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Posted on 11/26/2004 10:42:12 AM PST by Former Dodger
Religious zealots riding high after W's win
Less than a month after the national elections, the mullahs of America's religious right are in full swagger. Dispensing with pretense, they are openly reconfiguring American government in the service of a narrow version of fundamentalist Christianity. For weeks, the press has focused on how a vast mobilization of evangelical voters helped President Bush to reelection. That's missing the disturbing sequel to the story: an explicit, organized campaign to erode the nation's status as a modern, secular and constitutional democracy.
Consider the following events, all of which have taken place since Election Day.
In a letter dated Nov. 3, the president of Bob Jones University, the politically influential Bible college in South Carolina, sent Bush an open letter, posted on the school's Web site.
"In your reelection, God has graciously granted America - though she doesn't deserve it - a reprieve from the agenda of paganism," wrote Bob Jones 3rd. "Put your agenda on the front burner and let it boil. You owe the liberals nothing. They despise you because they despise your Christ."
A few days later, James Dobson, the archconservative founder of Focus on the Family, a lobbying group, bluntly notified the nation that he expects Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.), in line to become chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, to be an errand boy for the religious right.
Specter committed the sin of suggesting that Bush would have problems winning Senate approval of Supreme Court nominees who are determined to overturn Roe vs. Wade and outlaw abortion.
Dobson promptly went on national television to issue a political fatwa. "He is a problem, and he must be derailed," Dobson said.
Senate leaders hastily patched together a compromise that will let Specter keep his job. "He will assume his new position on a very short leash," said Mullah Dobson.
In case any other slow learners in Congress needed help, Dobson gave clear marching orders. "Especially, especially, putting conservative judges on the judiciary, that is the key to everything," he said on ABC's "This Week."
Speaking of the judiciary, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia made two appearances this week that confirm his oft-stated intent to erase traditional lines separating church and state. "We are fools for Christ's sake," Scalia said at a Red Mass, a tradition for Catholic lawyers, in Illinois. "We must pray for the courage to suffer the contempt of the sophisticated world."
A few days later, addressing Congregation Shearith Israel in Manhattan, Scalia dropped the Christ references but kept the message touting government support of religion.
"There is something wrong with the principle of neutrality," he told the congregants, according to The Jerusalem Post. The true goal, he said, "is not neutrality between religiousness and nonreligiousness; it is between denominations of religion."
In a 1960 speech to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association, then-Sen. John Kennedy described the restraint and neutrality that government leaders should exercise with regard to religion.
"I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute," said Kennedy. "Where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials.... I believe in a President whose religious views are his own private affair."
America in the age of the mullahs has strayed a long way indeed from Kennedy's wise words.
Originally published on November 26, 2004
E-mail: elouis @edit.nydailynews.com
"formerly served as associate editor of The New York Sun"
What is up with that? The Sun is endevouring to be NY's conservative non-tabloid paper.
I'm confused!
Lotta "formerly" this and "has done" thats in his bio. I think reading between the lines spells out "unemployed."
Boo!
Mullahs of the religious right? If the writer is so stupid that he can't tell the difference, I can't bother to read any further.
Hate, hate, hate, hate. That's all these people can spew. They hate God, they hate freedom, they hate anyone who disagrees eith them, they hate the Declaration of Independence, they hate babies, they hate REAL liberal education, they hate this country. The true religiously intolerant people are the far left wackos who censor and insult anyone who disagrees with their worldview.
Guess what, they lost, they're the minority, they have no ideas for making this country better, they are the enemies of America. They have nothing in their hearts except for the same old tired slogans and hate for the majority of wise people who saw through their lies and intolerence. They are bigots of the highest order. Go cry somewhere else, I'm not listening.
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Posting an opinion on a web site qualifies as an event in this jokers world. The libs are still in denial that they got their ears pinned back Nov. 3.
Kennedy was a tax cutter as well. The left never recognizes JFK's conservative side.
Just a note: Kennedy said his "wise words" during a campaign where one of his biggest stumbling blocks was that the non-Catholic public was fearful of him becoming president. Rumor was that he would just be a figurehead for the Vatican. Kennedy was trying to dispel that feeling and get himself elected.
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Which was pretty hard core left wing,although he might have left the NY Sun when it started to swing right.
Of the four words he used to describe the US, only one - "constitutional" - has any validity in describing our system. While our founders did adopt democratic forms, they certainly were not concerned with being "modern" or "secular". Forget about erosion, how about obliteration?
