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Firefox emerges as credible threat in browser battle
San Jose Mercury News ^ | Mon, Nov. 29, 2004 | Mike Langberg

Posted on 11/29/2004 12:10:39 PM PST by nickcarraway

Firefox is one very hot browser, pardon the pun, and your computer will be safer if you switch to this free software that's heating up the charts.

There's been a seismic shift during November, with Firefox emerging as the first credible competitive threat in a decade to Microsoft's aging Internet Explorer browser for Windows.

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous; US: California
KEYWORDS: browser; firefox; internetexploder; internetexplorer; microsoft; technology
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1 posted on 11/29/2004 12:10:41 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Some folks on FR recommended Firefox to me several months ago. I use it exclusively now, it's great. No popups! :)


2 posted on 11/29/2004 12:12:28 PM PST by Terabitten (Live as a bastion of freedom and democracy in the midst of the heart of darkness.)
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To: nickcarraway

I switched to Mozilla Firefox months ago (on the advise of Freepers, thank you! :) and have been very happy with it!


3 posted on 11/29/2004 12:12:45 PM PST by sneakers
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To: nickcarraway

Thank you, I've been reading about Firefox, need to look into it, and bump!:)


4 posted on 11/29/2004 12:13:37 PM PST by xJones
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To: nickcarraway

Ahhh... good place for questions.

I've been using Firefox (on the recommendation of my 13-year old son!) for quite a while.

One thing puzzles me: What are "extensions," and how are they used?

I'll have a few more questions before this thread falls off, so stand by.

And, Thanks!


5 posted on 11/29/2004 12:14:44 PM PST by Pete'sWife (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: Tragically Single
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6 posted on 11/29/2004 12:15:05 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Flying Circus

ping


7 posted on 11/29/2004 12:15:43 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I would call it a credible option, not a threat. It's the solution for many threats, actually. But Mercury News wrote the headline, so . . .


8 posted on 11/29/2004 12:15:57 PM PST by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has never led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: nickcarraway
It's a great program. My employer has suggested (but does not require) that all employees change to it as it presents far less security concerns than does IE.

With themes that you can add, it looks real perty, too.
9 posted on 11/29/2004 12:16:12 PM PST by BikerNYC
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To: nickcarraway
if your using windows your computer will be safer. IE is way to compromised
10 posted on 11/29/2004 12:17:02 PM PST by ezoeni
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To: Tragically Single
Have you gone over to the free Linux operating system yet? No security problems with the OS, or browser, there!
11 posted on 11/29/2004 12:17:20 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Pete'sWife

Standing by to see what answers you get. I'm a Firefox newbie also.


12 posted on 11/29/2004 12:17:25 PM PST by groanup (Rats are afraid of the light so spread a little sunshine.)
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To: nickcarraway

I switched 1 month ago and would not go back to IE.


13 posted on 11/29/2004 12:17:32 PM PST by Kokojmudd (Today's Liberal is Tomorrow's Prospective Flying Saucer Abductee)
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To: nickcarraway

We use the "Firefox" here. I have a few minor glitches here, but I can live with them. I am so far happy with it.

Tanks & Amtracks FREEPERS!!


14 posted on 11/29/2004 12:17:32 PM PST by TMSuchman (American by birth,rebel by choice, MARINE BY GOD!)
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To: Pete'sWife

An extension is a little plug-in program that allows Foxfire to do more. For example, the Google Bar is an extension. The Foxfire website has many extensions that you can download.


15 posted on 11/29/2004 12:17:33 PM PST by BikerNYC
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To: Pete'sWife

Extensions are like addons or upgrades. They are often written by third parties, so use them at your own risk. But there are some pretty useful ones. One of my favorites was the BugMeNot extension. Whenever you went to a news website that forced you to register or login, all you had to do was right click, select "BugMeNot", and you'd be in. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be supported by the latest Firefox version yet.


16 posted on 11/29/2004 12:17:46 PM PST by Ex-Dem (AFL-CIO - Where organized labor becomes organized crime.)
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To: nickcarraway

Opera is better IMHO, At least 7.1 is. The latest version has regressed.


