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"Surprise Hit Embarrasses Out-of-Touch Movie Elite" (Medved praises "National Treasure")
jwr ^ | Nov 24 04 | Michael Medved

Posted on 11/25/2004 11:01:22 PM PST by churchillbuff

National Treasure," a surprise box office hit from Hollywood, demonstrates once again the embarrassing gap between cultural elite and the general public.

This splendid adventure movie starring Nicholas Cage drew overwhelmingly negative reviews, and leading critics even predicted its commercial failure. Ordinary moviegoers, however, have expressed gratitude for the film — a clever romp with a patriotic heart and a family friendly "PG-rating," spinning an enjoyable yarn about a treasure map left by the founding fathers on the back of the Declaration of Independence. ...

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1 posted on 11/25/2004 11:01:22 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

Did you end up seeing it?


2 posted on 11/25/2004 11:05:34 PM PST by beaversmom (The greatness of a man is measured by the fatness of his wife)
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To: beaversmom

Saw it tonight. My wife and I enjoyed it. I could see a Disneyland ride spinning off from some of those tunnel scenes - like the Raiders of Ark ride, or whatever it's called, that they've already got at Disneyland.


3 posted on 11/25/2004 11:07:27 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
I took my 6 year-old with some trepidation. But I must say we had the best time. He was riveted by the clue-chasing that went on and the references to our nation's history and currency.

There was no language that would even come close to making a parent cringe and what violence they portrayed was light and no shooting or blood that I can recall.

The fact that the critics got it wrong before the film was released was a bonus.
4 posted on 11/25/2004 11:08:59 PM PST by ChicagoRighty (Surrounded by libbies and damn tired of it!)
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To: churchillbuff

I dont recall any objectionable language - it was an adventure - fun - interesting - something the whole family could see


5 posted on 11/25/2004 11:12:59 PM PST by Revelation 911
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To: churchillbuff
Definitely a fun movie - I was very leery of the movie, mostly because I am not a big Nic Cage fan, but the movie was a blast. All of the conspiracy theory goodness you might want, lots of fascinating history, and a lovely document restoration expert to keep things well-balanced.

Hollywood needs to do more films like this; defintely some "out of the box" thinking going on here. I would put this and Sky Captain as the two films this year that were surprise hits for me.

6 posted on 11/25/2004 11:16:00 PM PST by AzSteven
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To: churchillbuff

The Declaration of Independence is shown?

This will be banned in CA, I tell you, banned!


7 posted on 11/25/2004 11:16:27 PM PST by Carling (What happened to Sandy Burglar's Docs?)
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To: ChicagoRighty

I took our two teenagers and they met up with several of their friends on Wednesday to see it. I thoroughly enjoyed it! It just goes to show that movies CAN be made that are both enjoyed by whole families and can make money as well!


8 posted on 11/25/2004 11:18:29 PM PST by SuziQ (W STILL the President)
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To: Revelation 911

They highlighted a nice quote from the Declaration of Independence.


9 posted on 11/25/2004 11:18:54 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: AzSteven
My next-door neighbor came over today to watch the Colts-Lions game because his wife and daughter were watching parades on TV.

He saw the film yesterday and loved it. I said the ads showed a movie that was outside the box. He said that is why he loved it.

To cut the story short, he and his wife are watching our 15 month-old tomorrow while the wife and I go watch National Treasure.
10 posted on 11/25/2004 11:18:56 PM PST by Carling (What happened to Sandy Burglar's Docs?)
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To: ChicagoRighty; Revelation 911

You have both hit on the probable reason the film got bad reviews. Anything Hollywood produces that does not savage the viewer with profane, obscene or scatalogical references is not "art" and thus not eligible for the Robert Maplethorpe Memorial Award.


11 posted on 11/25/2004 11:19:09 PM PST by shibumi (John Galt is alive and well. He tends bar in a casino restaurant.)
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To: SuziQ

Whole family absolutely loved it. Parents were so thrilled they couldn't stop saying how fantastic it was. Highly highly recommended for the family.


