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The Sleeping World Is Awakening to the Dangers of Islam
GOPUSA ^ | November 29, 2004 | Barbara Stock

Posted on 11/29/2004 12:11:54 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This past week, I have received many responses from Muslims concerning my two most recent columns: ''Followers of Islam: Can You See the Blood on Your Hands'' and ''Here Comes the Arab/Muslim Outrage.''

In one breath, some of the writers would call themselves ''intellectuals'' and then accuse me of being a Jew when I put tough questions to them that they could not answer. They maintained that as an American, I just was not intelligent enough to understand Islam. The mistake these ''intellectuals'' made is believing that I have any intention of ''understanding'' Islam.

It has taken me since 9/11 to realize that civilized humans cannot understand Islam. I am just overjoyed and somewhat relieved that the world is finally waking up in time to see the rabid dog coming its way disguised as Islam.

If Bin Laden has done one good thing in his wretched life, it was to poke a stick in the eye of the world by bringing his radical beliefs forward and urging his followers to commit violent acts. It has taken some time for people to begin taking a look at Muslims in their own areas, but it is happening. The French and the English are beginning to ask themselves, ''When did this happen? When did 6 million Muslims get here and what are they planning to do?''

Approximately 33% of the world is Christian and 20% is Muslim, based on figures for the year 2000. The number of Muslims is growing at an alarming rate. Muslims immigrated to peaceful, mostly Christian countries in Europe where they had large families that were reasonably safe from the ravages of their own strict religious teachings. At least these Muslims were safe until the radical element migrated from the oppressive Middle Eastern countries and began exerting its power over the masses and started menacing the indigenous populations that took Muslims in and welcomed them over the years. The mind-control of the clerics over the average Muslim is frightening and total.

This problem is most notable in the smaller European countries such as the Netherlands and Sweden, where a backlash against Islam is growing because of the strict Islamic laws forbidding mingling with the non-Muslim citizens of a country. In short, Muslims do not fit in. They are not allowed to fit in. The religious leaders lose their total control of the people if those people are allowed to see and experience the freedom that others enjoy. This is why Islam loathes democracy. Democracy steals the power of the Islamic leaders. It gives the people the right to think for themselves and thinking people might start to question their laws. Free people will question the absolute authority and power of the Islamic leaders over every aspect of their lives from birth to often violent death.

These days, it seems that anyone who speaks out against Islam runs the risk of being murdered, as in the case of filmmaker Theo Van Gogh who was shot, stabbed, and then had his throat slit by a radical Muslim in the Netherlands. Van Gogh had made documentaries exposing the brutality directed at women under Islam. Now, mosques and Muslim schools have been burned and the normally peaceful Dutch are considering closing their borders at the very least and perhaps even expelling Muslims from their country. As one Dutch citizen said on a blog, ''This country is a free country but we can't even speak anymore without wondering if some Muslim will murder us.'' The hate and unrest towards the followers of Islam is growing. It is just a rumble now, but it will get louder as the killing and bombing continues across Europe.

A recent report on Fox News showed the hostility growing between the Swedes and their Muslim population. There are Muslim areas where firefighters and emergency personnel will not enter without a police escort because they will be attacked. Firefighters attempting to put out a fire in a mosque were stoned. The anger between these two forces in Sweden is growing and the most liberal country in Europe is contemplating the same action as the Netherlands. It seems Muslims feel their neighborhoods are not a part of Sweden anymore but theirs, to do with as they see fit. The Swedish government does not see it that way. In those pockets of Islamic rule, poverty is common, unemployment is high, and the clerics foment hate and point fingers of blame on the evil West for Muslims' lot in life.

In France, which has the largest Muslim population in Europe, Islamic clerics openly troll the streets seeking restless young men to indoctrinate and send out to kill for Islam. They weed out the weaklings by having them view videos of the actual torture and beheadings of human beings complete with the screams of pain and all blood and gore of a nightmare. They watch Islamic ''snuff films.'' This is what will be expected of them as ''warriors'' of Allah.

Here in the United States we have a different set of problems. America is just too large for Islam to overpower by reproduction. It has also been impossible to isolate its followers from the American population and American Muslims are far less likely to follow the path of death and destruction. Here, they take a different tact.

Radical Islam is rampant in the prisons, converting the worst of the worst so that when they leave prison they are unleashed on society as pre-programmed, radical Islamic killing machines. On the outside they appear as average Americans which allow them to move about the country unencumbered and overlooked. These killing machines wait for their orders to kill and terrorize, cared for and protected by the radical Islamic element within our own borders.