17 posted on 11/29/2004 12:18:03 PM PST by jack308
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To: nickcarraway

Firefox rocks. I've used exclusively since 0.8. However, I would just as soon it didn't get this publicity. As good as the browser is, its absolute best security feature is that people who want to attack via browser all write for IE because that is what most people use. If Firefox hits a critical mass, the hackers will start to target it.


18 posted on 11/29/2004 12:18:11 PM PST by blanknoone (The two big battles left in the War on Terror are against our State dept and our media.)
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To: nickcarraway

...and, as I always say on these threads:

www.avantbrowser.com

Free
More intuitive (imho)
Fast
More customizable
Better (imho)

Dan


19 posted on 11/29/2004 12:20:45 PM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: nickcarraway

Get Firefox here
20 posted on 11/29/2004 12:21:23 PM PST by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: nickcarraway

I love FireFox.


21 posted on 11/29/2004 12:21:30 PM PST by SeeRushToldU_So (We won !)
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To: nickcarraway
I switched and have not had a single adware or spyware program, or at least one that my removal programs have found.

There is one problem, maybe someone can help me with. Google search is on the Firefox home page and I use it a lot. The problem is I can't get rid of the old search items. On IE I simply highlighted them and deleted which got rid of them permanently. Now I must have a couple of hundred search terms and can't figure out how to get rid of the ones I don't want.

22 posted on 11/29/2004 12:23:05 PM PST by yarddog
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To: nickcarraway
If your computer runs Windows XP, you should also upgrade to Microsoft's free Service Pack 2, despite the very slight risk it will hurt your system.

It didn't hurt my system when I down loaded it, I just couldn't get on line anymore until I completely uninstalled it.

I have netscape7.1 now.

23 posted on 11/29/2004 12:23:07 PM PST by Graybeard58
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To: nickcarraway

I've been using Firefox happily for months..

But yesterday morning, I woke up and all of my bookmarks had vanished. I am a little miffed about that.

It's very odd.. they were completely gone (I searched). I am the only user of the machine and am an experienced user.

I had a lot of links that will take time to find again, if I find them at all.

If it happens again I may have to rethink using FF.

Aside from that it's been a great browser.


24 posted on 11/29/2004 12:23:13 PM PST by Trampled by Lambs ("Making Al Gore regret inventing the internet, one post at a time")
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To: nickcarraway

Confessing how embarrased I am, I'm asking anyway. How do you switch browsers, and do you have to do a lot of stuff to or with your computer to do it. If so, I'd best leave well enough alone.


25 posted on 11/29/2004 12:23:30 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: nickcarraway

FIREFOX TRICK:
Go to tools>
options>
cookies>
view cookies>

Then remove the San Jose MercuryNews cookie.
Then you can read the link to this article without registering.
This trick works for many newspapers.
Your first look at San Jose Mercury News is allowed but when you look again they try to force you to register.


26 posted on 11/29/2004 12:23:58 PM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations)
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To: Pete'sWife
One thing puzzles me: What are "extensions," and how are they used?

Firefox/Mozilla extensions are code that do a lot of useful things--one of my favorites is "Adblock", which lets you selectively block files. You install extensions and then they just work. Head over to https://update.mozilla.org/extensions/?application=firefox and check them out.

27 posted on 11/29/2004 12:24:00 PM PST by jejones
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To: nickcarraway
I use Firefox as a secondary browser (when browsing websites developed on a Mac by someone who doesn't make their javascript cross-compatible).

Internet Explorer still has a MUCH better rendering engine (especially in terms of speed). Firefox is too annoying waiting for the rendering of a page to occur.
28 posted on 11/29/2004 12:24:51 PM PST by politicket
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To: Trampled by Lambs
I woke up and all of my bookmarks had vanished

I had the same experience with netscape 7.1

Also occasionnaly my down load manager will disappear for a few days and then come back.

29 posted on 11/29/2004 12:25:32 PM PST by Graybeard58
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To: nickcarraway

I can heartily recommend Firefox, based on my three weeks of usage.
Seems very cool.


