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Dump Your Dollars NOW!
CHRONWATCH.COM ^ | NOVEMBER 29, 2004 | NOEL SHEPPARD

Posted on 11/28/2004 10:45:30 PM PST by CHARLITE

Have you checked the value of your stocks or your real estate lately? In euros? Or British pounds? Has it all sadly disappeared seemingly while you were sleeping?

Looking at the dire prognostications of currency analysts on television or in the newspapers lately would lead one to believe that all of your assets are evaporating like raindrops on a Phoenix sidewalk in August. Given the depth of the dread, I’m surprised that some of the Wall Street brokerage firms haven’t taken advantage of all this gloom by selling a currency-hedging strategy to consumers that would prevent the disappearance of home equity as a result of the declining dollar. Hmmm.

Want to hear the truth? Well, as measured by a basket of currencies all combined into one index for futures that change hands on the New York Board of Trade, the dollar is actually at the same level that it was in 1995. Did the end of the world occur in 1996 and I slept through it?

As usual, the media are confusing Americans by focusing too much attention on excessively negative minutia while ignoring the much larger, global perspective. Yes, the dollar is indeed at all-time lows against the euro, but as the euro didn’t exist in 1995 at the dollar’s last low, we don’t specifically know what it might have been worth back then without extrapolating. Absent such a calculation, as the dollar was weaker against most currencies in 1995 than it was in 1999 when the euro was first introduced at $1.18, it is safe to assume that it would have been worth more than that if it had existed in 1995, and potentially even more than its current $1.32. As a result, today’s exchange rate is by no means a cataclysmic valuation. Feel better?

Something else to assuage your fears with regard to currencies is the possibility that as our stock market was experiencing its bubble phase in the 90’s, so was the dollar. If one were to take a look at an S&P 500 chart, you would notice that as our stock market rallied from 1996 through 2000, it did so practically in tandem with the upward move in our dollar. Why? Well, as stocks were appreciating, foreigners were buying them, and, to do so, they first had to buy our dollar. As such, one could make the case that the dollar was just as overvalued in 2000 as stocks were.

Of course, the dollar didn’t immediately collapse with stock prices in 2000 mainly because moneys seemed to initially just transfer out of equities and into U.S. Treasury securities keeping the dollar strong through 2001. However, when our economy didn’t begin to truly expand in 2002 as many had expected, a bear market in dollars started that hasn’t ended yet. Likely, this was also precipitated by continued Fed easing that exacerbated the differences between American interest rates and those across the globe. As a result, it is quite likely that until our interest rates head significantly higher, our currency will probably remain very soft.

Let’s look at this more precisely against one high-profile currency just to understand how much interest rates might be at the heart of the problem. Before our recession began in 2001, the Federal Funds rate--the rate the Fed charges for overnight loans to American banks--was 6.5%. By contrast, the corresponding rate offered by the Bank of England was 6.0%. As a result, at that time, an investor could have received a half a percentage point more in interest in America than in Great Britain. However, as our economies declined, and our central banks lowered interest rates to try to spur growth, our funds rate dropped to 1%, while England’s declined only to 3.50%.

What this means is that our bonds and bank savings rates went from paying more than those of England’s in the year 2000 to 2.5% less by 2003. Obviously, this represents a huge motivation for international investors to move money out of America into Great Britain. In doing so, they first had to convert dollars into pounds. Now, consider all of the banks, mutual funds, and pension funds all around the world that wanted to get that higher rate, and you can imagine that a lot of dollars have been exchanged for British pounds in the past three years. Unfortunately, this problem still exists today, for as we have raised our rates to 2%, the Bank of England actually has now widened this gap, as they are currently paying 4.75%. Make sense?

Taking this a step further, in China the interest rate differential is even greater, as the country's central bank’s key lending rate is currently 5.58%--a full 3.5% higher than ours--thereby enticing money flows into that country. This brings up another issue that the press seems to not want to discuss that is likely exacerbating the dollar weakness across the globe; the Chinese currency, the yuan, does not float. It is instead pegged to an exchange rate against our dollar first established in 1994. This archaic and unfavorable ''peg'' exaggerates the decline that our dollar is having against the euro and most countries that trade with China. This is one of the reasons that U.S. trade representatives have been begging the Chinese government to allow the yuan to float like other currencies. It is widely speculated that such a move would not only act to reduce our current trade deficit with China by increasing the relative cost of China's products versus ours, but might act to abate some of the current upside pressures on other currencies against the dollar.