I agree that these two occurances are examples that should not occur, but your using secularism as a religion is I hope sarcasm. The belief in something that calls for the ouster of religion in civic matters or the holding of a philosophical view to exclude religion, would only oddly be held to be a religion.
Ok I think I get it. Its ok for them to force their twisted perverted silly ideals on us but we better not try to mention God. Wayyyyy to dangerous. They have never really explained how God is a danger to people. Its strange, too, cause He created the very people who hate Him.
Can we stop the idea that it is somehow a religious values clash that divides.
It is socialism, pure and simple, that is causing the rift.
I dispise the socialist agenda. In fact, I don't need religious polemics to argue against the socialists, and that is what the democrats are: SOCIALISTS.
We are fighting socialism and its ilk.
Time to diffuse the left's playbook because while they can and will make a mockery of religion and religious people, and hide behind this cloak of obfuscation, we need to make them understand that the jig's up. The real agenda is out there.
I met my cousins lesbian "partner" yesterday at thanksgiving dinner. They seemed a little concerned about being in the same room with such a dangerous "right winger" as myself. I like to think that I planted a small seed of reality in their heads.
They didn't find the raging homophobe gay basher they obviously expected. What the found was a rational person with a different opinion.
Secular Humanism IS a religion, complete with the sacraments of homosexuality, depravity, hubris, indolence and, of course, abortion. (I may have left a few out.)
Per our earlier conversation.
you can call it whatever you like, that doesn't make it true. We are just as guilty of bastardizing the language as the left when we do this.
| the holding of a philosophical view to exclude religion, would only oddly be held to be a religion.
It is obvious that the Establishment Clause was meant by the founders to deal with acts such as Henry VIII's, establishing a "Church of England" and demanding that Englishmen adhere to it. It is a huge stretch to claim that the clause prohibits any mention of a God whatsoever, by anyone with the remotest connection to government subsidy. That is nothing less than the godless establishing their religion. If the Boy Scouts were demanding that scouts become Presbyterians, I could see the objection. But there's nothing like that. Instead we have courts demanding that scouts act like athiests. I fail to see how athiesm is not a religion; it takes as much of an act of faith to believe that there is no God, as to believe there is. |
I'm calling BS on that one. I'm saying it flat did not happen. Someone made it up or someone is taking something compeletely out of context in order to push an agenda.
I, for one, have my kid in a private Catholic school because I don't want government shoving some Protestant cleric's version of religion down her throat. There is a completly undeniable separation of church and state. I want the government to keep its filthy nose out of our religion. The damn government controls everything it wants now, and some are even pushing it to control the version of religion that is dispensed. This is starting to tick me off!!
My child is taught that she must do good deeds for other people if she has any hope of getting into heaven. I for damn sure don't want the government telling her in a public school that this is not true because some Protestant cleric is making the government say otherwise. Its none of the government's damn business. This is exactly why there is a separation of church and state.
Flame away, but I'm getting royally ticked about all of this.
I have a very deep, inbred respect for language. I am making a distinction between religion and faith.
Having faith in some philosophy or the absence of something does not constitute that object. In fact it would be the antithesis.
Be afraid, be VERY afraid Errol!
You shoulda bashed those rugmunchers.
JUST kidding. :)
as was I, perhaps I was not clear in my choice of vocabulary. In general, the absence of something is not evidence of the object which is absent.
"I think reading between the lines spells out "unemployed.""
How about NEVER employed?
"The City Sun"
Yes, yes, you are likely correct that it's an error in the original.
YES! Wheee...wow.... thanks for roadmap Errol.
Think I will get archconservative tattooed on my butt...maybe with winner under it .............LOL..............................................................
Skeptical with you BUMP!
I don't think the whole story has been told on that CA thing, either. If you read the complaint filed on thesmokinggun.com, at LEAST two of the handouts that he put out were directly intended to push religion. The 'national day of prayer proclamation' he handed out was definitely NOT coincidental (though he claimed it was 'an example of a presidential proclamation'), and handing out 'what great leaders have said about the bible' and 'a history of "in god we trust"' are not exactly indicative of his extensive use of excerpts of historical documents from a non-proselytizing perspective.