Muslims live in the past where they had their glory days of conquest and power. They often refer to the Crusades, which ended around 1300, as if they happened last year. I am constantly reminded of Wounded Knee and American slavery. Wounded Knee took place in 1890 and slavery ended in the 1860s.

Muslim writers love to point out the Spanish Inquisition, which was an over-reaction to the conquests of Islam in Spain and was just as much political as religious. The Inquisition officially ended in 1834. What they fail to mention is that it was not only Muslims that were persecuted, but Jews and Protestants as well. Muslims always see themselves as the only victims of injustice in the world. Muslims also fail to mention that the Pope tried to intervene and stop the Inquisition but was unable to exert his power on the political machine.

We Catholics look at this period in our history with shame, not pride. Belief in God or Jesus cannot be forced on someone; it must come from the heart. Forced conversion is not done out of love, but fear. Islam can control one's body, but it cannot control one's thoughts. Converts that are forced will not stay with Islam. They will leave it at the first opportunity.

This is knowledge that has escaped the Islamics. As they condemn the Spanish Inquisition, Islam is doing the same right now in countries such as Sudan. What Muslims are doing in Sudan is far worse than the Spanish Inquisition. Humanitarian groups estimate that since 1983, an estimated 2 million people have died from war and related famine in Sudan at the hands of the Islamic leaders. Anyone refusing to denounce Jesus and accept Islam is executed. Rape is used as a weapon. It seems that all modern-day Islam needs is a coliseum with some lions. Trapped in the past, Muslims call the coalition forces ''crusaders.''

Since the attack on 9/11 here in the United States, the enemy has been exposed. The havens of safety in Afghanistan and Iraq have been taken from the Islamics. In its fury, Islam has made many mistakes. The attacks in Spain and in Bali and murders in the Netherlands and elsewhere have made the world realize that Islam is not just the enemy of America, but the enemy of the entire free world.

Some people were foolishly saying that America deserved to be attacked but when death came to their shores, they were taken aback. They had welcomed Muslims with open arms and this is how they are repaid for their kindness? Some countries are instituting laws that make our Patriot Act pale in comparison. Threatening tapes released by Bin Laden have had the opposite effect.

Instead of cowering, the world is beginning to look Islam in the eye and say, emphatically and collectively: ''NO! This will not be allowed.'' If it was a final crusade that Islam wanted, they have it.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: assassination; backlash; binladen; clerics; conquest; control; crusades; gwot; immigration; inquisition; islam; muslims; radicalislam; religionofpeace; terrorism
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I'm beginning to think that we're better off if the muslims (at least the radical ones) were kept in their part of the world while we stayed in ours. It looks like some muslims simply don't play well with others, and should thus be banished to one corner of the sandbox.

It is in the interest of the moderate muslims to rat out the radicals, rather than protect them or stand by while radical evil is perpetrated. After the radical muslims get rid of or subjugate the non-muslims, they could go after the moderate muslims for not being Islamic enough, the way some muslims did to other muslims in the Sudan.

1 posted on 11/29/2004 12:11:54 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; alisasny; AnnaSASsyFR; Angelwood; aristeides; Askel5; basil; bayliving; ..

Cuture clash BUMP!


2 posted on 11/29/2004 12:13:50 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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To: sneakers

Bump!


3 posted on 11/29/2004 12:17:36 PM PST by sneakers
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Amen. If moderate Muslims don't root out the butchers, they will be tarred with the same brush.


4 posted on 11/29/2004 12:17:37 PM PST by tkathy (There will be no world peace until all thuggocracies are gone from the earth.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
In short, Muslims do not fit in. They are not allowed to fit in. The religious leaders lose their total control of the people if those people are allowed to see and experience the freedom that others enjoy. This is why Islam loathes democracy. Democracy steals the power of the Islamic leaders.

Right, and in our love of tolerance and religious freedom, we're letting the mad Muslim dogs in.

I'm beginning to think that we're better off if the muslims (at least the radical ones) were kept in their part of the world while we stayed in ours.

Keep them in their sandboxes until they learn better manners.

5 posted on 11/29/2004 12:19:04 PM PST by xJones
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Unfortunately, we will probably have to keep killing them until they decide it is better to leave us alone, stay out of our way and not oppose us!
6 posted on 11/29/2004 12:24:00 PM PST by RAY (They that do right are all heroes!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Islamic clerics openly troll the streets seeking restless young men to indoctrinate and send out to kill for Islam. They weed out the weaklings by having them view videos of the actual torture and beheadings of human beings complete with the screams of pain and all blood and gore of a nightmare. They watch Islamic ''snuff films.'' This is what will be expected of them as ''warriors'' of Allah.
The Dark Masculine unchecked.

