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Bill Clinton wasn't perfect, but he was exceptional
Tallahassee Democrat ^ | Nov 29, 2004 | Abe Schestopol

Posted on 11/29/2004 5:40:37 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

It's surprising that four years after President Clinton left office, the Tallahassee Democrat would devote a full, half-page of its precious editorial space to a hate-Clinton column.

The paper didn't give the assignment to Bubba Berlow or to Bubba Cotterrell. It gave the assignment to a carpetbagger from the New York Daily News, Michael Goodwin.

Goodwin thinks he is being cute, catering to us Tallahassee hayseeds by calling ex-President Clinton "Bubba."

The occasion that gives rise to the column is recent dedication of the William Jefferson Clinton Presidential Library and Museum in Little Rock, our sister capital in the Arkansas, the state that served as a springboard that catapulted Clinton to the presidency.

It is this feat that sticks in Goodwin's craw and keeps him awake nights.

Imagine, a southern governor who, while serving as president of the United States, gave us and Wall Street the best eight years in our nation's history, and did it without resorting to a made-in-the-White House war.

Instead of using this festive occasion to dwell upon Clinton's accomplishments, as did President Bush generously and eloquently in his remarks at the dedication, Goodwin uses the occasion to remind us of a woman named Monica.

He doesn't mention Newt Gingrich, Prince Charles or a certain man from Abilene. Whom is he trying to kid? Their dalliances are writ large in history, and the names of their co-dalliants are well known. When was the last time you read about any of those dalliances in an op-ed piece?

What is so bilious, in 2004, about a character flaw in Bill Clinton, who served as President of the United States from 1993 to 2001? Has Goodwin never seen "The Crucible" or read "The Scarlet Letter" or any of William (Bubba) Shakespeare's great plays?

Why is Goodwin not writing about having a self-proclaimed alcoholic in the White House, one who would mislead the nation into war, costing, so far, more than 1,000 precious lives of American servicemen? Are those 1,000 lives less important than one Monica?

Is a Connecticut aristocrat, posing as a two-gun John Wayne from Texas, less of a miscreant than a Bubba from Little Rock? Yes, a Bubba with warts as well as greatness.

It was Bill Clinton's humanity that made him a great president. Did that human being have flaws? Of course he did. Trying to humiliate him by calling him, "Bubba" only shows the writer's ignorance. In true Bubba country, "Bubba" is a term of endearment. It implies a bond between the Bubba and the people.

That's why Goodwin is frightened to death of "Bubba Hillary." And that's what keeps the hate-Clinton columns coming.


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1 posted on 11/29/2004 5:40:37 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Wot, no barf alert?


2 posted on 11/29/2004 5:43:04 AM PST by jocon307 (Jihad is world wide. Jihad is serious business. We ignore global jihad at our peril.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Shouldn't Abe Baby be demanding a recount somewhere? Anywhere?

Michael M. Bates: My Side of the Swamp

3 posted on 11/29/2004 5:43:25 AM PST by Mike Bates (If you've been very, very good, Santa may leave a copy of my book under your tree.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Only in our beloved mullet wrapper.


4 posted on 11/29/2004 5:43:34 AM PST by CSXT
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Funniest thing I've read all year!


5 posted on 11/29/2004 5:43:47 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

So Newt's extramarital affair justifies Clinton having tawdry sex with an intern less than half his age in this nation's most esteemed office?
Oh, I see.


6 posted on 11/29/2004 5:45:38 AM PST by somemoreequalthanothers
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
WJC was a good speaker and politician, I'll give him that, but, he was still a lousy president. He was not a leader. Being likable and popular does not make one a good leader. Unfortunately, Bill was more concerned about being liked than respected.
7 posted on 11/29/2004 5:47:22 AM PST by abc1
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
...or a certain man from Abilene.

Who's this supposed to be?

...and the names of their co-dalliants are well known.

Same question.

8 posted on 11/29/2004 5:48:20 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Bill Clinton was an exceptional politician. He was and is the master of double-speak, governing by the opinion poll, and straddling the middle line. While he was doing these, he always managed to do what was best for himself as well. No politician can come close to his ability.

I don't like his politics or his wife, but he was slick.


9 posted on 11/29/2004 5:48:42 AM PST by CriticalJ
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Abe is a fantasy novel writer in his spare time.


10 posted on 11/29/2004 5:49:37 AM PST by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Agreed...an exceptionally talented liar.


11 posted on 11/29/2004 5:50:10 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
It was Bill Clinton's humanity that made him a great president. Did that human being have flaws? Of course he did.