30 posted on 11/29/2004 12:26:09 PM PST by ibbryn (this tag intentionally left blank)
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To: Bahbah

No, all you have to do is install it. Firefox won't do anything to your Internet Explorer, although it may ask you if you want Firefox to be your default browse. You're free to say no. If you find that you don't like it, you can just go back to using Internet Explorer. I should mention that Firefox is capable of importing your settings and bookmarks/favorites from Internet Explorer, so you don't have to waste a lot of time customizing it.


31 posted on 11/29/2004 12:26:12 PM PST by Ex-Dem (AFL-CIO - Where organized labor becomes organized crime.)
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To: SeeRushToldU_So

Firefox rawks the b0>< :D


32 posted on 11/29/2004 12:26:13 PM PST by mbennett203 (To re-elect Bush, dominate congress and to hear the lamentations of the Democrats!)
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To: xJones
Here's the official web page. I love the pop-up controls and defense against spyware.

http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
33 posted on 11/29/2004 12:27:24 PM PST by BJClinton (Honk if you love peace and quiet.)
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To: nickcarraway

Nick, I'm adding myself to the list of satisfied Foxfire users. I am grateful to the Freeper who put me onto it many months ago.

Also, you have a cool FR page. I am a fan of La Senora too.


34 posted on 11/29/2004 12:27:46 PM PST by PA Lurker
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To: zip

ping


35 posted on 11/29/2004 12:28:00 PM PST by Mrs Zip
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To: yarddog

Try right-clicking on the Google form to the right of the address bar and select "Clear History".


36 posted on 11/29/2004 12:28:06 PM PST by Ex-Dem (AFL-CIO - Where organized labor becomes organized crime.)
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To: politicket
Internet Explorer still has a MUCH better rendering engine (especially in terms of speed). Firefox is too annoying waiting for the rendering of a page to occur.

Interesting. I have two PCs and run Firefox on both. As a comparison, pages open noticably much faster than do those when I use IE.

37 posted on 11/29/2004 12:28:08 PM PST by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: nickcarraway
I switched a few weeks ago and would observe:

1) WAY FASTER rendering speeds w/ Firefox.

2) Many nice features including many browser extensions that help facilitate specific tasks.

3) Tabbed browsing. Very nice is you regularly use an enterprise web base application like Siebel, mySAP, etc.

4) Much less spyware susceptible. I haven't had one of these vile creatures since I switched. I even safely surf Drudge again.

5) I have noticed some instability on Windows XP since switching. Had the browser hang a few times and had a browser process get orphaned a few times - browser exe still running and nothing visibly left on the task bar.

6) The toolbar area is not as flexible as IE, but you soon forget that nicety.

7) Automatically lets you know when updates are available.
38 posted on 11/29/2004 12:31:09 PM PST by IamConservative (People with courage and character always seem sinister to the rest.)
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To: politicket

I've been using firefox for about a year and a half now. Its not too shabby. I'm a fan anyways

Firefox is a little bit slower, but thats basically because windows preloads IE in the expectation that it'll be used (not a bad idea i guess) So they get to cheat a little bit on that front.

In terms of page rendering. I really haven't noticed that much of a performance hit. Usually well made pages respond about the same.

On security. Well the simple fact is people target IE for the same reason because the world targets the us. Its affluent, rich, and "invading" people's lives. Firefox can (and probably will be) broken like everything else.

Somethings kill me about firefox though. It really bugs me that when you click on a link that spawns a new page. Firefox spawns a new page. Seems to me that if your a "tab" browser it should spawn a new tab. Oh well...maybe sometime.

Also... whats the ctrl - o equilivent for firefox? anyone know that one off hand? its been killing me (ctrl-o brings up the url box at the top of the page in IE)


39 posted on 11/29/2004 12:32:09 PM PST by tfecw (dolphins are the spawn of evil)
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To: jack308

Opera user here on 7.6 beta--no complaints.


40 posted on 11/29/2004 12:32:49 PM PST by ECM
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

No, I haven't crossed completely over to the dark side with Linux yet. I'm not too computer savvy with stuff like that, and I'd have a lot of questions. I know it's free and all, but my personal jury is still out.


