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Parliamentarians in sharia-law dilemma [Denmark: SocDem MP wants party to condemn sharia]
Copenhagen Post via Jyllands-Posten ^ | Nov 25, 2004 | unknown

Posted on 11/26/2004 7:12:01 AM PST by Mike Fieschko

Muslim politicians in this country say Islamic sharia law is an inextricable part of their identity - but claim it can be practiced within the parameters of Danish democracy

Political parties in Parliament are pressuring Muslim members to publicly disavow portions of Islamic sharia law condoning stoning, whipping and the amputation of hands.

Most parties have not urged their Muslim members to condemn portions of the traditional Islamic law pertaining to general lifestyle or religious issues such as prayer and fasting.

On Monday, Social Democratic immigration spokeswoman Anne-Marie Meldgaard issued an ultimatum to Muslim party members, demanding that they condemn sharia in order to remain in the party.

Party leader Mogens Lykketoft has so far declined comment on the ultimatum, and Meldgaard has since modified her original remarks.

"Of course it's OK to fast. As long as an individual is not acting in violation of the constitution, Danish jurisprudence, principles of equality or democracy, we can accept it. But I still maintain that people have no business with us if they place Islamic law above our democratic system, or support execution by stoning," said Meldgaard.

Social Democratic party member Hamid El Mousti, a Moroccan by birth, currently sits on Copenhagens City Council. El Mousti claims it is impossible for Muslims to disavow sharia in its entirety.

"Sharia is a part of our identity - part of being Muslim. It's unreasonable to ask us to swear off our religion - but demanding that we accept the values of Denmark is fine," said El Mousti, emphasising that he in no way condones the stoning of adulterous women or amputation of hands to punish thieves.

Centre Democrat Ben Haddou is also a member of Copenhagen's City Council, and seconds El Mousti's views.

"It's impossible to condemn sharia. And any secular Muslim who claims he can is lying. Sharia also encompasses lifestyle, inheritance law, fasting and bathing. Demanding that Muslims swear off sharia is a form of warfare against them," said Haddou, adding:

"For me, it's not a question of either/or. I can easily support sharia, but distance myself from those aspects that don't fit into the year 2004. Compare it to the constitution. Some parts are outmoded, and you might well imagine that some changes are long overdue," said Haddou.

Danish People's party leader Pia Kjærsgaard refuses to admit new members to her party if they refuse to condemn sharia law in its entirety.

"The Muslims politicians have their laundry list of complaints, but as far as I'm concerned, you're either for (sharia law) or against it. It's a package deal," said Kjærsgaard, citing the recent example of former Copenhagen Social Democrat Fatima Shah, who told Jyllands-Posten that sharia law was an "either/or" concept.

Most parties agree that members who voluntarily join the party also acknowledge the values on which the party is built.

"We have a programme that clearly outlines our beliefs. It's impossible to be a member of the Unity List and not support human rights," said Unity List MP Søren Søndergaard.

Liberal Party immigration spokeswoman Birthe Rønn Hornbech argues that sharia law represents many different things.

"There may be quite a few sharia rules that are fairly in synch with Danish law. Whether or not a private citizen supports abortion rights is none of the public's concern, but if a person declares that he or she is working to undermine Denmark's basic legal foundation, then that person does not belong in the Liberal Party," said Horbech.

Conservative MP Knud Erik Kierkegaard, Socialist People's Party MP Aage Frandsen and Christian Democrat Marianne Karlsmose say that membership in their respective parties requires prospective members to support the parties' fundamental values, and that certain elements of sharia law are incompatible with these values.

The Radical Liberals have had many heated discussions about the sharia conflict, ever since MP Sherin Khankan was suspended from Parliament after voting against a Radical Liberal-sponsored resolution condemning sharia law.

