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Touring the 'Mighty Mo' (Pearl Harbor Day coming up)
Arizona Daily Star/AP ^ | 11/28/04 | Katherine Nichols

Posted on 11/28/2004 6:25:07 AM PST by SandRat

PEARL HARBOR, Hawaii -

Each day, thousands of people visit the USS Arizona Memorial to pay tribute to the victims of Pearl Harbor. The Japanese sneak attack on Dec. 7, 1941, killed some 2,400 Americans, shattered the U.S. Pacific Fleet and propelled the United States into World War II. A gleaming white memorial straddles the sunken battleship where many of the 1,177 sailors killed that day still are entombed.

For many visitors, paying their respects at the Arizona Memorial is a prelude to touring the Battleship Missouri Memorial. The USS Missouri served in World War II, the Korean War and the Gulf War, and the ship has been turned into a museum about daily life aboard a 20th-century war vessel.

Together, the Arizona and the Missouri served as bookends for the war. The attack on Pearl Harbor and the Arizona's destruction forced the United States to enter World War II; the conflict formally ended aboard the Missouri on Sept. 2, 1945, when Japanese leaders signed surrender documents in Tokyo Bay, at a ceremony presided over by Gen. Douglas MacArthur.

"We want people to come to the Missouri, but we want them to go to the Arizona first," said Lee Collins, spokesman for the USS Missouri Memorial Association. "They're going to cry and then come to the Missouri and get the rest of the story. The experience isn't as powerful if you don't have that sense of tragedy."

Visitors to the Missouri walk under a main battery of gun turrets 65 feet long - each weighing 116 tons and able to hurl 2,700 pound shells 23 miles in 50 seconds with near-pinpoint accuracy - and marvel at the 1,200 foot-long anchor with 110-pound links.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailystar.com ...


TOPICS: Japan; Miscellaneous; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: 7th; attack; dec; douglas; gen; harbor; japanese; macarthur; pearl; pearlharbor; sneak; ussarizona
It's an interesting story if you skip the tour cost stuff in it.

Some nice photos at the link too of the MO and the USS Arizona Memorial.

1 posted on 11/28/2004 6:25:07 AM PST by SandRat
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To: SandRat

I've visited the Arizona Memorial 4 times over the years, since the mid 60's..what amazed me every time was that easily 2/3's of the visitors were Japanese..


2 posted on 11/28/2004 6:34:23 AM PST by ken5050
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To: ken5050

We visited there on the way back from Korea. When we, my 10 year old daughter and my 7 year old son went out to the Arizona it was the same and that was in 1987. Though my son did cause a bit of a stir, well sort of. He sat on the bench looking down at the Arizona and started crying. As he was crying he kept say "They have to get them out. They have to! Their Mothers need to see them and touch them again! They need to go Home!" Well, the two young Female Petty Officers that brought us over from the dock were right next to him and just a huggin-n-cryin-n-huggin-n-cryin-n.... right along with him. Well on the short trip back he stayed with them at the helm getting more huggin-n-squeezin-n-.... and evidently they'd somehow got the word to the others at the dock because he got swamped with more Female Petty Officers after we got off the boat for more huggin-n-squeezin-n-....

I think he had a good day.

We've been teasing him about it ever since. His young bride say he's not going anywhere near Pearl without her and she'll handle any huggin-n-squeezin-n-.... that's needed.


3 posted on 11/28/2004 6:48:02 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

My Father served aboard the battleship USS Mississippi (BB 41) The stories he had told me when I was a young boy was facinating. They supported the Marine landings on the island of Peleliu, the liberations of the Philippines, shelling the east coast of Leyte Gulf and supporting the landings of General Douglas MacArthur’s troops, then destroying a mighty Japanese task force at the mouth of Surigao Straight which to this day remains the largest naval battle in history. The Mississippi was hit by kamikaze's twice, once in the Philippines and again while shelling Shuri Castle on Okinawa. My Dad's best friend was killed in one of these kamikaze attacks.
The Mississippi was sold for scrap in 1956, but for my dad And the men to whom she was so good never forgot her. All five of my Dad's children recall that the first word he taught us to spell was
M-i-s-s-i-s-s-i-p-p-i., and there is no doubt why.


4 posted on 11/28/2004 7:04:49 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: NavyCanDo

But did he have to explain to the teachers why it was spelled USS Mississippi BB 41? Just teasing.

Did they try to get some of her deck planking for crew keepsakes before she went to the yard?

God bless him!


5 posted on 11/28/2004 7:10:22 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat
 
For those that are interested in how Pearl Harbor was investigated beginning in late 1945 and lasting till May 1946. 
 