12 posted on 11/25/2004 11:19:20 PM PST by Mount Athos
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To: churchillbuff

The Liberal left and the Homosexuals must be thrown out of Hollywood. Nobody wants their TRASH PHILOSOPHY OR FILTHY Lifestyle. Get back into the Trash heap where you belong !!


13 posted on 11/25/2004 11:32:41 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: churchillbuff

I almost fell asleep. What an awful movie.


14 posted on 11/25/2004 11:32:56 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Liberalism: The irrational fear of self reliance.)
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To: Carling

"This will be banned in CA, I tell you, banned!"

LOL, looks like I might have to wrangle hubby to the movies yet again. Got him to go see Team America (F*** yeah!) (SORRY!) based on the premise that all Hollywood really understands is the box office. So maybe they need our $16.00 for National Treasure. Well, they might have to make do with $10.00, if we go see the FIRST showing at the mall near us.


15 posted on 11/25/2004 11:39:56 PM PST by jocon307 (Jihad is world wide. Jihad is serious business. We ignore global jihad at our peril.)
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To: shibumi
Any movie that's to the left of Mel Gibson is wowed over in Hollywood. Another movie to watch during the holidays is I Am David. A good story about a child survivor from Bulgarian Communism in the 1950s. Last night I saw the Warner Bros. network An American Girl Holiday period piece. I hugely enjoyed it - it paints a picture of Victorian America as a country of good and decent people. Even an upper class family is portrayed as noble for a change. When Hollywood begins making more patriotic and family-friendly movies, people will begin to watch more and part of this rejection of the cultural critics is that its a general disgust with the obscenity and sleaze (the critics have helped to glamorize and sanitize) in the culture. People want to feel good about themselves and their country.
16 posted on 11/25/2004 11:50:03 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: churchillbuff
I just came from seeing this movie. It's cute. It's entertaining. It's a couple hours of trying to guess, "The Liberty Bell! No, wait... Paul Revere's ride!! No, wait... Monticello!"

It's a little Indiana Jones and a little Tombraider. It's not enlightening, and it drags from time to time, but over all, there aren't too many moments when you go, "Oh, geez, not this s*** again," and not any moments you'd have to cover the kids' eyes and make a mental "talk later" note. It's a good flick. You won't be up late pondering it in depth, but you also won't be lying awake, simmering, thinking "Why do I give those f*****s my money?!"

17 posted on 11/26/2004 1:15:41 AM PST by wizardoz (Arafat's funeral was the Wellstone memorial, with guns.)
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To: churchillbuff

Speaking of movies, there are a number that should be sent into the toilet this fall season. Of course "Alexander" is already failing after its first day of release. A couple of other films should tank also, "Meet The Fockers" with Robert DeNiro (DeNiro has certainly gone down hill, hasn't he) and Barbra Steisand and Ocean's Twelve with that lightweight George Clooney and his pack of Democrat butt lickers. Actually, Hollywood is not having a very good year. Maybe they will get the message.


18 posted on 11/26/2004 1:47:27 AM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: AzSteven

Well, someone "green lighted " it. I guess they deserve a bonus. :-)


19 posted on 11/26/2004 1:49:43 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: wizardoz

I'm amazed that anybody makes adventure films with no graphic violenc, vulgar language or adult sexual situations. Those are so much part-and-parcel of the genre, it is hard for me to imagine a movie without them. I think this is a fabulous development, and I hope it is the start of a trend.

That PG rating opens up a whole new market.


20 posted on 11/26/2004 2:16:14 AM PST by gridlock (Obscure FReeper reference. If it makes no sense to you, don't worry about it...)
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To: churchillbuff

My 15 yr old saw it last night, she came in and said, "Dad we have to see that movie together."


21 posted on 11/26/2004 2:19:39 AM PST by SeeRushToldU_So (We won !)
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To: shibumi
Interesting choice of screen name and tagline.