"We've seen a few examples where we've had to block people from running on our ticket. There was one county politician who came out in support of the death penalty. He wasn't nominated again. When you run for public office, you're bound to be scrutinised," said Radical Liberal justice spokeswoman Elisabeth Arnold.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amputation; cult; deception; democracy; denmark; eu; eurabia; europeanmuslims; islam; koranimal; koranimals; law; lies; muslim; sharia; stoning; taquija; taquiya; whipping

1 posted on 11/26/2004 7:12:01 AM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: Mike Fieschko

Good for the Danes!


2 posted on 11/26/2004 7:18:52 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: Mike Fieschko
"It's impossible to condemn sharia. And any secular Muslim who claims he can is lying. Sharia also encompasses lifestyle, inheritance law, fasting and bathing. Demanding that Muslims swear off sharia is a form of warfare against them,"

Proof enough that Islam is incompatible with civilization and should be barred from entry to any Civilized Nation.

So9

3 posted on 11/26/2004 7:19:01 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Kill them all. Let God sort them out.)
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To: Mike Fieschko
"On Monday, Social Democratic immigration spokeswoman Anne-Marie Meldgaard issued an ultimatum to Muslim party members, demanding that they condemn sharia in order to remain in the party."

Proof that some people from the Mother-Land still have guts and common sense.

4 posted on 11/26/2004 7:22:29 AM PST by kjuncowgirl
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To: Mike Fieschko
Muslim politicians in this country say Islamic sharia law is an inextricable part of their identity..

True

... - but claim it can be practiced within the parameters of Danish democracy

Lies!

Political parties in Parliament are pressuring Muslim members to publicly disavow portions of Islamic sharia law condoning stoning, whipping and the amputation of hands.

Yeah, Good Luck! This watering down of Islam is unacceptable to a "true believer" and is considered "bidah," an insult to Allah and ultimately punishable by death.

Most parties have not urged their Muslim members to condemn portions of the traditional Islamic law pertaining to general lifestyle or religious issues such as prayer and fasting.

Hows about they way they treat their women? And while you're at it, are you going to allow them to stop in middle of the word day when ever the feel like it to point their buttocks skywards? Hos about the right to Fridays afternoon off for terrorist training camp "jumma" at the "Masjid?" Better still, what if they ask for most of the month of ramadan off?

WORTH REPEATING: "It's impossible to condemn sharia. And any secular Muslim who claims he can is lying. Sharia also encompasses lifestyle, inheritance law, fasting and bathing. Demanding that Muslims swear off sharia is a form of warfare against them," said Haddou

See thru the Muslim lies and deception (Taquija).

5 posted on 11/26/2004 7:26:04 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade.)
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To: USF

Correction: "word day" = "work day"


6 posted on 11/26/2004 7:31:59 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade.)
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To: kjuncowgirl
I wonder how the Muslims would react to our re-enacting an old Christian law (ala Salem, MA) that insists we burn devil worshippers at the stake.

Further, I think, in light of the destructiveness and horrors of Islam, we can further prove that Allah is Satan.

7 posted on 11/26/2004 7:32:30 AM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Mike Fieschko
I thought that I was a tolerant person, but, given what I've learned about Islam from the Islamic terrorists' teachings (bombings, beheadings, etc.), I now believe that the world would be a better place without Islam.

No matter how many times a day they pray, they still prey upon innocent people just trying to live their own lives as best they can. Their religion of peace is being used as a cult of death and I can't help but believe that that's the way it was always intended: to justify killing in the name of their god. I don't care what they say about peace, their actions are all about death.

8 posted on 11/26/2004 7:38:49 AM PST by GBA
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To: Mike Fieschko
"Sharia is a part of our identity - part of being Muslim.

Our next Freedom of Religion issue?

9 posted on 11/26/2004 7:40:55 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: weenie

Rushdie had it right calling it "Satanic Verses".


10 posted on 11/26/2004 7:42:49 AM PST by GBA
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To: GBA
Their religion of peace...

Read the Qur'an and study the life of Mohammed (choose scholarly and objective bios, not propaganda) and you will see that Islam has never been a religion of peace.

It has been bloody and greedy and misogynistic and demonic from the very beginning.

