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Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory (Here Come the Chads)
North County News ^ | 11/30/04

Posted on 11/26/2004 5:02:03 AM PST by KidGlock

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To: rmgatto
Yorktown Heights, that urbane center of the latest news and analysis

Yorktown Heights was always known as an IBM town. Looks like IBM now stands for I've Been Miscounted.

41 posted on 11/26/2004 5:44:42 AM PST by hflynn
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To: Timedrifter

Not to mention to spend that 15 million dollar "surplus."

Remember, Kerry said that he hand bto the DNC only what was "left over."

17,000(hohoho) bottom feeders would chew through that just with their retainers.

Sorry, DNC, no money for you. Live with it. :)


42 posted on 11/26/2004 5:45:38 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: KidGlock
Aha! Thanks.

I must say, I am a Bush guy ALL THE WAY, but I said here on FR many times before the election that it may be necessary and may be time for good people to do some bad things in order for G.W. to get past the ruthlessly biased media and beat Kerry in this election.

There are some apparently good arguments made in this long article on the side of Effin. I don't put it past the good guys to have worked the computers for G.W. My wife has been a computer programmer for nearly two decades, and she said it is quite easy to rig things to get the result you may wish.

I don't care if we cheated or not, I feel if we did, we had to. There were too many evil lies being told about George Bush by the media. It had to be overcome. Something sly may have had to be done to win.

Again, if the article is read completely, and if these witnesses are telling the truth, there may be something there. Fortunately, the Dems. are just going to look ridiculous again if they keep this challenge up! LOL!!!!

Kerry was not going to be President, the country would have died. Too much at stake this time around!

43 posted on 11/26/2004 5:47:15 AM PST by beyond the sea (ab9usa4uandme)
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To: Jeff Head

Excellent point! Doing away with the electoral college would indeed make us a 'democracy,' and put the country at the mercy of whatever votes can be bought or coerced in the cities.

It would be nice if folks in fly-over country would remind everyone as often as possible that our Constitution provides us with a 'Constitutionally Limited Republic.'

And that is the only thing standing between us and socialistic chaos.

Thanks for reminding us all of this fact. :-)

Pinz


44 posted on 11/26/2004 5:48:22 AM PST by pinz-n-needlez
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To: KidGlock

....and when the recount shows that Bush won, then what? For the next 4 years we'll be listening to these psychos explaining why it's impossible Bush won because Indian fortune tellers have never been wrong, or they undercounted cell phone users or they saw many more Kerry bumperstickers or Kerry is a good closer so he couldn't have lost or those damned Diebold machines were hacked or, or, or.............?


45 posted on 11/26/2004 5:48:39 AM PST by Larry381 (Wanted: Country willing to import thousands of whining liberals-no returns accepted)
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To: KidGlock

Sorry, but that "ain't" happening.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1287460/posts


46 posted on 11/26/2004 5:49:25 AM PST by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: jakkknife

Explained in post # 10.


47 posted on 11/26/2004 5:49:39 AM PST by beyond the sea (ab9usa4uandme)
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To: KidGlock

This must be part of PEST.

In addition to extreme anguish, apparently those suffering from Post Election Stress Syndrome suffer from delusions that the triggering event was false and that somehow their hopes will prevail despite strong evidence to the contrary.

Hmm... now that I think about it, it's quite ironic that these people have a tendency to criticize Christians for our "faith", when they themselves seem to hold faith in things that are far more farfetched...


48 posted on 11/26/2004 5:49:42 AM PST by MWS
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To: KidGlock
"I think that a recount in Ohio, if done properly, will show a narrow Kerry victory and he should be inaugurated hopefully by January 20, 2005," the Washington D.C.-based, clinical professor in the Department of Psychiatry at George Washington University Medical Center said.

"The disruption and cries of foul will be huge," the psychiatrist and psychoanalyst said. "But I think Bush lost. Kerry people are finally joining in, though I think they have been active all along, just quietly.

This "doctor" obviously got his degree at the Timothy Leary school of LSD.

Isn't it amazing how no matter how many permutations you can use to get the same results (Bush kicked butt), if the Dims can find one that almost gives it to Kerry, they will shamelessly try to act as if they won. Such bold resistance to the truth can only be a result of Satan's foul lies being accepted.

49 posted on 11/26/2004 5:49:59 AM PST by trebb (Ain't God good . . .)
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To: rmgatto
Yorktown Heights, that urbane center of the latest news and analysis.

Castle Communists

50 posted on 11/26/2004 5:50:59 AM PST by beyond the sea (ab9usa4uandme)
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As mentioned above, but not adequately emphasized, the provisional ballots are well under way in their count. Bush's lead had expanded by over 5000 votes in those counted thus far. Combined with a known tabulating error in Gahanna (sp) that was made in favor of Bush, his lead has expanded a net 1200 votes to about 137500.

There were originally 155000 provisional ballots to count. Those counted thus far, after qualifying them, reduce the PV total outstanding still to be qualified and counted (Kerry counties among them) to about 87,000. The preliminary info from those very heavy Kerry counties suggest a qualification rate of 65%, not 79%. This will leave, after that reduction, about 57,000 ballots available for counting. There are 22 counties still out and Bush has a few of them, but the rest are Kerry. Overall, a reasonable projection is the PVs will finish with Bush leading by 129,000, and that's a low estimate.