Bubba's flaws far outweighed his attributes. If you don't believe that just ask Gennifer Flowers Monica Lewinsky, Cristy Zercher, Elizabeth Ward Gracen, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Nancy Hernreich, Susan McDougal, Debra Schiff, Sherrie Densuk, Dolly Kyle Browning, Beth Coulson, Marilyn Jo Jenkins, Juanita Broaddrick, Marsha Scott, Bobbie Ann Williams, Sally Perdue , Eileen Wellstone, Sandra Allen James, and an un-named stewardess aboard Air Force One what they think of the pervert!!!!

12 posted on 11/29/2004 5:50:20 AM PST by eeriegeno
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To: facedown
"...or a certain man from Abilene."

He is possibly referring to rumors of an affair by Eisenhower with his British driver.

13 posted on 11/29/2004 5:50:27 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

The guy that wrote this has got it bad, the Bubba loving disease. Bubba was a puke. still is.


14 posted on 11/29/2004 5:51:19 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
If this is the best the Dims can do to immortalize their king, the world is a better place.

How many column inches does it take to say that William Jefferson Clinton was a morally bankrupt pathological liar.

And that is on a good day.....
15 posted on 11/29/2004 5:52:54 AM PST by Dalite (If PRO is the opposite of CON, What is the opposite of PROgress? Go Figure....)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
What is so bilious, in 2004, about a character flaw in Bill Clinton

Ah, a character flaw now, is it?

16 posted on 11/29/2004 5:53:00 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Imagine, a southern governor who, while serving as president of the United States, gave us and Wall Street the best eight years in our nation's history....

Sorry Abe, but the country was in RECESSION when Clinton left office, and WALL STREET gave up all the gains derived from the good years when the tech bubble burst. Remember the attack on Microsoft?

The economy bequeathed to Clinton by Bush 41, the spending discipline placed upon him by the 94 Republican congress (remember welfare reform?) is what created the good years, and now THOSE YEARS are being eclipsed by the present economy, despite billions of losses due the 9-11 attack and the cost of defending ourselves. This is the history that will be written.

17 posted on 11/29/2004 5:53:35 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Imagine, a southern governor who, while serving as president of the United States, gave us and Wall Street the best eight years in our nation's history....

Sorry Abe, but the country was in RECESSION when Clinton left office, and WALL STREET gave up all the gains derived from the good years when the tech bubble burst. Remember the attack on Microsoft?

The economy bequeathed to Clinton by Bush 41, the spending discipline placed upon him by the 94 Republican congress (remember welfare reform?) is what created the good years, and now THOSE YEARS are being eclipsed by the present economy, despite billions of losses due the 9-11 attack and the cost of defending ourselves. This is the history that will be written.

18 posted on 11/29/2004 5:54:08 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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To: Jeff Head
an exceptionally talented liar

Correction....

an exceptionally talented CONVICTED liar

19 posted on 11/29/2004 5:54:10 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Attempting to diminish President Bush in order to elevate the Clintoon is pathetic.

Style and organization of Abe's writing is a bundle of mixed metaphors and immaturity.

Does Mr. Abe Cesspool(sic) get paid for this scribble?



20 posted on 11/29/2004 5:54:26 AM PST by sodpoodle (sparrows are underrated)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I would agree with the title. But I would probably mean something different by it than the adoring author did.

Dan

21 posted on 11/29/2004 5:56:45 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: CriticalJ
He was and is the master of double-speak...

He also perfected the "clenched-jaw lip-bite" complete with slightly misty eyes.

I could feel the bile rise whenever he did that bit.

22 posted on 11/29/2004 5:59:27 AM PST by Recovering Hermit
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

This thread should let us all know that anything goes for the rats when they seize power. You can lie, steal,cheat, give secrets to the Chinese, pardon drug dealers when you leave, anything at all is o.k. in the name of rat power, even rewriting history. Read this and know your enemy.


23 posted on 11/29/2004 6:00:53 AM PST by keysguy (Trust the media as far as you can throw them)
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To: Bahbah

Which have been thoroughly debunked.


24 posted on 11/29/2004 6:02:24 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I always have to think these defenders of the Clinton "character" are thinking to themselves, "Gee, if Bill got away with THAT, what I did doesn't seem so bad!"


25 posted on 11/29/2004 6:02:49 AM PST by Grendel9
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
"Which have been thoroughly debunked."

Yes. I should have added that. Thanks.

26 posted on 11/29/2004 6:03:57 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: Recovering Hermit

Who was it that said Bill Clinton is such an effective phony that he could cry out of one eye?


