Skip to comments.Attitude Adjustment Is Due
Posted on 11/26/2004 10:27:23 AM PST by 7thson
Mixed in with all the beatdowns and battles that dominated sports this past week was this little action by the NFL - Indianapolis Colts tight ends Marcus Pollard and Dallas Clark were each fined $5,000 for the "jump-and-bump" routine the two had taken to performing after scoring a touchdown.
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I noticed all the references involve blacks? Perhaps it's a black thing? Is it possible?
No, of course it's not possible... To contemplate otherwise would be racist.
I've been reading Phil Musnick's Cassandra warnings in the Post for some time now, e.g.:
"It all comes together, from switching to gang colors to trash-talk. You can't sell bad and expect good in return. About 20 years ago, we began to sell "attitude," with the commissioners' tacit approvals. Boiled attitude is now served daily. Are we happy now? "
Here's the link:
yes, I believe it was some rookie (everett mciver?), and IIRC, reports were that he paid him $1,000,000 to shut up about it.
You mean like Mark Gastineau's sack dance that started the whole thing about "taunting" in the NFL ? And significantly shortened his career ?
No, of course it's not possible... To contemplate otherwise would be racist.
But that wouldn't stop you, now would it ?
Bunch of Prima-Donnas behaving badly.
No more - No less.
It's completely understandable behavior from punks. You can make a punk a millionaire but he's still a punk.
That's all you have? I especially enjoy like the way you pass the buck, Sham
People have been making excuses for their behaviour for a number of reasons too, and this has to stop. Peole ARE going to go to the games, even though the best way to make a point is to leave the stands empty.
However, I believe the various organizations need to adopt a zero tolerance / termination policy. ANY TROUBLE in or out of the club, you'll be termainated. If you assault anyone for anything and bring disgrace to the team, you will be sued for losses to the organization in finding and training someone to fill your slot. Also, all endorsments should be pulled. That's it, end of the gravy train.. If you can't control yourself, go live on the street. You're banned from the game forever. Now, get out.
The only way to stop it, IMO, is to STOP IT. This will trickle down directly to college teams, highschool, and so on. The glorificaton of this crap has influenced childrens 'tude on the field too.. I want teams to be good sportmen, role models, good citizens, polite to their fans, and give back to their communities in a positive fashion.. If they don't like the fact that's they way I like a sports star to behave, too bad. Our games are watched by people around the world, and if the best players dont have the best manners, I don't want them on TV.. They represent America too.
Your kind has a way of appearing on threads like this like flies around a corpse.
No one is passing any "buck". Just telling the truth unlike you.
I remember in the mid to late 80's, the Detroit Pistons Bad Boys image - with approval by the league and sports writers. Those guys were thugs - especially Lambrier! Instead of stopping it then and there, all leagues gave tacit approval. Now we are where we are.
You're right about zero tolerance, but I think it needs to be done by the NFL. Otherwise the bad boy that has talent will merely go from the team that canned him to one that is full of bad boys.
I really like your idea about the team suing the player for losses to the organization and finding and training someone to fill their slot. I would go one step further and write it into their contract that if they misbehave in a way that gets them canned, their contract is now null and void, i.e. the team will not be buying out their contract. This would need to be, again, an NFL stipulation (if you want to play football in the NFL, you have to have this clause. no exceptions) maybe done as part of the union negotiations when it's time to renegotiate the collective bargaining agreement.
I miss Tom Landry. He would not have tolerated any of this crap from any of his players. They would have been gone, no matter how good they were.
But let's get to the black thing for a moment. Where did those stupid looking long shorts they have in the NBA come from? How about all the body tatoos? The scarves, stockings, and bandanas on the head? The term "dis?" The celebrations for first downs, sacks, tackles, TD's? Where did all of that originate?
I understand what you say. For years I would watch the highlights of soccer fans creating riots and eventually killing a player when he mistakenly scored for the other team. I thought that at least we do not act like that. Then the riots by citizens in cities where the team won a championship. Now we got this crap going on. It seems like everyone is losing their mind, over a game.
This is a GREAT idea!! Excellent.
Odious, whatever you have to say to me, say online. I have no interest in any private dialogue with bottom feeders.
7thson black people have been the engine of American popular culture for most of the 20th century. Charles Barkley and Rodman were much lauded bad boys 20 years ago. The black style of play made the NBA cool and profitable (the absence of which is why an NHL season can disappear without anyone noticing). Things have just got out of hand with young men, lots of money, lots of ego, and no restraints.