41 posted on 11/29/2004 12:33:21 PM PST by Terabitten (Live as a bastion of freedom and democracy in the midst of the heart of darkness.)
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To: South40
As a comparison, pages open noticably much faster than do those when I use IE.

The Firefox page will do an initial load faster than IE, but it loses the race when going to get the graphics and multimedia for the page. It takes longer for Firefox to generate the 100% complete page. I'm guessing that Firefox is written in Java, which would account for the slight decrease in speed.
42 posted on 11/29/2004 12:34:28 PM PST by politicket
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To: Pete'sWife
Extensions are 'additions' to the firefox program that are written by other users. It could be a tool to use a particular search engine, a calendar popup, or one of my favorites, called 'Adblock'. Adblock allows you to ignore images from particular websites (or locations on particular websites) including flash animations. Which means you can lock out the majority of ads on the websites you visit.

Another one I use is 'gmail notifier' which allows me to log onto my gmail account, know when new e-mail arrives, and to go to that e-mail account from whatever webpage I'm on. Since I also use LiveJournal, the extension 'deepest sender' allows me to add to my blog there while browsing (as a sidebar) or in it's own window. Very handy.

So the short answer is extensions are user written tools to add to firefox.

43 posted on 11/29/2004 12:35:39 PM PST by kingu (Which would you bet on? Iraq and Afghanistan? Or Haiti and Kosovo?)
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To: nickcarraway

Internet Explorer is so full of holes I've used Quik-Fix Pro from Pivx to lock it down. It uses a different means of walling off hostile sites. I don't think it will ever completely replace IE-SpyAd but it offers continuing proactive protection. All of the lists are gone from I.E but if you have imported them in Norton Internet Security, there are still there. On my desktop computer I'm running Netscape Navigator 7.2, which is an AOL rebrand of the Mozilla browser suite. On my laptops, I'm running Firefox browser cause I think a small and more flexible browser's great on portable computers. Until Microsoft fixes its I.E holes, people will be at risk from nasties. Until then, install anti-intrusion software alongside a good anti-virus scanner, trojan scanner, firewall and anti-spyware software. And of course, run a more secure browser like Netscape/Mozilla or Firefox.


44 posted on 11/29/2004 12:36:03 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: nickcarraway

I switched after all the security issues I was reading about with IE, and like anything else it takes some getting used to. Once you do though, wow! I especially love the "Bug Me Not" thingie for websites that want you to have a password and username. What a brain-saver that's been.


45 posted on 11/29/2004 12:36:38 PM PST by dbwz (Self-Defense is a Basic Human Right -- 2asisters.org)
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To: Tragically Single

eh don't let them fool you ;) windows is the way to go.

and as for being computer savvy, I'm not sure if thats a requirnment any more. I remember nearlying throwing my laptop out the window when i set up redhat. Those were the good ol days where you still had to mount devices! fun fun fun. I'm pretty sure they did away with all that in an effort to make it more windows like. and you know what that means ;)


46 posted on 11/29/2004 12:37:43 PM PST by tfecw (dolphins are the spawn of evil)
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To: politicket
I'm guessing that Firefox is written in Java

Nope, it's C++.

47 posted on 11/29/2004 12:38:10 PM PST by ThinkDifferent (A plan is not a litany of complaints)
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To: nickcarraway
We need some real knowledgeable computer geeks here.
I am ready to switch but need to know how to set things up so IE can still be used on those rare instances where a web pages misbehaves.

Any step by step instructions out there?

48 posted on 11/29/2004 12:39:29 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: Ex-Dem

Thanks for the info. Unfortunately when I clicked on it and then hit clear history, it did not clear the Google history. In fact it didn't seem to clear anything.


49 posted on 11/29/2004 12:40:03 PM PST by yarddog
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To: ThinkDifferent
Nope, it's C++.

Well, in that case I would give them a "D" for programming ability. The application should be much more responsive if running from compiled C++. Maybe their adopting Microsoft's "bloatware" concept? ;-)
50 posted on 11/29/2004 12:40:23 PM PST by politicket
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