There are 99,000 "spoiled" ballots. These had no vote for president but they are being defined incorrectly. A spoiled ballot also occurs when someone mispunches and asks for a replacement. The ballot is kept and carefully recorded as having been replaced and it is included in that 99K count. The voter was given the replacement and allowed to vote. The spoiled ballot was kept only to be hyper careful. It will not be counted at all in this instance, which is very common, because the voter voted with a different ballot.

So Bush will lead by 120,000, there will be fewer than 99K spoiled ballots left and they won't fully qualify and they won't break 100 to 0 for Kerry. I suspect the final lead will still be over 100,000, well outside automatic recount territory.

Note also that the PVs are counting, by hand, at approximately the same rate the overall count per county came in Nov 3. Kerry is up about 3% overall on the PV vs his Nov 3 results per county, which is consistent with the theory that Democrats are poor and move more often and have problems with their registration information keeping up with them. If there were cheating going on in the machines, this handcount would have found it and shown a much more significant differential. Indeed, it is not even clear the PVs are being hand counted. The machines may be doing it, and that means the machine tabulators are showing the 3% Kerry nudge. They could not do that if they were cheating.


51 posted on 11/26/2004 5:52:16 AM PST by Owen
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To: rmgatto
Yorktown Heights

Population (year 2000): 7,972

Males: 3,903 (49.0%), Females: 4,069 (51.0%)

County: Westchester

Land area: 5.7 square miles

Zip code: 10598

Median resident age: 39.1 years

Median household income: $88,648 (year 2000)

Median house value: $261,900 (year 2000)

52 posted on 11/26/2004 5:53:21 AM PST by beyond the sea (ab9usa4uandme)
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To: KidGlock
"Regardless of the outcome of this election, once all the votes are counted--and they will be counted--we will continue to challenge this administration," Kerry said

Challenge that. traitor!

53 posted on 11/26/2004 5:54:43 AM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (John Kerry--three fake Purple Hearts. George Bush--one real heart of gold.)
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To: Owen

WHO is voting on Provisional Ballots? The only people we had using them at our precinct were people who either weren't registered at all, or in our precinct, or in our county. So they don't count. I don't see how many prov. ballots would ever be counted. We only had one that counted, one who was registered properly but for some reason his name was not in the book. They found him in the files at the court house, so his vote was counted. That was the ONLY one that was VALID. MOST provisional ballots here are illegal votes and they go right into the trash.


54 posted on 11/26/2004 5:55:15 AM PST by buffyt (~It is not a choice ~ It is a CHILD!~)
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To: buffyt

Be my guest...it was entirely original, LOL!


55 posted on 11/26/2004 5:55:28 AM PST by dawn53
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To: dawn53

"It was always the plan to challenge the election in close states." "There are many close states where Kerry's margin of victory was smaller than Bush's margin of victory in Ohio...but they don't care about counting all the votes in those states."

Agree - a good example of this is Wisconsin - Kerry only lead by a little over 11,000 votes. Though, I guess I can understand why they wouldn't want to use their money to show that they potentially. I know our Pres likes to try to stay above the fray, and I respect him for that; but I kinda wish the Pubs would have asked for a recount in WI. As I recall, all/most of the pre-election polls had him ahead there - - I was surprised when he didn't win that state.


56 posted on 11/26/2004 5:55:48 AM PST by Seattle Conservative (Seattle Conservative)
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To: beyond the sea

"I don't care if we cheated or not, I feel if we did, we had to. There were too many evil lies being told about George Bush by the media. It had to be overcome."

So we could institute amnesty? Run up the debt higher?

Fantastic!!


57 posted on 11/26/2004 5:55:54 AM PST by Veritas et equitas ad Votum (If the Constitution "lives and breathes", it dies.)
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To: dawn53

THANKS!!!


58 posted on 11/26/2004 5:56:15 AM PST by buffyt (~It is not a choice ~ It is a CHILD!~)
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To: buffyt

Your precinct must have been unusual. The acceptance rate is running about 79% so far. These are people whose registration didn't keep up. They may have registered at the last minute and the books didn't get updated.

In Cleveland, the preliminary data says they will toss 40% of PVs. Overall among the 66 counties counted so far, the toss rate is 21%.


59 posted on 11/26/2004 5:57:53 AM PST by Owen
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To: Jeff Head

I just love all the newbies who seem to come here and post articles about "recounts" and "chads".

It's not going to happen.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1287460/posts

Individual counties are already revolting because of the anticipated costs, and they are getting orders enjoining the recount request as "futile" and "costly."

Further, any "recount" after 12/6/04 would have no legal effect because it would be outside the "safe harbor" provsion written into the US Code for selecting electors.

A federal court has already made it impossible to start or complete a "recount" in time to make that deadline.

It's over.

And even if there was one, it wouldn't matter -- it would never come to chads. 135,000 is an overwhelming margin. No recount has ever changed a result by more than 0.25%, and the President won by almost 2.5%, or 10 times that number.

Further, in the impossible scenario that all of the 90,000 non-votes (undervotes, overvotes, non-votes) were valid and they all went for Kerry (by 100%), he would STILL lose by a whopping 40,000 votes. The provisional ballots are splitting almost 50/50 (although the President's margin has actually INCREASED slightly), so the President, after the provisionals, will have a 130k-140k lead (120k at the worst).

Insurmountable.


60 posted on 11/26/2004 5:58:27 AM PST by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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