"I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute," said Kennedy. "Where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials.... I believe in a President whose religious views are his own private affair."
kennedy was attempting to reassure the US public that as a Cholic (first one elected president) he would not be doing the bidding of the Pope in Rome. Just like a Jew running for president would have to assure the public that he was not a tool for Israel and would not be at their beck and call.
The author knows this and yet uses this misleading quote anyway, shame on him, I can understand why the editors at the Sun let him go.
This guy Dagman looks like a troll to me, I think his entire post was bogus.
Recall Ephesians 2:8-9 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-- and this is not from yourselves, it is a gift of God-- not by works, so that no one can boast."
While it says in James that faith without works is dead, you neglect the fact that we are saved by faith, not works alone. I personally believe it irresponsible to teach a child that he or she can buy their way into heaven with good works. Good works should be a manifestation of faith.
Yup. It takes all kinds. Whatcha gonna do?
A teacher in California was forbidden to teach students about the Declaration of Independence, on the grounds that it violates the established religion of the state, which is secularism."
Well said.
Are you sure you don't have her in a Muslim school?
"Convenntional wisdon" - - the last refuge of the ignorant and lazy mind.
Anyways, just for fun, here is the verbatim text of Amendment 1. (It contains nothing about "separation of church and state". That myth arose from a disgraceful, perverted, one-way take on the first line of Amendment 1, and a complete dismissal of the six words following the first comma. Spin, distort, pervert, repeat....)
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
The opening phrase, "Congress shall make no law....", has been perverted by the liberals into prohibiting a valedictorian from praying publicly at his graduation, barring military folks from leading Boy Scout troops, and condemning public displays of the Ten Commandments.
Errol Louis and his ilk are sick dogs who are scared to death that America may be on the verge of reclaiming its moral compass.
"...your using secularism as a religion is I hope sarcasm. The belief in something that calls for the ouster of religion in civic matters or the holding of a philosophical view to exclude religion, would only oddly be held to be a religion." ~ verifythentrust
Not hardly.
Saul Alinsky - The Religious Marxist-Left follows him "religiously". Their magazine? Sojourners:
http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=magazine.article&issue=Soj0003&article=000311
Saul Alinsky's books: Rules for Radicals and Reveille for Radicals
In the 60's, as a radical hippy-type mentality herself at Wellesley, Hillary Clinton was so enamored of Saul Alinsky and his *methods* she wrote her senior thesis under his mentoring.
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Book Review [excerpted]: Why the Left Is Not RightThe Religious Left: Who They Are and What They Believe by Ronald Nash Published in The Freeman: Ideas on Liberty - December 1997 by Doug Bandow http://www.fee.org/vnews.php?nid=3918
When it comes to religion and politics, most media attention is focused on the right. And it usually isn’t positive coverage. Religious conservatives are presented as threatening America’s constitutional balance, women’s right to choose, gays’ civil liberties, and much more.
Yet religious activism runs both ways. As Ronald Nash, a professor at the Reformed Theological Seminary in Orlando, Florida, notes in Why the Left Is Not Right, there is an active and diverse religious left in the United States. To be sure, these people, who once “proudly proclaimed their liberal or radical connections,” now “describe themselves as moderates and centrists,” notes Nash. But their policy positions remain unashamedly left-wing.
Nash divides the religious left into three parts: liberal mainline Protestants, liberal Catholics, and left-wing evangelicals. There’s no doubt where Nash stands. He argues that these groups have been used (willingly or unwillingly) by the Democrats for electoral purposes and have helped “demonize politically conservative Christians.” A prolific author and entertaining speaker, Nash obviously views himself as among the demonized right.
In his view, the central argument is not whether people of faith should be concerned about peace and justice, but what those terms mean. The evangelical left has appeared to have simply assumed the standard liberal understanding of the words and then discredited anyone (including their politically conservative brethren) who understood the terms differently and who pursued the objectives of peace and justice in a different way.
Perhaps the greatest value of Why the Left Is Not Right is that it shows how political activism by people of faith is neither new nor restricted to conservatives. Indeed, even as evangelicals were receiving exaggerated public attention for entering the political process, mainline Protestant denominations were promoting Democratic political causes domestically and communist revolutionary movements abroad. It is a story worth remembering when the media and political establishments pour obloquy on traditionally less active evangelicals and fundamentalists as they seek to protect themselves and their values from government intrusion.