27 posted on 11/29/2004 6:04:21 AM PST by Alberta's Child (If whiskey was his mistress, his true love was the West . . .)
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To: Jeff Head
Agreed...an exceptionally talented liar.Who did very little as President.
28 posted on 11/29/2004 6:05:33 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Recovering Hermit

He was and is the master of double-speak...

He also perfected the "clenched-jaw lip-bite" complete with slightly misty eyes.

I could feel the bile rise whenever he did that bit.

He was the total package when it came to working the public over. Thinking back on it though, he wouldn't have made it into office if Ross Perot would have kept out of the whole affair.


29 posted on 11/29/2004 6:06:11 AM PST by CriticalJ
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To: AppyPappy

He did a lot to hurt this country...and lied about it all along...and is still lying about iy.


30 posted on 11/29/2004 6:06:31 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Source:
The American-Partisan

Bill Clinton Opens a Liar's Library

31 posted on 11/29/2004 6:07:45 AM PST by NWO Slave
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To: CriticalJ
I have concluded that the success of the clinton presidency is primarly a factor of the positive reporting that the MSM constantly served up to him. There was very little that could happen during the clintonian 90s that the Media didnt fawn positive reporting upon.

This positive reporting served to promote the internet speculative market 'bubble', and it served to disguise the danger lurking as americans endured multiple unanswered attacks on US Soil and against interests abroad. Not to mention that the clintonistas deployed troops into more countries than any president in previous history.

Presidents Bush (41 and 43) and Reagan in contrast succeed in their presidencies IN SPITE of the constant barrage of negative press. If conservative presidents were showered with the fawning and positive media coverage that the liberal presidents INVARIABLY receive, their success would be legendary.

Such as it is, the press has become the greatest power within the Western World, more powerful than the legislature, the executive and judiciary. One would like to ask; by whom has it been elected and to whom is it responsible? — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

32 posted on 11/29/2004 6:07:46 AM PST by Samurai_Jack
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

It's not the politicians. It's the politicians' relationships with the press and how much the press likes the politicians that determines success in these matters. The press loved Klinton so much because he's as greedy and dirty as they are. It was a match made in heaven. Even though they had to report on blue dresses and such, they tried to back it up with "it's personal, so it doesn't affect the presidency".

You can have the best intentions in the world, but if the press doesn't like you, you're screwed (see Bush). Luckily the New Media is finally making some headway.


33 posted on 11/29/2004 6:08:36 AM PST by AmericanChef
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To: Bahbah
He is possibly referring to rumors of an affair by Eisenhower with his British driver.

"Ike Was My Boss, Summersby's 1948 memoir of the war years, makes no mention of her "affair" with Eisenhower, but her 1976 autobiography suggests that it was common knowledge in wartime London and Washington. Persons close to Eisenhower, however, have maintained that the "affair" - which by her own account did not include any sexual act beyond kissing - was strictly a fantasy on her part, and have also questioned the authenticity of the 1976 book, which was not published until after her death."

Kay Summersby

Mighty thin; in fact downright anorexic.

34 posted on 11/29/2004 6:09:18 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Jeff Head
Clinton was an exceptional politician

........though not in accomplishment...but in survival

35 posted on 11/29/2004 6:10:37 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Aww! Abe's got a crush on Billy-Jeff


36 posted on 11/29/2004 6:11:42 AM PST by Oztrich Boy ("Ain't I a stinker?" B Bunny)
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To: Alberta's Child
Who was it that said Bill Clinton is such an effective phony that he could cry out of one eye?

George Will.

37 posted on 11/29/2004 6:12:48 AM PST by Recovering Hermit
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Sorry, Abe. Clinton was not popular or great. He never got more than 50% of the vote, showing that his poll numbers were cooked by those like you in the propaganda press. Without Ross Perot, Clinton would have ended up munching on pork rinds in his car while cruising closed garbage dumps looking for tattered, old Playboy magazines.

Everything about Clinton was cheap. He cheapened the presidency, the Whitehouse and America. When he dies his tombstone epitaph should read: "Cheap Bill. If common sense was measured in pennies, Bill didn't own enough to rub two together."


38 posted on 11/29/2004 6:13:37 AM PST by sergeantdave (More liberal turkeys will be steamed this month than real turkeys baked.)
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To: eeriegeno

Thank you. When this subject is broached I get so tired of those who act like "Monica" was a side issue and not one of a whole string of women and all the attendant implications.