Of course, this begs the question: Is a weak dollar a bad thing for our economy or our nation? In reality, the answer is NO. One of the most hypocritical aspects of the current carping about today’s dollar weakness is that in the same breath, people are complaining about our trade deficit and how large it is. Well, what’s the best solution for our trade deficit? A weak dollar. Why? Because a weaker dollar makes our products cheaper around the world, and foreign products more expensive here. As a result, the weaker our dollar gets, the more goods and services we will sell overseas (hence, increasing exports), and the less foreign products Americans will purchase (hence, decreasing imports). Barring the implementation of trade quotas or tariffs--which America as a free trade advocate should NEVER consider--the best way for us to deal with our growing trade deficit is through a soft dollar policy.

Another unbelievably hypocritical assertion being floated this week was that foreign central banks were going to stop purchasing our Treasury paper because of the declining dollar. Now, I must say that I have been hearing such prognostications for more than twenty years, and it has never come to fruition. In the 1980’s, it was Japan and Germany that were going to stop buying our treasuries. Never happened. Last week, it was China. Of course, since China's currency is pegged to ours, the Chinese are forced to buy dollars as their money supply grows much like a central bank whose currency is tied to gold must keep gold on hand. Additionally, any country that is concerned with preserving its trade surplus with the United States would be cutting its own throat by allowing the dollar to further devalue. As such, this dollar boycott speculation is hogwash.

Furthermore, if central banks around the world were beginning to cut back on purchasing our Treasury bonds and notes, wouldn’t we see a decline in the price of these debt instruments? Looking at a chart of the interest rate paid by a ten-year T-note, one will see that this percentage is virtually the same as it was when this most recent decline in our dollar began at the end of August thereby suggesting no serious reductions in demand for these investments.

So, why is the media focusing so much attention on our current dollar situation, and doing so in a way that suggests a dire condition? Well, in response to Mr. Bush’s huge victory at the polls, the left and the press who supports them have now changed their modus operandi from defeating him to blocking his pending legislative proposals--Social Security reform and tax simplification.

To be sure, nothing offends the left more than tax cuts and the possibility of American employees actually being able to direct their own Social Security contributions. Given this, much as the leftists and the mainstream media for the past 24 months depicted all economic news in as negative a fashion as possible to try to persuade voters to support Senator Kerry, their goal now is to thwart the president’s agenda by suggesting that his initiatives will have dire economic consequences. A NY Times article asserting that Bush’s Social Security plan will dramatically expand the federal deficit should give you an idea of what they have in store for us.

How is this at all related to the dollar decline? Well, although our federal deficit is certainly a component of the dollar’s decrease in value, it would be naïve to suggest that this is the sole precipitant. However, I fervently avow that in the coming months, we will continue to be barraged with such deficit-to-dollar proclamations. The purpose? To scare the population into believing that not only is a soft dollar a terrible thing for them, but that the president’s Social Security and/or tax simplification proposals will further exacerbate the deficits which, in turn, will yield continued dollar declines thereby hurting the American economy and its citizens personally.

About the Writer: Noel Sheppard is a business owner, economist, and writer residing in Northern California. Noel receives e-mail at slep@danvillebc.com


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bankofengland; britishpound; chineseyuan; currency; dollardecline; euros; exchangerates; securities; softdollar; sp500chart; stockmarket; usdollars; ustreasury

1 posted on 11/28/2004 10:45:31 PM PST by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE

Dump 'em in my wallet.


2 posted on 11/28/2004 10:46:48 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (You can turn your head away from the Berg video and still hear Al Queda's calls to prayer.n)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

NO!! send them to me


3 posted on 11/28/2004 10:48:04 PM PST by bigj00
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To: bigj00

Sorry you're too late.


