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To: Carry_Okie

You stated, "If your intent is to reach those who need pursuading, there are better ways to make the obvious need for God given rights unescapable to even a hardened liberal. Unalienable rights, as endowed by a Creator, are so important because government has no legitimate authority or power to violate those rights if they are endowed by a higher authority. It is a concept so important that, if there wasn't a Creator, we'd be best off maintaining whatever pretense necessary that there was."

I believe your concern in this regard was a point made in the title post.

Also, regarding your concern that quoting the infallible, inerrant, inspired Word of Almighty God was not suitable for a "secularist", I must state that the Bible is solid Truth-- period. While this author referenced several sources, it is, in fact, profiable to prove your posistion based on the Sovereign Truth-- the word of Almighty God the Creator. Logic and history (which is His-Story, by the way) are but little aside from the truths found in Scripture.

Proverbes 16:6: "By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil." How do you direct men to depart from evil, but by showing them why and what certain actions are evil? And, how do you show them evil, but by showing them truth?

2 Timothy 3:16-17, states: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."


41 posted on 11/27/2004 3:38:11 AM PST by Arkansas Boy (Deo Vindice.)
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To: Arkansas Boy
Also, regarding your concern that quoting the infallible, inerrant, inspired Word of Almighty God was not suitable for a "secularist", I must state that the Bible is solid Truth-- period.

Go ahead on with your obvious breast beating. My observation is that it's failing.

Whatever happened to "let your light so shine before men," or, "not every man that sayeth unto me, Lord, Lord"?

Logic and history (which is His-Story, by the way) are but little aside from the truths found in Scripture.

They are manifestations of truths found in Scripture.

How do you direct men to depart from evil, but by showing them why and what certain actions are evil? And, how do you show them evil, but by showing them truth?

So, stick with that until they're ready to learn the source of that Truth. It's a lousy political tactic to blow them over or turn them away with citations to the Bible before they're ready, just because you want to feel good about the righteousness of your faith.

"Werefore by their fruits ye shall know them."

42 posted on 11/27/2004 6:40:59 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Arkansas Boy

Sorry, the Bible isn't the inerrant word of God... You believe it is, but it isn't a fact at all, only your belief (flawed )


47 posted on 11/27/2004 7:05:44 AM PST by Pitiricus
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