39 posted on 11/29/2004 6:13:57 AM PST by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: jocon307
William (Bubba) Shakespeare's... Cute!

It was Bill Clinton's humanity that made him a great president. Oh, that's the standard now. How convenient.

40 posted on 11/29/2004 6:14:15 AM PST by jimfree (Your heros say something about your view of heroism.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
>>It was Bill Clinton's humanity that made him a great president.<<

I particularly enjoyed his laughing at Ron Brown's funeral and his cheating on the woman he married. However, it does say a lot about what Democrats think a human should be as well explains why they have difficulty in defining when a human begins.

Muleteam1

41 posted on 11/29/2004 6:14:18 AM PST by Muleteam1
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To: Samurai_Jack

hear, hear.


42 posted on 11/29/2004 6:14:31 AM PST by CriticalJ
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Goodwin thinks he is being cute, catering to us Tallahassee hayseeds by calling ex-President Clinton "Bubba."

Abe comes across as stupid in the extreme in this "piece".

LOL

43 posted on 11/29/2004 6:15:04 AM PST by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
a southern governor who, while serving as president of the United States, gave us and Wall Street the best eight years in our nation's history

Well, I seem to remember a LOT of people not agreeing with this assessment of the Clinton years. His first two years in office were highlighted by the immolation of the Branch Davidians in Waco, and millions of gun-owning middle Americans becoming so distrustful of his government that they formed up into "militias", giving Clinton a domestic enemy to persecute while giving Islamic militants a welcoming hand.

The prosperous economy didn't have anything to do with Clinton, but then savvy politicos know that the president usually has very little impact on the economy.

Clinton owed the economic success of his tenure to the Republican 104th congress.

And let's not forget, the great sense of prosperity in the market was based on phony numbers by dishonest executives, and this didn't get caught until Bush took office and went after Enron, leaving us all wondering - were we really as well off as we thought?

So... The question I have to pose to the author of this piece is, aside from being lucky enough to have been president during a boom in the business cycle, can he name even one single Clinton accomplishment?

And easy seduction of female underlings doesn't count, nor does being impeached.

44 posted on 11/29/2004 6:21:43 AM PST by Kenton ("Life is tough, and it's really tough when you're stupid" - Damon Runyon)
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To: facedown

...or a certain man from Abilene.

Bill Burkett

...and the names of their co-dalliants are well known.

Robin Rather & Mary Mapes

(BTW, is Abe's last name pronounced "cess-pool"?)


45 posted on 11/29/2004 6:32:53 AM PST by WestTexasWend
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Like I said in #11...he was exceptional liar. Unfortunately, too often, that is synonymous with an exceptional politician.

We need statesmen.

46 posted on 11/29/2004 6:34:25 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: jocon307
Yes Mr. president, I Do Want to Go There...
When your legacy is 100% sleaze, there is much to "discuss"...
47 posted on 11/29/2004 6:56:54 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: Dalite

The history has been written. The best thing that can be said of Clinton is that he is a self-proclaimed cocksman. He had the opportuniy to grasp at greatness and took the lowest possible road. Ask yourself, "What do I think, what comes to mind when Clinton's name comes up?" Answer..Monica. Stained dresses. Felatio while conversing with a sitting congressman. Like it or not he is a caricature of perversion. I also think of how pathetic it is that he could not set aside his libido for the time of his presidency,give up one centilla of concern for his daughter and wife. Does anyone really think he cared for this country more than his next conquest. No. Clinton, despite all of his protestations and that of his sycophants, his is sliding inexorably to become the butt of a joke. Unfortunately, it is at the expense of America.Yes he is a congenital liar. Yes he is the definition of a sociopath. But mostly, don't you really equate Clinton with a sexual predator who preys on young people, college students, the age of his daughter, and picture in your minds eye Clinton desecrating the oval office and the very voters who put him there? He is, and will always be a disgrace to the office of Presidency.


48 posted on 11/29/2004 7:07:13 AM PST by Texas Songwriter (Texas Songwriter)
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To: Samurai_Jack

"This positive reporting served to promote the internet speculative market 'bubble', and it served to disguise the danger lurking as americans endured multiple unanswered attacks on US Soil and against interests abroad. Not to mention that the clintonistas deployed troops into more countries than any president in previous history".


It were indeed a "FOOLS' PARADISE"


49 posted on 11/29/2004 7:16:35 AM PST by sodpoodle (sparrows are underrated)
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To: eeriegeno

And these are only the ones we know of, but you forgot Barbra Streisand.


50 posted on 11/29/2004 7:22:36 AM PST by Niks
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