4 posted on 11/28/2004 10:48:54 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (You can turn your head away from the Berg video and still hear Al Queda's calls to prayer.n)
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To: CHARLITE
Only a DUmmy would dump the dollar. The rule is to BUY low and SELL high. Buy dollars and support America! Selling now would be a loss for the investor holding US paper notes. I say look long term and hold on to the dollar and wait for the Euro to fall before thinking of selling out the dollar.
5 posted on 11/28/2004 10:51:44 PM PST by Pro-Bush (Fallujah will be a parking lot soon!)
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To: Remember_Salamis

Ping!


6 posted on 11/28/2004 10:52:21 PM PST by Moose Dung (Soiling the Shoes of the Lunatic Left)
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To: CHARLITE
Why shouldn't the value of the dollar drop? We're buying too many imports, we're selling too few exports. The debt is huge. So, yeah, the dollar is worth less today than it was yesterday, and tomorrow it will be worth less.

Yeah, you can make money playing the currency markets, or even better yet, consider what you're purchasing this holiday season. Buy from small businesses who generally can't afford to bring in huge imports, buy American where you can, and you never know, that dollar might actually start to go up...

Or maybe it'll just keep dropping like a rock, because no one will care about the future economic health of the country as a whole on a personal level, and they'll call on the government to do their job.
7 posted on 11/28/2004 10:52:26 PM PST by kingu (Which would you bet on? Iraq and Afghanistan? Or Haiti and Kosovo?)
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To: CHARLITE
Panic! Now!
8 posted on 11/28/2004 10:54:32 PM PST by Petronski (One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble, not much between despair and ecstasy.)
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To: CHARLITE

What a joke, this guy is totally clueles.


9 posted on 11/28/2004 10:55:53 PM PST by jpsb
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To: CHARLITE
"Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor, or caprice?" George Washington FAREWELL ADDRESS (1796)
10 posted on 11/28/2004 10:55:58 PM PST by endthematrix ("Hey, it didn't hit a bone, Colonel. Do you think I can go back?" - U.S. Marine)
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To: Petronski

LOL!

I can always count on you, my friend, to hit the nail on the head with biting sarcasm.


11 posted on 11/28/2004 10:56:39 PM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: Pro-Bush

It's pretty much a fait-accomplit that the USD will continue to drop in value in comparison to commodities, especially gold. As the Chinese being to decouple the USD from the Yuan, this process should accelerate.

However, the USD's valuation in relation to other currencies such as the CAD and Euro may not decrease as rapidly, as other economies attempt to manipulate their respective fiat currencies.


12 posted on 11/28/2004 10:57:36 PM PST by overtaxed_canadian
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To: broadsword

thx


13 posted on 11/28/2004 10:57:44 PM PST by Petronski (One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble, not much between despair and ecstasy.)
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To: jpsb
"Is a weak dollar a bad thing for our economy or our nation? In reality, the answer is NO. "

No. He's right on.

14 posted on 11/28/2004 10:57:56 PM PST by endthematrix ("Hey, it didn't hit a bone, Colonel. Do you think I can go back?" - U.S. Marine)
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To: CHARLITE

15 posted on 11/28/2004 10:59:26 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: CHARLITE

That advice MIGHT make a small modicum of sense IF you are a currency trader or do alot of international travel/business.

A weak dollar is only critical when you MUST buy imported items. There is nothing we NEED which MUST be bought overseas.

OK, I hear the snide out there saying "Oh yeah? What about OIL, smart@ss!"

We have plenty of untapped oil here in the USA. The reason we buy it overseas is that it is cheaper to buy it there and ship it here than it is to pump it up from our own soil. That is due to union and environmental blackmailers that jack up the costs.

When the dollar falls far enough, it will be once again cheaper to drill/pump it here, with a corresponding rise in employment and the general economy.


16 posted on 11/28/2004 11:01:41 PM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: jpsb

I'm pretty much ignorant when it comes to global economics. What Sheppard said seemed to make sense to me, but now you made me think maybe I'm missing something. Could you fill me in on why you think he's clueless?