That is what Islam is. I just hope that Western Judeo-Christian culture wakes the hell up before these fluckers overrun us.

The next 50 years will answer that question.

7 posted on 11/29/2004 12:24:03 PM PST by bikepacker67 ("This is the best election night in history." -- DNC chairman Terry McAuliffe 11/2/04 8pm)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

There's no "might be better off" about it.

The radicals (which as far as I can tell comprises the majority) need to be kept out of democratic countries.


8 posted on 11/29/2004 12:27:06 PM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Foxes are not allowed into a henhouse for a valid reason. The hens would be eaten in a second.

In this day and age, the Moooslims are the fox and the hens are the inhabitants of ANY peaceful country.

The fox have been attacking the hens for decades, and it isn't until the farmer (U.S. Military) raids the fox's lair that the fight stays in the news.


9 posted on 11/29/2004 12:28:19 PM PST by SFC Chromey (13 months in Iraq and of COURSE I voted for BUSH!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The mind-control of the clerics over the average Muslim is frightening and total.

This is why I believe that setting up democracies in Islamic countries won't work. They'll just vote for whatever wack job the local mullah selects. I hope I'm wrong though.

10 posted on 11/29/2004 12:28:55 PM PST by badbass
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

11 posted on 11/29/2004 12:32:07 PM PST by paulcissa (Only YOU can prevent liberalism.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I think "moderate muslim" is a contradiction in terms, sort of like a "moderate Nazi". Until muslims learn how to act in a civilized manner, which includes condemning their more barbaric brethren, we have to watch our backs. And for God's sake, unleash Israel and let her defend herself!


12 posted on 11/29/2004 12:35:00 PM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

"I'm beginning to think that we're better off if the muslims (at least the radical ones) were kept in their part of the world while we stayed in ours."

Sorry, too late I'm afraid (actually, I'm not so much afraid as irritated ;'{


13 posted on 11/29/2004 12:35:31 PM PST by rockrr (I can't wait until sKerry is reduced to the level of a nuisance)
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To: badbass
Perhaps if there are enough mullahs involved than there could be a form of "democracy" (If the mullahs were independent of each other) One positive thought(I like you am very skeptical) is 70 years ago one would have thought that neither Germany or Japan would have a democratic like government but after their crushing defeats they got the idea
14 posted on 11/29/2004 12:37:34 PM PST by Falcon76
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Ever since I read V.S. Naipul's book, Among the Believers back in the 1970s, I've been concerned with Islam, particularly in its treatment of women. When my first husband was getting his PhD back then, there were lots of pre-Ayatollah Iranian, Iraqui and Saudi students in the math department (all male), and their hypocrisy and sexism was astonishing. Not only were they party animals, but they treated women as if they didn't exist or only as sexual prey. They have always come West to play against all the tenets of their so-called religion. I am now a grad student and did my bit at the college I attend by having a CAIR-produced poster show about "peaceful" Islam that "respects" women in their "happy headscarves" pose removed from the school library at this public college. I vehemently protested not only the lies in the propaganda but the fact that if they were going to have a posting about Islam they should include every other sect in the world, you name it. Also that I resented the high tax dollars I pay going to support a religion that foments terrorists. Although I never got a reply from the college president to whom I wrote, the posters were down within days. People must wake up, especially women. If you want your genitals mutilated, your freedom to move curtailed, your face vieled, your body beaten and most importantly, your thoughts totally controlled, just stay on the left and support this so-called "peaceful" cult.


15 posted on 11/29/2004 12:38:37 PM PST by beckysharp
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"It is in the interest of the moderate muslims to rat out the radicals, rather than protect them or stand by while radical evil is perpetrated."

I've waited over three years for this. "Moderate" muslims effectively do not exist. Either they are cowed into silence, or they quietly support the radicals.

We should quit wasting our time waiting on the evanescent "moderate muslim" to rat out his brethren. Two types of force have been shown to work so far:

1) Kill them.

2) Forcibly democratize them. (Afghanistan being the only example so far.)

16 posted on 11/29/2004 12:39:59 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Democrat Obstructionists will be Daschled!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

To hell with due process! Round them up, put them in camps, identify and tag them, then SEND THEM ALL (converts included!) to the muslime country of their choice.....and advise ALL of them that if they set foot on US soil again....EVER....it will mean their deaths!