11 posted on 11/26/2004 7:44:56 AM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Mike Fieschko
And any secular Muslim who claims he can is lying.

Every once in a while, the truth slips out.

12 posted on 11/26/2004 7:51:00 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: GBA
I thought that I was a tolerant person, but, given what I've learned about Islam from the Islamic terrorists' teachings (bombings, beheadings, etc.), I now believe that the world would be a better place without Islam.

You have just learned that tolerating (Islamic) intolerance is unaceptable - and very dangerous.

13 posted on 11/26/2004 7:51:04 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade.)
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To: GBA
Rushdie had it right calling it "Satanic Verses."

True.

What kind of religion of peace says that anyone criticizing it must be killed?

Islam has all the hallmarks of a classical cult.

You must submit (join) or live in dhimmitude (servitude) or die. And, once a member, the penalty for leaving is death. And you can never criticize Islam.

Oh, and, if you are a woman, you are a slave.

14 posted on 11/26/2004 7:51:29 AM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Mike Fieschko

" El Mousti claims it is impossible for Muslims to disavow sharia in its entirety.

"Sharia is a part of our identity - part of being Muslim. It's unreasonable to ask us to swear off our religion - but demanding that we accept the values of Denmark is fine,"

Then it's unreasonable for them to live in democratic societies.


15 posted on 11/26/2004 8:03:34 AM PST by helmetmaker
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To: Kolokotronis

Nuke the Cube! Makkah and Madinah craters....


16 posted on 11/26/2004 8:07:56 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Mike Fieschko

It seems some of these people are waking up to the mortal danger within their own lands.


17 posted on 11/26/2004 8:10:34 AM PST by Gritty
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To: weenie
Islam has all the hallmarks of a classical cult.

Don't forget other classical signs like giving up your previous identity (taking on an Islamic name) when joining the cult, severing ties with non-cult members ("do not take the unbelievers as friends") denying them some form of critical analysis, instead and relying on the support network of the cult, paying it part of your earnings (zakat), leading it's followers into destructive and antisocial behavior, the deception used in the recruitment process by not clearly identifying their purpose, the sexual exploitation of it's female members, using "coercive persuasion" over "normal" persuasion,and ultimately, what they would like do to those why try and leave.

18 posted on 11/26/2004 8:19:24 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade.)
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To: USF
Excellent...Now what do we do about?

Do we undertake to deprogram and entire culture or is their some other solution?

Deporting them is only a partial solution because Israel is still threatened and soon Islamic countries will have nuclear missles.

19 posted on 11/26/2004 8:23:52 AM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: weenie

OOPS! Too many errors to even attempt correction...sorry.


20 posted on 11/26/2004 8:24:51 AM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: weenie

OOPS! Too many errors to even attempt correction...sorry.


21 posted on 11/26/2004 8:24:51 AM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: weenie
Well, we're on the right road here at FReep... using the modern weapons we now have our disposal (like the internet, and the pajamahadeen), to made a difference and spead the word of what Islam really is, and not the whitewashed lies the clueless PC "hug a terrorist" brigade would like you to believe.

Its taken 9/11 to give Islam a good "airing" in the west. Lets not forget the lessons we learned: When looking for the "root cause" its not America that was to blame, the root cause lay in what was what was written in the the Quran and the hadiths. Keep spreading the word.

Someone said the other day "what percentage of the population know what Dhimmitude means?" I think this is a good indicaton of where we need to go, for a start.

As for thoughts on the GWOT in general... I made a few comments on another thread

22 posted on 11/26/2004 8:43:29 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade.)
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To: USF

I agree. I actually thought that Islam was a religion, as Christianity is a religion, and repected life. Clearly, I was wrong. Their "Religion" sacrifices human life to "god" all the while chanting "god is great". Hmm...chanting during human sacrifice? Isn't that what satanic rituals supposedly do? They sacrifice souls to the devil.