17 posted on 11/28/2004 11:05:18 PM PST by ironmaidenPR2717 (Four out of three people have trouble with fractions.)
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To: Arkinsaw

LOL. A man after my own heart!


18 posted on 11/28/2004 11:05:20 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe (Why is it called a 'pair' of panties when there's only one?)
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To: CHARLITE

Translation: When the banks give it away it loses its value...


19 posted on 11/28/2004 11:05:26 PM PST by DB ()
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To: endthematrix
he has completely missed the point, a weak dollar is not a desease, it is a symptom. At symptom of a ecomony badly out of balance.

I have been thru this to many times on too many threads and it is getting late. Go read any of the many other threads on the dollar or older threads on trade policy. Sorry don't meant to be crude, just tired.

20 posted on 11/28/2004 11:07:13 PM PST by jpsb
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To: CHARLITE
"Dump Your Dollars NOW!"

LOL!...yeah...whatta dip shiite!...yeah...send 'em to me!....LOL

21 posted on 11/28/2004 11:07:57 PM PST by Khurkris (That sound you hear coming from over the horizon...thats me laughing.)
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To: CHARLITE

Never come backs!
1:Economy 2:stock market 3:oil prices 4:jobs 5:Dollar
When will the doomsday people ever learn. This is America
we always come back.


22 posted on 11/28/2004 11:13:43 PM PST by Brimack34
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To: clee1

You are so exactly correctomundo!!!


23 posted on 11/28/2004 11:16:58 PM PST by SierraWasp (Ronald Reagan was an exceptional "celebrity!" Jesse Ventura & Arnold Schwarzenrenegger are NOT!!!)
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To: jpsb

Well, on missing the point I certainly have to agree. I held my nose while reading and if the debate is framed right, his economics are correct. But what we need is less economicspeak babble injected into to the debate of healing our national fiscal problems. I just had the drift you and others read the title and failed to read the whole article.


24 posted on 11/28/2004 11:19:13 PM PST by endthematrix ("Hey, it didn't hit a bone, Colonel. Do you think I can go back?" - U.S. Marine)
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To: ironmaidenPR2717
I will just deal with one of many things presented as fact that might not and in the past have not been true. He claims that a falling dollar will reduce our trade deficit. Why? When the yen went from 300 to 100 the deficit with Japan did not get smaller, IT GOT BIGGER, what makes him think this time it will be different?

Sure it makes common sense. our goods are cheaper therefore we will sell more, but common sense is what tells you the world is flat. It does not always work out that way.

Lowering your prices does not ALWAYS create demand. Most of our trading partners have barriers to our goods, long inspections, tariffs, content laws none of that is going to change and if the US goods start to take market share, say in China, then China will erect new barriers to protect it's market.

See, and that is just one of many falsehoods in this article. I will hand for a few to deal with flamers.

25 posted on 11/28/2004 11:19:53 PM PST by jpsb
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To: SierraWasp

I lived in Louisiana in the late 70's and early 80's.

I clearly remember the State economy falling apart due to their dependence on tax revenue from the oil & gas industry.

Confiscatory taxation, outrageous wages for unionized employees, and huge expenses caused by environmental regulations and eco-wacko lawsuits is what killed domestic petroleum production; not lack of domestic supplies.


26 posted on 11/28/2004 11:24:43 PM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: jpsb

Thanks for the reply.


27 posted on 11/28/2004 11:29:54 PM PST by ironmaidenPR2717 (Four out of three people have trouble with fractions.)
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To: ironmaidenPR2717
Basically it takes two to trade, the USA has open it market to just about the entire world, but the rest of the world has not opened their market to us. That is why we have a huge trade deficit and a falling dollar does nothing about the real problem. Protected markets overseas.

The ONLY way to open markets is by CLOSING your market and then sitting down and working out some kind of a deal. But the "grown ups" in DC don't get it, even starring eyeball to eyeball with a trillion dollar deficit they still don't get it and they never will. They are the talaban of free trade and they are taking us all on a suicide mission.

28 posted on 11/28/2004 11:39:47 PM PST by jpsb
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To: kingu

I always always look to see where something is made. We are still the largest manufacturing country in the world. Look and find the US stuff. its always higher quality. 3 things we make better than anyone -guitars,tools and aircraft.