Let me ask you a question: Which genre of music is the only one that has had competing musicians kill one another? The answer: hip hop. What color are most artists and followers of hip hop? The answer: black. The violent behavior among blacks is publicly documented. You act like these things are not happening. Another question: What color were all the players involved in the Pacers/Detroit fans fight? The answer: black. Yes, some of the fans were white. Don't act like there is not evidence to back up the claim that it might be a flaw of black culture.
It has got to stop right now. We've let it go on too long. As an American, I am SICK of watching bad-boys excused for ANY REASON. I don't care about their reason. If they are too stupid to understand the rules, they they are too stupid to be paid big money and embarass us all. It's disgusting, and it's wrong.
If they want to be gang members, fine.. go on... take your chances outside the arena on a level playing field, where there may not be security to save your sorry butt. If they want to take that attitude and work at K-Mart, see how long you last. People are sick of the coddling.. And tired the ever increasing ticket costs to pay for that BS. JMHO>>
Let's talk about music. I have mentioned on other posts how I have listened and bought music from black artists from Big Joe Turner to Kool and The Gang. Their music and style were unique and cool. But in the last twenty years, nearly everything from the black culture has taken a wrong, bad turn. This fascination with drugs, money, sex, degrading women, respect and disrepect, killing people and cops - that is sick and evil! It does not matter who does it. Whites have always emulated blacks in the music industry and some did it very well - Average White Band is one that comes to mind. But even today's white "gangster" rappers are sick and evil.
You bring this type of culture into sports and the Artest thing is what you get. It is interesting you bring up Barkley. I love watching that guy play. I also loved it when he said when you sign onto the NBA, it's time to leave that ghetto crap back in the ghetto. Instead, too many bring that crap with them.
Whites are not asking blacks to act like whites. What we - and nearly everyone else - want is for people to act civilized. Be polite. Play fair. Play hard. Don't taunt. Create families. Pay attention to the kids you bring into this world. Don't smack women around. Don't shoot people. Realize there are times you have to swallow your pride. I knew blacks in the Navy that would not say please because it was "begging." No, it's being polite and civilized. But when I ask that from blacks as well as everyone I encounter, I am still racist?
You wouldn't know Truth if it walked up to you and spat in your face.
However, the pain in your reply's indicates there is hope that you may one day face the Truth, embrace it and understand it's meaning. Until then, keep up the personal attacks, your quite good at that.
Actually, most hip hop is bought by whites. If it had only black audiences, bling-bling would mean cubic zirconia. We see the steady Eminem-ization of white youth culture with crystal meth as the drug of choice.
Ahh, but that's the dirty little secret. Most of us know that the majority of these athletes - black or white - are about as smart as a rock! You can hear it when they speak, how they act, how they treat others!
This crap did not happen years ago and sports such as basketball, football, and baseball have always been a poor mans sport. Not to many millionaires are playing these games as kids. Mostly because it is a way for someone with special abilities to break away and from the poverty they come from - whether it is the coal mines, the cotten fields, the steel mills, the factories, the ghetto. Yet, players did not act like thise for the most part. Now, with million dollar salaries, we expect better. Yet, they still act like punks and gangsters.
I expect people to act civilized, and shunned when they don't. That goes in politics too... look at the screaming political pundits on CrossFire etc. Our society has lowered the bar so far, its time to jerk it back.
Example of Lawrence O'Donnell losing his mind and screaming LIAR over and over at John O'Neil recently. THAT should've been grounds for termination on the spot. The lack of decent ADULT behavior on 'Court Shows' seemed to spiral out of control back in the OJ days.. We've allowed this to continue... and now it's time to put a stop to it.
Sports is probably the most obvious place that a zero tolerance plan would be effective at changing behaviors right down the line.
Sports have rules to deal with infractions. That's it. You don't need someone to make a movie about it. You don't need to flap you gums to the media after the game. Especially if you can not effectively speak the English language. That TOO is something teams should consider. THIS GUY IS A GRADUATE OF WHAT COLLEGE?? Please, fire the professors and tear up the degree. What a sham.
Since Ron Artets's bone-headed reaction to being hit yet again by something thrown from the stands and the resulting violence that ensued, every jerk with a hard-on for "those overpaid thugs and gangsters" that play professional sports has had something to say.
In all the years I have been on Free Republic I have never been more disgusted with the members of this forum than during the last week. Many, not all, of the opinions voiced in these pages have been overtly racist and dripping with the same kind of resentment and hatred the class-warfare mavens on the left espouse.