Nikki and John were both extreme individuals..

22 posted on 11/26/2004 3:18:51 AM PST by .45MAN ("God bless America and George W. Bush")
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To: churchillbuff

Which is..........

....What??


23 posted on 11/26/2004 3:26:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Carling
The Declaration of Independence is shown?

This will be banned in CA, I tell you, banned!


No - in California, the Hollywood elite will engage in an activity that they find loathesome (when they consider the possibility of parents doing it to DVDs on behalf of their children). They will edit out the offending parts that show the DoI, and insert bad voiceover calling it "generic historical document that in no way espouses a single religion".
24 posted on 11/26/2004 3:56:40 AM PST by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: churchillbuff

It never ceases to amaze me the Hollyweird hasn't caught on to the side-effects of the excesses of the previous generation. We are the first generation to grow up with an awareness of AIDS, ect. I have noticed that a lot of people my age (mid-to-late twenties) are having more kids, earlier than their parents, and are--in general--more conservative as well. We are getting married earlier as well, once again, generally speaking. Lots of people my age and younger are married with kids. (I married at 23, my younger brother married at 21--he's got two and will have one more, I will soon have five--just for example) I refuse to pollute my kids with crap...I saw too much growing up. The latchkey kids have grown up, and lots have rejected the so-called "values" many of us grew up with and were regularily portrayed in the movies and TV popular at the time. We're staying at home to raise our kids, getting married and staying married, and fewer and fewer are having sex or children before marriage. Hollyweird will catch on to this trend, or strangle to death on their own irrelevance.


25 posted on 11/26/2004 4:00:13 AM PST by exnavychick
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To: ChicagoRighty

Oh, come on now. There had to be nudity, some sex and lots of cussing for it to even get to the theater.


PG I didn't think those movies were made anymore.


26 posted on 11/26/2004 4:56:40 AM PST by B4Ranch ((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!))
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To: ChicagoRighty

Shooting yes, though I don't recall them actually making contact. Remember when they see Cage in the elevator with "the map" and start shooting? The case the map is happens to be bullet-proof...oops, spoiler, sorry.


27 posted on 11/26/2004 5:02:34 AM PST by tai-pan (mainstream WHAT?)
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To: ChicagoRighty
The fact that the critics got it wrong before the film was released was a bonus.

GREAT LINE!!

Hey, is it me or am I the only one who reads too slow to see just who these "favorable" critics are when a commercial for a particular movie comes on TV? I'm talking specifically about Alexander.

I consider myself a fast reader . . . the fastest in my speed-reading class a hundred years or so ago when I took it . . . but, man oh man, it flashed by so quickly I couldn't catch squat.

First off, let me be blunt. I will never, no-way-in-hell, ever see another Oliver Stone movie. But I saw a commercial of it yesterday and the commercial flashed what were some absolutely GREAT reviews. The announcer announced the reviews in an excited, passionate, breathless tone . . . but conveniently forgot to mention just who the folks were he was quoting. The letters in the praise were big and bold and easily read but the names of the reviewers nearly blended in with the background and flashed by so quickly I couldn't read who was praising it.

I'm mindful of the one movie studio . . . Sony, maybe? . . . who had some schlep reviewing movies under an assumed name to give their movies a jump at the box-office.

I've read some awful reviews and comments about Oliver "I'm proud to be a Traitor" Stone's latest history-reinvention piece on FR and I was curious to see who the reviewers were.

Has anyone else noticed it's awfully hard to see JUST WHO IT IS giving these great reviews to liberal movies?

28 posted on 11/26/2004 5:08:58 AM PST by geedee (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.)
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To: churchillbuff

Maybe Medved is making too much out of this. The same reviewers, after all, have given savagely negative treatment to "Alexander", a film which apparently highlights the main characters bisexuality and was made by Oliver Stone, a leftist darling.