A chronological chart of the investigations from the "Dorn Report".
Use a hyperlinked map of the Investigations to navigate or scroll down.
http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/pha/file_map.html

The "NINE INVESTIGATIONS" in chronological order:
http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/pha/invest.html
 
The Knox Investigation http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/pha/knox/knox_0.html
Dec. 9-14, 1941. 

The Roberts Commission http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/pha/roberts/roberts.html
Dec. 18-January-23, 1941
 
The Hart Investigation http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/pha/hart/hart-00.html
Feb. 12-June 15, 1944
 
The Army Pearl Harbor Board http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/pha/army/chap_0.html
Jul. 20-Oct. 20, 1944
 
The Navy Court of Inquiry http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/pha/navy/navy_0.html
Jul. 24-Oct. 19, 1944. 
 
The Clarke Investigation http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/pha/clarke/clarke_0.html
Aug. 4-Sep 20, 1944 
 
The Clausen Investigation
http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/pha/clausen/clausen.html
Jan. 24-Sep. 12, 1945 
 
The Hewitt Inquiry http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/pha/hewitt/hewitt-0.html
May 14-July 11, 1945
 
The Joint Congressional Committee
http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/pha/congress/part_0.html
Nov. 15, 1945-May 23, 1946 
==========================
Suggested research path:

The Joint Congressional Committee
http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/pha/congress/part_0.html
Table of Contents gives a good over-view of the Report
and the Report itself refers back to the previous reports.

The Pearl Harbor Investigation Listing
http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/pha/invest.html
including the Joint Congressional Committee report and
the other eight official investigations
into the attack.

The Listing of Additional Files
http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/pha/extra.html
Holds several items that are of interest but weren't included in all of the
proceedings.

Naval Historical Center Images of Pearl Harbor
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/wwii-pac/pearlhbr/pearlhbr.htm

Photographic collections related to Pearl Harbor
http://ibiblio.org/pha/images/index.html

A Chronological Collection of Documents Relating to the U.S. Entry Into WWII
http://ibiblio.org/pha/timeline/  (Four parts)
    Magic intercepts listed in the Pearl Harbor Attack Hearings.
    Communications between Washington and the US embassy in Tokyo, other
    relevant US documents.
    International chronology, listing various documents from around the world
    Military document chronology, listing important military plans, studies and   communications.

Japanese Operational Monograph  No. 97  PEARL HARBOR OPERATIONS:
General Outline of Orders and Plans http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/myths/jm-097.html
was rewritten in English by the Japanese Research Division, Military History
Section, Headquarters, Army Forces Far East and is based on the translation
of the Japanese original.

Pearl Harbor Revisionism
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3682/phrevisionism.html
First Order revisionism holds President Franklin D. Roosevelt personally
responsible for the debacle at Pearl Harbor and regards him as having used
the incident as a means to get the United States involved in the War and
subsequently used the Hawaiian commanders as scapegoats to shift public
attention away from the activities of the Administration.

6 posted on 11/28/2004 10:09:51 AM PST by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: SandRat
...and marvel at the 1,200 foot-long anchor...

That's one hell of an anchor!

I went on MISSOURI a few times when I was a kid. It was mothballed in Bremerton, WA at the time. Never went aboard after it was reactivated in the '80s, but I did get on NEW JERSEY a few times. Pretty impressive. It's good to see MISSOURI's being well taken care of.

7 posted on 11/28/2004 10:52:15 AM PST by GATOR NAVY
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To: SandRat

"Touring the 'Mighty Mo' (Pearl Harbor Day coming up)"

SandRat,
Thanks for the post.
Even if you're "killin' me" as I'm a "graduate of the Tripler Army Hospital
baby-factory...but haven't been in Hawaii since about age 6 months!


8 posted on 11/28/2004 10:54:08 AM PST by VOA
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To: SandRat

http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/starmedia/49489

link to the photos page...

Heck, if I was some high-powerered politico, I'd rather be rewarded with a
night in the bunks of the Missouri than a night in the Lincoln Bedroom...


9 posted on 11/28/2004 10:56:36 AM PST by VOA
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To: SandRat
1,200 foot-long anchor

Surely that's a typo. An ANCHOR that's four football fields long? The links in the chain to hold that baby would weigh far more than 110 pounds each.

MM

10 posted on 11/28/2004 11:01:10 AM PST by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: SandRat

"Another option for visitors is the Encampment Program, which allows children and
adults to spend the night on board, eating on the mess deck and sleeping in the
minuscule bunks - also known as "coffin racks." The program was suspended after
the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks but recently has been reinstated. "

That'll teach me to "read before posting" (see my dumb-@$$ post #9).
I think the aircraft carrier Hornet in San Francisco area has a similar program.


11 posted on 11/28/2004 11:01:26 AM PST by VOA
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To: SandRat
I was 43 the first time I visited the Arizona Memorial. I also sat a cried - for quite a while. Not just for the men entombed there but for all of the men who sacrificed so much during WWII.