Many posters to this thread and the "Detroit Brawl" threads have little interest in facts or context when describing these events, especially when those facts don't support their own bitter worldview.
I have my own opinion:
The great majority of pro atheletes are black and many like
rap music (which in itself is a sign of wickedness to many
on this forum).
The great majority of pro atheletes are decent people that work very hard.
The great majority of pro atheletes have attended college with many if not most having degrees.
The great majority of pro atheletes have never had trouble with the law.
The great majority of pro atheletes make more money than you or I (The fact they do so for playing a game drives many on this forum absolutely mad. It seems that some free-market advocates don't have the same view when it comes to pro sports).
If you don't like professional sports don't watch it. If you don't like black people don't watch it. But please keep your small-minded and bigoted opinions to yourself and leave my favorite sports and players alone.
The act STARTED with Artests flagrant foul, not the fan that threw the cup.
BTW, a statistic about the NBA. 40% of NBA players have a felony record. Perhaps you can break down the stats with some information.
The commments I've read have not been racist. If music of any kind has an effect on your civil behaviour, then you are too immature to play professional sports or hold a job where being civil is an expectation.
As far as the great majority of athletes being black, I guess it depends on what sport you watch. I love any sport, particularly boxing, hockey, baseball and CURLING, yes curling. I've never seen a curling match turn to crap. I have no stats as to why that is. We DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT bad-boy / bad sport behaviour to appease someones claims of racism. We are a civilized society, and have to try to maintain a standard of common decency. Sportsmen like behaviour HAS fallen to the wayside, but I have been encouraged with the actions of some teams that have enough self-respect to behave like ADULTS, rather than spoiled out of control children.
It's not RACIST to expect good behaviour from anyone. It's that simple to me anyway.
I find that almost impossible to believe. I am not saying that whites do not buy it. I'm sure they do. There is no way that they are the majority customer.
If only blacks bought rap would Eminem be a star ? Wouldn't he have faded alongside Vanilla Ice, Snow, and Brian Austin Green ?
You clearly are not listening. Whites are not the majority audience.
This display of poor sportsmanship occured so fast that I did not have time to cover the eyes of my 13-year-old son who was watching with me.
Until the NFL cleans up there act, I'm afraid that I am forced to watch all their forthcoming games on time-delay (TIVO) so that I can screen out all objectionable conduct before allowing the children to view.
There's just no end to the goofiness among large, stupid people, is there?
The problem is that the white kids have been so scared of the "tough" black kids, that they have emulated them, to just get along.
It is a classic synptom, which has been allowed to fester, becaused the white kids parents don't have the balls to tell the kids to turn that shiite music off, and put on some pants that fit. Combine that with the demise of the two parent family, and kids need a role model...and will take anything that appears to be standing out!
Bigotry is most prevalent in the black race, however. I give you Secretary of State designate, Condoleeza Rice, and Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, as prime examples. I have had some interesting conversations about racism, with Justice Thomas, at our common church... and these are commonlyt held views! How may Irish-Americans, or German-Americans, or whatever color/heritage background can have a festival on the Mall in Washington, DC, without being called racist?
Because someone is a good athlete, or musician, he is able to make tons of money. That is because they are generating profits for some corporations. All young folks want to make tons of money, and when they see someone do it so easily, they are jealous. That jealousy grows with age!
But, tght being said, bad manners, and bad actions certainly don't make for pleasant company. I am a WASP, and generally have friends at my home, of any color, or race, but they are all "pleasant company"! Otherwise, keep them away from me and mine!
noticed all the references involve blacks? Perhaps it's a black thing? Is it possible?
its just that pro srorts are about 75% black
Don't forget Latrell Sprewell choking Carlesimo!!
I stopped watching the news, and I've pretty much given up watching sports - just golf every so often.
sorta like the getto version of the stockholm syndrome
what surprises me most, is that we have people who actually claim not to be bigots. I am certainly bigoted, but not racially as much as I am against stereotypical statements, posted as fact, by folk with an axe to grind.
I dislike ignorant people, and don't care where they come from, or of what color is their skin... I just don't want to have anything to do with them!
I was blessed by being raised by a military man. In the 50's and 60's, base housing was allotted by rank, not race. We had friends of all persuasions. We fought against each other, and for each other, at different times, just like siblings! We all shared a commonality with our parents choice of career, and the military did not tolerate then, what they have to put up with now!!!
We did get along!
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