Much the same politics has been on display within the Roman Catholic Church. Catholics were once “thoughtful enemies of secularism, humanism, and the liberal welfare state,” writes Nash. Many still are, but as Nash puts it, “large cracks have appeared in the political and social thinking of many educated Catholics.” The 1985 Pastoral Letter on the economy, for example, was as political as anything emanating from the Christian Coalition. Even more radical have been specific segments of the church, such as the Maryknoll Order.
However, Nash devotes most of his attention to the lesser-known left-wing evangelicalism. He argues that the New Left and “the adversary culture” of the 1960s spawned political liberalism among Protestants who purport to hold a more conservative, orthodox theological view. Nash focuses on three leading leftish evangelicals: Jim Wallis, editor of Sojourners magazine; Ron Sider, founder of Evangelicals for Social Action and author of Rich Christians in a World of Hunger; and Tony Campolo, sociology professor, well-published author, and presidential confidante.
The scrutiny is warranted.... Wallis, for instance, lives his beliefs. Two decades ago Wallis moved his magazine to a poor section of Washington, D.C., and formed a community of the same name. At the same time, however, he has, as Nash points out, remained imbued with the leftist Zeitgeist of the 1960s.
The boat people fleeing communist Vietnam, Wallis wrote, were leaving “to support their consumer habit in other lands.” Their departure should not be taken to “discredit” Vietnam.
Wallis’s views toward Cuba and Nicaragua were similarly skewed.
Wallis’s economic opinions also were long solidly collectivist. The collapse of socialism abroad seems to have chastened himhe now calls himself centrist and asserts that he is independent of Democrats and Republicans alikebut he remains wedded to interventionist policies.
Conservatives, Wallis charges, retain an “attachment to institutions of wealth and power, preference for the status quo, and the lack of a strong ethic of social responsibility.”
Unfortunately, while Wallis now criticizes abuses by government, he underestimates how the activist state promotes concentrations of wealth and power, supports the status quo, and undermines social responsibility.
Similar is Nash’s case against Ron Sider. Sider .... has always placed intentions before results. Thus, as Nash documents, Sider has long advocated the sort of government intervention that has been tried and found wanting throughout this century.
.... Nash points out that “Ron Sider, the person who comes closest to being a moderate member of the evangelical Left, has himself spent years trying to elect liberal, typically Democratic, candidates to public office.”
Tony Campolo is probably the most public of the three, given his high-profile contacts with President Bill Clinton. Campolo also criticizes government, but seems committed to statist remedies when it comes to solving specific problems. ...
Through his analysis, which concludes with chapters on economics and poverty, Nash shows how even the best-intentioned of religious believers can come up with solutions inimical to the interests of those they wish to serve. .....
Why the Left Is Not Right deals seriously with an important subject. Despite the public perception that religious activists gravitate toward the right, many people of faith have embraced collectivist remedies despite the ill effects on those most in need.
In short, Nash’s basic thesis is correct: the left is not right.
Zondervan • 1996 • 222 pages • $10.99 paperback
Doug Bandow, a nationally syndicated columnist, is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute and the author of Beyond Good Intentions: A Biblical View of Politics (Crossway).
No, and she's not in a Protestant school either.
Regarding religion, free expression is not the same thing as coercion. And, if every idea in the Bible must be banished from consideration then we'd better repeal the murder and theft laws. We'd better teach our school children that lying is just another lifestyle choice that some people make. Heck, aren't most people born dishonest anyway? So cheat and lie, kiddies. You were born for it.
Nice try, but no kewpie doll. All three groups described are religious believers. The association of secularists, who are not espousing a religion, but the absence of it in government, with a religion is just false, a misuse of words, and comparable to leftest use of propaganda. Let's make our points without such drivel.
"to erode the nation's status as a modern, secular, constitutional democracy."
has someone issued an edict, declaring the United States a secular democracy? (one smells authoritarianism in the air)
I recently watched a "made-for-TV" movie called 'The Contender' which was about a woman who was nominated by the President to take over as Vice President in his administration. It was first broadcast about five years ago.
This movie was as brazenly and sickenly liberal as it gets. During hearings before Congress, the nominee speechified about how big-government and liberal/socialist policy WAS her religion. It was jaw dropping. You had to see it to believe it, but it shamelessly and clearly exemplified the common liberal mindset.
I resemble that remark! Truly a misunderestimation of justice!
There were some threads about it on here when it came out. I saw it. It made Gary Oldham's character, the conservative senator, a real characature and glorified the libs. Usual pap!
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