Interestingly, most of the survivors who die now request their ashes be entombed on the ship. It is sacred ground. Tell you son there is no shame in crying there - grown men do it everyday. I am also certain that every mother of a sailor, at rest there, is proud of her son and would not have it any other way.

12 posted on 11/28/2004 11:02:05 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ ("Sure is a nice day for making things right." Boss Spearman. NSDQ, De Opresso Libre)
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To: mad_as_he$$

"Interestingly, most of the survivors who die now request their ashes be entombed on the ship.
It is sacred ground."

It was interesting to see a scuba diver placing packages (of ashes?) inside the hull...
on a documentary/TV report a few years ago.


13 posted on 11/28/2004 12:05:26 PM PST by VOA
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To: VOA

Yes and I believe that they do not touch the ship.


14 posted on 11/28/2004 12:19:42 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ ("Sure is a nice day for making things right." Boss Spearman. NSDQ, De Opresso Libre)
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To: Wolverine
Yep! Just like 9/11 with about the same outcome of intelligence from the investigators and the same posturing for self aggrandizement.
15 posted on 11/28/2004 1:00:02 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: VOA

and you've been absent how long?

Do ya want us to get Gunny RLee after you? Get back there.


16 posted on 11/28/2004 1:03:41 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: VOA
Heck, if I was some high-powerered politico, I'd rather be rewarded with a night in the bunks of the Missouri than a night in the Lincoln Bedroom...

I'd prefer an unanounced meal in the crew's mess with the sailors and marines. The Officers wardroom be damned. Coffee afterwards in the Chiefs mess. Maybe I can even sneak a good cigar to go with the coffee but, only if the smokling lamp is light.

17 posted on 11/28/2004 1:07:45 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: MississippiMan
1,200 foot-long anchor chain and yes each link is 110pounds.
18 posted on 11/28/2004 1:09:58 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat
1,200 foot-long anchor chain and yes each link is 110pounds.

That makes perfect sense, but it's NOT what was said in the excerpt at the top of the thread. Check it.

MM

19 posted on 11/28/2004 1:14:11 PM PST by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

At age 26 he understands completely now but it was so strikking to see this little boy crying and saying to everyone and no one that the men had to get out that their moms needed them. It brought it all home for all in hearing distance that day.

The irony of it is that we settled in Arizona and hence that was our state ship. We get to see the Arizona's Wardroom Silver set and her ships bell anytime we fly out of Phoenix. Rest assured there is a stop coming and going just to look at those and the model of her in the case.


20 posted on 11/28/2004 1:17:03 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: MississippiMan

Did, it was copied exactly from the article. Proof positive the journalist didn't proof read, or use grammer check.


21 posted on 11/28/2004 1:20:06 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat
:-) Been to Sky Harbor many times myself on business. It is a great story about your son. I have book marked it for my friends. Remember Pearl Harbor!
22 posted on 11/28/2004 3:52:23 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ ("Sure is a nice day for making things right." Boss Spearman. NSDQ, De Opresso Libre)
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To: GATOR NAVY
Any chance you, or anyone who might be competent in these affairs, could post a picture of one of the Iowa Class ships firing off a broadside?

In my inexpert opinion, even in the 21st Century nothing would terrorize a terrorist nation so much as a couple of the Iowas sitting a few miles offshore limbering up their main guns.

23 posted on 11/28/2004 3:58:02 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky
Your wish is my command ;-)


24 posted on 11/28/2004 4:47:07 PM PST by GATOR NAVY
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To: GATOR NAVY

Awesome Chief, just awesome.


25 posted on 11/28/2004 6:40:50 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky
When my Dad was alive, I used to call him every Dec. 7th and ask him, "By the way, it's Pearl Harbor Day. What were you doing on Dec. 7, 1941?"

And he always enjoyed reminiscing how he was a student at Penn State, that he and his engineering buddies were studying when the news came over the radio. "We knew we were going to war," he'd say solemnly.

26 posted on 11/28/2004 6:47:47 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie.)
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To: Ciexyz

With some luck, the war into which the US was unexpectedly thrust on September 11, 2001, will end in the same unconditional victory as did the war into which we were thrust on December 7, 1941. (At least your, and my, father's generation knew that they were in a war)


27 posted on 11/28/2004 6:56:28 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky
At least your, and my father's generation, knew that they were in a war.

Yes, they were smart enough to realize that the survival of their way of life was at stake. They also had a strong sense of right and wrong (no situational ethics like today, no MSM trying to sabotage the war effort), and they were determined to right the wrong done on Dec.7,1941. Which meant that the perps had to pay with total defeat.

28 posted on 11/28/2004 7:01:44 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie.)
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