29 posted on 11/29/2004 12:26:40 AM PST by wildcatf4f3 (out of the sun)
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To: All

Why does everyone worry so much about the falling dollar? Doesnt this make our products overseas cheaper and there products more expensive? Wouldnt this help our econ?


30 posted on 11/29/2004 12:26:56 AM PST by Next_Time_NJ
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To: CHARLITE; Congressman Billybob
It all started when they changed our currency..

And if THAT wasn't enough, now they are changing it yet again. Only this time, it is starting to look more Canadian..

One thing. The new $20.00 is GREEN. Remember Monopoly Money? The $20s were green, too.

But because the Treasury didn't pay attention, the new $50.00 bills aren't blue.

THEY SHOULD BE BLUE. But they're not....

And now, the dollar is weak. Why? They made the $50.00 PINK.

PINK

Um, the $5.00 bills in Monopoly were pink.

THIS EXPLAINS IT ALL.

Sooner or later, all your bills will be worth 1/10 of their alleged value..

31 posted on 11/29/2004 12:42:11 AM PST by Experiment 6-2-6 (Meega, Nala Kweesta! Give A+BERT (snakeoil) his name back! Help him, JimRob, you're his only hope...)
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To: jpsb

Our markets are open to the world because we are smart enough to know that when you erect trade barriers you're shooting yourself in the foot.

Take steel for example, when Bush put up tariffs on foreign steel he protected the domestic steel industry sure, but he also screwed over every other company in the US that uses steel to make its products.


32 posted on 11/29/2004 1:54:20 AM PST by Dozer3
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To: Dozer3

He also screwed over all the consumers who buy anything that is made with steel.


33 posted on 11/29/2004 1:55:37 AM PST by Dozer3
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To: Dozer3

yea, that is the downside of protecting your market, you pay more until your domestic production is a good as foriegn production. Some time due to circumstance beyond your control you can never match the imports. Oh Well. Ain't no prefect man made system yet.


34 posted on 11/29/2004 2:01:04 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Pro-Bush

Wait for the Euro to fall? What is worth importing from Europe? Wait for the Euro to completley fail... I think that is what you were looking for.


35 posted on 11/29/2004 2:17:26 AM PST by Porterville (It's time to get mine)
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To: jpsb
All else being equal, a foreign currency appreciation in relation to the domestic currency should reduce demand for the foreign country's products and thereby lower the trade deficit of the domestic country with that specific foreign country. But things are not equal in the U.S./Japan trade relationship. There are three things that I can think of that distort the pattern:
Capital flows - Japanese have not ceased buying our assets. Their appetite for having claims on our stuff seems to be about the same as our appetite for consuming theirs.
Lack of demand - The Japanese are not fond of American products. To be more accurate, their government and their domestic businesses do not like to deal with foreign product competition. There are very high barriers to entry in that market caused by non-transparent government subsidies and business collusion. I think that the U.S. could bring a case to the WTO and win fairly easily but why rock the boat when the Japanese have been financing our investment...we win in that arrangement and they, well they don't make out nearly as well as we do; perhaps you've noticed that their economy has been fairly crappy during the last decade?
Import pricing - Japanese goods are predominately from decreasing cost industries. A decreasing cost industry is one where the industry's average costs decrease as more firms enter the market - all firms enjoy the decrease costs but then also have to compete against the new entrants by slashing prices to where marginal revenue equals marginal total costs. Since marginal total costs are falling (because it's a decreasing cost industry) prices fall to match. It's this dynamic (or fluke) that has allowed Japan's goods to remain as cheap as they've been even though our currency has been depreciating against their's.
36 posted on 11/29/2004 3:12:45 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (Only to a Buchananite could one be a capitalism-extolling Marxist)
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To: CHARLITE
We have been exporting our inflation for the past 8 years and foreigners are getting tired of buying it.

Get ready for hyperinflation especially after the Fed starts monetizing our debt to prevent a collapse which will only accelerate the process.

We are going the way of Argentina.

