicking ass in Fallujah, and now this!"

What. No mention of the Scott Peterson verdict? Who was this FReeper? Off with his head!

69 posted on 11/25/2004 8:23:31 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all)
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To: HighWheeler
It's true that journalism's checks and balances have been known to fail. When they do, news organizations crash and burn in spectacular fashion. But, much like the thousands of airplanes that land safely every day and don't make the news, major disasters are few and far between.

Perhaps, but the bias of the liberal media is there every hour of every day. Twenty-four and Seven as they say.

70 posted on 11/25/2004 8:24:04 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: HighWheeler; All
Ironically, bloggers mostly feed off the work of professional journalists who do the legwork. But, like parasites too stupid to realize they are killing off their hosts, the pajamahadeen don't get it every time they dig more dirt for our mass grave.

Oh shut up already.

What a queer article. This babbling prick fails to realize that if the msm would simply report the FACTS without editorializing or pimping their own agenda, then bloggers would be less compelled to clean up their garbage. The writer actually attempts to make a weak-ass comparison between the pajahadeens and trigger happy celebrants in the Middle East. A better comparison would be the msm and baghdad bob. We aren't buying your brand anymore. The writing is on the wall and idiots like this are in panic mode. I know you are reading this. Suffer bitch.

71 posted on 11/25/2004 8:24:22 AM PST by new cruelty
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To: HighWheeler
Ironically, bloggers mostly feed off the work of professional journalists who do the legwork.

Just like newspaper columnists, such as Antonia Zerbisias.

72 posted on 11/25/2004 8:24:33 AM PST by Dont Mention the War (W2: Coming January 20, 2005! Be There!)
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To: HighWheeler
"Pajamadeen"

I feel alienated and ignored by the media because I FReep in my underwear.

73 posted on 11/25/2004 8:24:42 AM PST by Rebelbase (Indiscriminate reprisals strengthen the terrorists. Targeted ones weaken them. Aim is everything.)
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To: HighWheeler

She's right about one thing: her paper is hurting financially...

Torstar surprises Street with weak quarter
By RICHARD BLOOM
Thursday, October 28, 2004, Page B1

Torstar Corp. surprised the Street with weaker-than-expected third-quarter profit after the close last night, blaming weak sales at its Harlequin division and charges stemming from severance packages at its flagship Toronto Star newspaper.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/v4/sub/MarketingPage?user_URL=http://www.theglobeandmail.com%2Fservlet%2FArticleNews%2FTPStory%2FLAC%2F20041028%2FRTORSTAR28%2FTPBusiness%2FTopStories&ord=1101399754142&brand=theglobeandmail&force_login=true


74 posted on 11/25/2004 8:24:49 AM PST by balk (Martin's goin' down (just you wait!))
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To: HighWheeler
The MSM can't stand it that people now have other sources for UNBIASED news. It's killing them, literally and figuratively.
75 posted on 11/25/2004 8:27:40 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: longtermmemmory
exactly, this reporter is a fool. Sites like FR are discussing the merits of what these Mediots are writing.

I wish (I dream) that someday, journalists will be licensed like Heinlein's Fair Witnesses...remember that? They had to tell the truth, and nothing but...Well, these "journalists" ought to be rigorously taught to stick to actual facts, with no slanted adjectives, perjorative nouns, injection of their prejudices, and weight of their editor's politics...That's what "journalist" OUGHT to mean.

I'm sure that certain politicians would like to regulate bloggers. That's just NOT going to happen.

76 posted on 11/25/2004 8:28:57 AM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: All

That's right, the Toronto Star is also part of the same company that owns those Harlequin romance novels.


77 posted on 11/25/2004 8:29:04 AM PST by balk (Martin's goin' down (just you wait!))
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To: HighWheeler
"By checks and balances, Klein meant the rigours of professional journalism — and not the opinionating of the blogosphere."

ROFLOL, ooh this is the top of the charts for hypocrisy. Leave it to the professionals is the message here. Professional liars, spinners, propagandists, American hateing, elitists that despise those dumb red states are not quite dumb enough to believe their monumental bias.

Oh what will we do if we kill the golden goose of liars, and pundents? How can we survive without them? Very easily and happily.
78 posted on 11/25/2004 8:30:41 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: quantim
But, like parasites too stupid to realize they are killing off their hosts, the pajamahadeen don't get it every time they dig more dirt for our mass grave

That's almost right. We're not the ones doing the digging. We're just going to hold the shovel while they get in.

79 posted on 11/25/2004 8:30:44 AM PST by Coastie ("Ya gotta go out! But you don't have to come back!" - Old CG motto)
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To: HighWheeler
HA! HA! LOL! ...MSM are throwing a real fit. ..on google, pajamahadeen had 10,300 references/hits. :))
80 posted on 11/25/2004 8:33:04 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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