23 posted on 11/26/2004 8:46:22 AM PST by GBA
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To: USF

Good stuff...keep up the great work.


24 posted on 11/26/2004 8:47:27 AM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: weenie

All you have said is true. Kinda makes me wonder how it has grown to include such a following. There is no way I'll ever understand why a thinking person, especially a woman, would ever choose Islam.


25 posted on 11/26/2004 8:49:48 AM PST by GBA
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To: GBA
"No matter how many times a day they pray, they still prey"

Now that's a keeper. Needs a lil' modification and makes a great tag line and t-shirt, bumper sticker, etc.

"They pray 5(?) times a day, yet they still prey..."
Hmmm... mebbe something lil' shorter. Anyone have any ideas?
26 posted on 11/26/2004 8:52:59 AM PST by bigcheese ("Staring down the barrel at the arab on the ground, I can see his open mouth, but I hear no sound.")
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To: GBA
Also, I think, in this country and in the rest of the world, we need to dust off the old "sedition" laws and update them to include the hate-filled sermons of Imams in mosques and madrassas (and anywhere else for that matter).

However, the problem of Iran and nuclear weapons is a separate, yet urgent, matter than will most likely require action before January.

27 posted on 11/26/2004 8:56:41 AM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: GBA
I actually thought that Islam was a religion, as Christianity is a religion..

As you can see from the article at the top of this thread, Sharia is a cornerstone of Islam. This demonstrates that Islam is also a political system.

Sharia is Islamic gender and religious apartheid.

Next time someone talks of Islam as a "religion," it's worth reminding them of this after you get them to look up the word "dhimmi."

28 posted on 11/26/2004 9:07:26 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade.)
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To: Cronos

You like that, huh?


29 posted on 11/26/2004 9:07:35 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: USF
Great job, Teacher!

If Proud Infedel can steal your lines I hope it's ok if I do too.
30 posted on 11/26/2004 9:52:25 AM PST by jan in Colorado (Have you hugged a terrorist today?)
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To: jan in Colorado
LOL!! Go ahead! I'm charging Proud for the privalige though because he insulted Huitzilopochtli.

Hmmm... (***thinking out loud***) I better take out a copyright on my own tagline before someone else...

31 posted on 11/26/2004 10:38:30 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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To: USF

privalige=privilege


32 posted on 11/26/2004 10:40:33 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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To: USF
Yeah. He only accused me of heresy. It was probably a good idea to copyright. :)

You need to check out Understanding the Enemy post.
JFK_Lib needs some serious USF educating!
33 posted on 11/26/2004 10:52:03 AM PST by jan in Colorado (Have you hugged a terrorist today?)
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To: weenie
Further, I think, in light of the destructiveness and horrors of Islam, we can further prove that Allah is Satan.

I've been convinced for some time that Allah is/was the fallen angel Lucifer.

34 posted on 11/26/2004 11:27:33 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: texasbluebell
I've been convinced for some time that Allah is/was the fallen angel Lucifer.

Yup.

The more I read and study, the more I am convince of same.

And when I back off and look from some distance at the results of this religion (much of which is carefully hidden from outsiders and even ignored or denied by Muslim adherents), it is impossible to reach any other conclusion except that behind this religion is a force which is pure evil.

I know Lucifer is at work in plenty of other places as well as in Islam, but he is clearly the prime mover in this religion.

35 posted on 11/26/2004 12:17:27 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: weenie
I know Lucifer is at work in plenty of other places as well as in Islam, but he is clearly the prime mover in this religion.

The leader of the fallen angels, who was banished from ever again seeing the face of God, is causing a whole lot of trouble in this world. And Mohammed was Lucifer's follower.

36 posted on 11/26/2004 12:27:07 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: texasbluebell
And Mohammed was Lucifer's follower.

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."(John 8:44)

Sounds like someone familiar...Allah.

37 posted on 11/26/2004 12:41:03 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: weenie

The father of lies.

Fitting.


38 posted on 11/26/2004 10:02:57 PM PST by texasbluebell
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