The good news is that real estate will get real cheap and the smart money will have the capital to take advantage but will be excoriated in the MSM.


BUMP

37 posted on 11/29/2004 3:28:37 AM PST by tm22721 (In fac they)
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To: Pro-Bush
Only a DUmmy would dump the dollar. The rule is to BUY low and SELL high.

They don't quite grasp that concept. And thank goodness for it. When the market is down I buy more, when the market is up I buy a little less.

These people who buy high and sell low are providing me with a nice nest egg.

38 posted on 11/29/2004 3:32:39 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (The future is all around us, waiting in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation.)
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To: CHARLITE
Actual result....

The pretentious auto Peugeot becomes very expensive for Americans buyers of French goods...

Hehehehehehehehehehehehe......this is just too good.... I imagine President Bush is losing sleep over the plight of Peugeot....and other goods from France.

39 posted on 11/29/2004 3:45:55 AM PST by cbkaty
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To: clee1
The 4 items that you mentioned as killing the Oil&gas business in US are the same reasons we are losing so much of our manufacturing sector. Our operations are actually some of the best in world-class status but because of the 4 anti-competition horsemen our domestic manufacturers start with a 25% cost disadvantage vs. the competition.
40 posted on 11/29/2004 4:05:39 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

From everything I have read, the EU does not appear to be stable. No, we are not buying stuff there, who would want to? Because the Euro is new, it has a "wow, new stuff" value. Because it represents several countries, the misperception is that it is strong.
The Euro dilutes the currency market far more than the currencies it replaced.
That being said, I do not see the EU as a stable organization. It appears to be led by the most corrupt groups, bound to implode. Obviously the USD is taking a hit for the UN OFF scandal. It's only temporary, as always.
As for Japan, we just gotta work on our competetiveness. We have some of the best and brightest in every industry, I do not understand why we do not use that to produce higher quality stuff without labor issues.
I cannot see the implications of Putin in this picture yet, but he's a'comin'.


41 posted on 11/29/2004 4:06:59 AM PST by momincombatboots (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: overtaxed_canadian
Weak dollar = more trade = stronger country

losers are those saving assets in paper fiat.

or the new unaccounted "paper gold"

country would not die with the dollar.

provisions are already in place for its eventual replacement.

GLTA
42 posted on 11/29/2004 4:25:42 AM PST by Therapsid (Every other weekend however i dilligently support dangerous fantasy)
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To: All
I've been reading a bunch of these weak dollar threads, I do not see it as a catastrophic event. I do however see some pain involved if you're not properly invested/hedged.

If there is inflation in the US, those who are up to their necks in debt get to pay it off with cheap dollars. This could be used to an advantage if the dept was incurred to buy investments.

On the other hand, if there is deflation, those who borrow now to buy over priced real estate or other goods, or even refinance at the higher value and invest the proceeds, will end up paying a high price.

The US dollar has already fallen against the Euro and other similar currencies, it seems like the wrong time to buy Euros.

Gold has already appreciated. It could go up more, it could also be at a high.

My question is what to do? Keep money in cash, gold, real estate, stock market?

One thought I had was to hedge using the Yuan, the peg to the dollar has to break at some point.

All thoughts appreciated.
43 posted on 11/29/2004 6:36:28 AM PST by nh1
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To: iopscusa

Very true, and very sad.


44 posted on 11/29/2004 6:45:43 AM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: nh1

"Keep money in cash, gold, real estate, stock market?"

have to have at least 6 months of cash on hand.

any where from 10% to 25% gold. low end numi is my suggestion.

land if its a fixed rate.

a little stock for your excitement.


45 posted on 11/29/2004 7:53:02 AM PST by Fyscat
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To: momincombatboots

My post is gone...
It said,

Weak dollar = trade = strong country

The country does not die with the dollar.

Provisions are alreaddy in place for allternate currency.

paper gold without accounting is just another fiat.

hmmm wonder why the first post was removed?

no profanity,no racism, no violence,no personal attacks...


46 posted on 11/29/2004 7:59:41 AM PST by Therapsid (Every other weekend however i dilligently support dangerous fantasy)
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