17 posted on 11/29/2004 12:40:20 PM PST by Bombardier (Jihad, Nazism....Umma, Deutsches Reich.....no diff.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I am still waiting for these "moderate" muslims to start turning in the "radical" muslims. I am still waiting for the "moderate" muslims to speak out against the "radical" muslims and the actions that the "radical" muslims are taking. Funny, there isn't much noise from all of these "moderate" muslims. AS far as I am concerned they have had their chances and they have spoken, the silence was deafening and the answer was.... there are no moderates. There are none of them that are on my side.
I did not see one cleric or flag waving Muslim anywhere in the world upset with the woman who was just murdered. I did not see one cleric or flag waving Muslim telling the world how pleased they are to see the slaughter houses destroyed in Iraq. Until I have seen some evicence to show me different, at appears that Muslims, all of them, want all of us dead and gone.
Now I have always tried to keep an open mind but I am observant and I do learn by example. And as I said so far all of the evidence that I have seen says.... there is no such thing as a moderate muslim. Or we would be hearing from them. There would/should be hundreds of thousands of them jumping up and down all over the world with outrage at what these radicals are doing to tarnish the image of their wonderful peaceful religion. Right ?????? Can you hear them ??? I can't


18 posted on 11/29/2004 12:40:23 PM PST by dannyc1 (I'm just happy to be a part of it all)
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To: bikepacker67

"That is what Islam is. I just hope that Western Judeo-Christian culture wakes the hell up before these fluckers overrun us. "


They are quite the recruiters. Islam is growing worldwide. Do a google search and see how many islamic/hispanic centers there are in Mexico and the US.


19 posted on 11/29/2004 12:41:21 PM PST by AuntB (A people only understand the concept of democracy if they've fought and died for it.)
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To: badbass
They'll just vote for whatever wack job the local mullah selects.
I think the same would happen in any brand of theocracy if people voted with their religious leaders over their common sense.

The problem isn't the religion, its that its current interpretation in the problem spots does not value independent thought over blind acceptance of whatever is preached. It dosn't promote independent thought because the religion is wedded to tightly to politics in these regions. Thus blind acceptance of religion is equivalent to blind acceptance of the current polital system. Islam wasn't always interpreted this way, (and still isn't in some places).
20 posted on 11/29/2004 12:42:08 PM PST by crail (Better lives have been lost on the gallows than have ever been enshrined in the halls of palaces.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
TSR, Good post.!

BUMP


21 posted on 11/29/2004 12:43:17 PM PST by Coffee_drinker (The best terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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To: Falcon76

Yes, Germany and Japan were successful. We do seem to have some trouble with their descendents exporting leftwing "hooey" to some extent, at least we don't have to fight them. I see Turkey as the only example of an Islamic society that seems to work to some extent. Maybe there is some hope for the democracy to work. Islam is by definition so anti-independent thought, that it's hard to imagine it coexisting with democracy to any great extent. From what little I know, Attaturk seems to have come up with a sort of separation of mosque and state that is workable.


22 posted on 11/29/2004 12:43:19 PM PST by badbass
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I'm beginning to think that we're better off if the muslims (at least the radical ones) were kept in their part of the world while we stayed in ours.

In many respects I agree with you. It would be nice to build a wall around these clowns and let them live in 8th Century squalor and ignorance if they so choose. Unfortunately, we HAVE to do business with some of them. Specifically, I'm thinking of the populations of Neanderthals that inhabit Saudi Arabia and Iran as well as other Islamic countries. In the end, the trade-dollars we provide are transferred to the true nutzoids among them hiding out in darkened caves dreaming of a glorious, worldwide Fascistic State under their ignorant rule.

23 posted on 11/29/2004 12:44:54 PM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: crail
Thus blind acceptance of religion is equivalent to blind acceptance of the current polital system.

Very good point.

24 posted on 11/29/2004 12:46:43 PM PST by badbass
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Great article!

I hope the author is right and the rest of the world finally wakes up to the beast that is the extremist fundamental Muslim religion...seeking only terror, torture and dominance...never peace!

IMHO, and in not that distant future we will see new allies to our cause in Iraq that were just weeks ago laughing at us and our President.

25 posted on 11/29/2004 12:47:39 PM PST by reagankid
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

What does a pluralistic, tolerant society do when they are confronted by a belief system grounded in intolerance and hate?

In the U.S. we dealt with it when we had problems with the Ku Klux Klan - and ended it accordingly.


26 posted on 11/29/2004 12:49:19 PM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: dannyc1
Albania, a country of 70% Muslims, is one of the most vocal supporters of the war in Iraq. One of only 4 countries to send combat troops. Along with neighboring Kosovo, it is the only (polled) place on earth in which polls show a consistent belief that the war in Iraq has made the world safer. When Spain pulled out of Iraq, it was Albania that offered to more than double their troop commitment.