29 posted on 11/26/2004 5:18:31 AM PST by jalisco555 ("The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity." W. B. Yeats)
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To: B4Ranch
Believe it or not,. the most we got out the "pretty librarian" character was a big smooch at one point, later in the film. Definitely hard to believe.

From a 6 year-old's perspective, (one with an intense imagination) I thought the movie was perfect.
30 posted on 11/26/2004 5:44:30 AM PST by ChicagoRighty (Surrounded by libbies and damn tired of it!)
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To: geedee
I took a speed reading course years ago too. I read War and Peace in ten minutes.

Its about Russia.

31 posted on 11/26/2004 5:51:59 AM PST by Lawgvr1955 (I think Kerry needs more cowbell.)
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To: ChicagoRighty

I think it is just great that your child and you enjoyed the movie.

When my wife and I 1st started going together, the 1st movie I took her to see was 'Old Yeller'. She knew I was a country boy in my heart after that. LOL


32 posted on 11/26/2004 6:01:22 AM PST by B4Ranch ((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!))
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To: churchillbuff
This is no surprise at all. It is well known that that "family" films (G, PG etc.) do far better at the box office than R rated films, yet Hollywood continues to pump out garbage like "Alexander". No doubt they just MUST have their artistic freedom; I have mine around 0800, but rather than foisting it on others I flip a lever and dispose of it properly.

I have nothing but empirical evidence but it sure does seem forced to me. A parallel example: At Hollywood video keep your eyes open to how many copies of a film hits the shelf and its rental patterns. “Ella Enchanted” received good reviews and was enjoyable family entertainment. I saw seven to ten total copies and had to wait two weeks to rent it. Close by filling an entire shelf section was “The Girl Next Door”. I have not seen it and I know enough about the story to keep it that way. The many copies went largly unrented. If frequency of rental is crucial to profit maximization then they are either ignorant of what the data may be telling them or there is intentional bias.

If someone out there has more info I’m all eyes. I know there are many possible factors I have omitted, but I have seen the same thing over and over. Fahrenheit 9/11 filled 1½ sections and languished on the shelf - in NY! (perhaps there is hope)

33 posted on 11/26/2004 6:23:43 AM PST by 70times7 (An open mind is a cesspool of thought)
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To: Straight Vermonter

hope your wrong...rto


34 posted on 11/26/2004 6:30:45 AM PST by visitor (...and the dems wonder why they lost and will continue to lose, good riddance)
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To: Elsie

I *believe* it was:
"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

I might be wrong, though. My backup quote would be: "That whenever any Form of
Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

IN any event, it was summarised by Gates (Cage's character) as something like: "When somethign is wrong, those who have the power to fix it hav ethe responsibility to fix it."


35 posted on 11/26/2004 7:44:49 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: All
There is no liberal agenda as to why I haven't wanted to see this. Nicolas Cage has really started to overact badly in most movies if the director doesn't really restrict him.

And that line from the ad "the dollar bill is trying to tell me something" seemed kinda dumb.

Glad the movie is ok. I think that some of the negative reviews might just be Nick Cage burnout though.

36 posted on 11/26/2004 7:49:46 AM PST by dogbyte12 (Proud New Daddy since 11-11-04)
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To: 70times7

For months I couldn't get away from seeing advertisments for “The Girl Next Door,” whether it was on websites, television, or on campus. Frankly, it looks like a piece of crap more suitable for the straight to video bin. I don't know why the hype. Plus the blonde that kept adorning those ads, well, didn't really do it for me.


37 posted on 11/26/2004 7:58:03 AM PST by Galactic Overlord-In-Chief (Congratulations to Senator-elect David Vitter, the first GOP senator from LA since Reconstruction!)
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To: geedee
But I saw a commercial of it yesterday and the commercial flashed what were some absolutely GREAT reviews. The announcer announced the reviews in an excited, passionate, breathless tone . . . but conveniently forgot to mention just who the folks were he was quoting. The letters in the praise were big and bold and easily read but the names of the reviewers nearly blended in with the background and flashed by so quickly I couldn't read who was praising it.

There are enough newspapers, tv stations, internet sites, magazines, etc, to fish out three or four favorable (some would say ridiculously so) quotes for any movie, even if it is a turkey.
38 posted on 11/26/2004 8:00:23 AM PST by Galactic Overlord-In-Chief (Congratulations to Senator-elect David Vitter, the first GOP senator from LA since Reconstruction!)
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To: churchillbuff
Saw it

LOVED IT!!!!
39 posted on 11/26/2004 8:04:26 AM PST by glaseatr (God Bless, My Nephew, SGT Adam Estep 2nd Bat, 5th Cav reg died Thursday April 29, 2004 Baghdad Iraq)
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To: glaseatr

Better watch out: "Loved it" are Rex Reed's two favorite words.


40 posted on 11/26/2004 8:08:45 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright
LOL, too true. I had forgotten,
41 posted on 11/26/2004 8:16:11 AM PST by glaseatr (God Bless, My Nephew, SGT Adam Estep 2nd Bat, 5th Cav reg died Thursday April 29, 2004 Baghdad Iraq)
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To: AzSteven

I read a review of it and the writer focused more on Cage's resume and talent than the film; I must have been the last person to learn that Nicolas Cage is actually named Coppola and is the nephew of Frank Coppola.


42 posted on 11/26/2004 8:25:58 AM PST by Old Professer (The accidental trumps the purposeful in every endeavor attended by the incompetent.)
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To: Galactic Overlord-In-Chief

Never even heard of it till I read this post (girl next door). Ran a google search. The only thing REMOTELY interesting is Sung Hi Lee in it. I think she's gorgeous.

So THIS movie was hyped big time, eh? Doesn't look like anything I'd see, but hey, what do I know? I was looking at one of the higher end 'men's mags' (GQ or Esquire, forget which) whilst waiting for my stepson's prescription to be filled, and it had a lot of 'top 50' lists (top songs, top albums, etc.). I conclude from this magazine that I, alas, shall NEVER be hip, cool, or any variation thereof.

I'm with you, looks like direct to video to me.


43 posted on 11/26/2004 8:34:56 AM PST by Mr. Thorne ("But iron, cold iron, shall be master of them all..." Kipling)
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To: churchillbuff
"demonstrates once again the embarrassing gap between cultural elite and the general public"

Sooner or later corporate guys are going to kick some "elite" butt. This movie's success and Alexander the "Fabulous" failure bring that day a little closer.

44 posted on 11/26/2004 8:44:18 AM PST by jpsb
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To: .45MAN

So am I, read the profile.


45 posted on 11/26/2004 8:44:45 AM PST by shibumi (John Galt is alive and well. He tends bar in a casino restaurant.)
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To: B4Ranch
Wow, you two have been together a while... "Old Yeller"... hat's off.
46 posted on 11/26/2004 11:39:27 AM PST by ChicagoRighty (Surrounded by libbies and damn tired of it!)
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To: orionblamblam

And this is EXACTLY why the Libs want to remove guns from the general population's hands!!


47 posted on 11/28/2004 4:22:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: beaversmom

Great Movie! totally fun!

and more evidence of how out of touch most movie critics are!


48 posted on 11/29/2004 4:39:44 AM PST by SolutionsOnly
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To: churchillbuff; beaversmom
My .03¢. I saw the movie last Friday with my 8 year old son. I really enjoyed the movie and my son loved it. He was literally on the edge of his seat for much of the movie. I cannot recall so much as one curse word; if there was, I missed it. No sex or sexual situations either. There were a couple of scenes where Cage and Kruger smooched, but nothing beyond that. And no gruesome death scenes.

I would recommend the movie and recommend you take your kids as well.

p.s. Buttered popcorn at my theatre rated: Poor!

49 posted on 11/29/2004 11:21:52 AM PST by bushisdamanin04
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