Or we would be hearing from them.
Albania has been given no voice here, which confuses me, I really think it's Bush's fault... He should mention them more and make them a more visible ally. Not only are they a moderate Islamic democracy with an almost unconditional support for the war, Albanians were Clinton's war. Liberals overwhelmingly support freeing Ethnic Albanians in Kosovo, which was the right thing to do... Most people agree with that war. But what's the first thing they did with their freedom? Hauled off to bring it to Iraq. This should speak to Liberals, but no one knows about it... no one mentions Albania, not Liberals, not conservatives.
27 posted on 11/29/2004 12:52:28 PM PST by crail (Better lives have been lost on the gallows than have ever been enshrined in the halls of palaces.)
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To: beckysharp

Your post recalled my time at Boston University in 1978 as an undergrad. I remember that the anti-Shah of Iran demonstrations on campus (students hiding their faces with black scarves--a foreshadowing of what was to come) were greeted with much enthusiasm by the liberal faculty and fellow students. Though a liberal myself at the time, I was very concerned about what would happen to women if the Shah was overthrown. When I spoke of this concern, I was brushed off and told the Shah was worse than anything the Ayatollahs could come up with. Not happy to have been right.


28 posted on 11/29/2004 12:58:23 PM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal)
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To: xJones
I'm beginning to think that we're better off if the muslims (at least the radical ones) were kept in their part of the world while we stayed in ours.

It's too late for that now (at least for those of us that support Israel).

The possession of nuclear weapons by Islam and the means and will to use them changes the complexion of this issue completely.

A more drastic solution is required...Islam must either be reformed or...well, you get the picture.

If there is an feasible alternative, please let us all know.

29 posted on 11/29/2004 1:01:49 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Most moderates do not speak out for fear of reprisal from Islamic radicals. Not this chap: www.roadofanation.com an excellent blog from an Iraqi citizen.
30 posted on 11/29/2004 1:03:39 PM PST by vivabushchick ("Picture a smiley face on the Red States")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Just exterminate all of them ---everywhere.


31 posted on 11/29/2004 1:07:05 PM PST by Retired Navy Chief (muslim extremist scum don't deserve to live)
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To: Brad Cloven
I've waited over three years for this. Either they are cowed into silence, or they quietly support the radicals.
The problem isn't that they don't exist or are quiet on the topic. The problem is that we don't point it out when they talk. We don't give them a voice. When they do talk, we should be posting it, congratulating it. Instead, we tend to beat it down or ignore it.

2) Forcibly democratize them. (Afghanistan being the only example so far.)
I think you'll have to wait a bit to declare Afghanistan an example. A one month old democracy can hardly be declared stable.
32 posted on 11/29/2004 1:07:10 PM PST by crail (Better lives have been lost on the gallows than have ever been enshrined in the halls of palaces.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
These killing machines wait for their orders to kill and terrorize, cared for and protected by the radical Islamic element within our own borders.

Maybe just coincidence, but Muhammad and Malvo (the DC snipers) shot Linda Franklin at the Home Depot less than 5 minutes walk from the Wahabbi Dar al Hijra mosque in Falls Church, VA. This place is notorious, it has been host to OBL's brother (who lived in Falls Church and ran the World Assembly of Musliim Youth), as well as a banker who once laundered OBL's funds out of the Cayman Islands (he was on the board of the Dar al Hijra).

In addition, Dar al Hijra is where several of the 9/11 hijackers made contacts to obtain their phony Virginia IDs. Again, maybe coincidental that the imam of several other 9/11 hijackers from San Diego moved to Falls Church to "preach" there.

33 posted on 11/29/2004 1:09:20 PM PST by angkor
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To: weenie
A more drastic solution is required...Islam must either be reformed or...well, you get the picture.

Very pragmetic and correct, unfortunately. I believe that when the "more drastic solution" is used, for example in fallujah, then more moderate muslims will start to show., In the end, they won't all have to be killed, some will have a reformation in their religion and will welcome a multi-religious unity with the West. They may always have to be watched, however.

34 posted on 11/29/2004 1:19:47 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: angkor

I'm surprised this mosque isn't a smoking pile yet.


35 posted on 11/29/2004 1:20:42 PM PST by manic4organic (We won. Get over it.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I'm beginning to think that we're better off if the muslims (at least the radical ones) were kept in their part of the world...

But TSR, they all read the same filthy handbook. The ones that won't cut our heads off will finance those that will.

36 posted on 11/29/2004 1:24:29 PM PST by JesseHousman
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To: KC_for_Freedom
some will have a reformation in their religion and will welcome a multi-religious unity with the West

I hear you...there has been an awful lot of talk about the problem and your comment points to the possible commencement of talk about solutions. Practical, real world solutions...this religion must be purged of its tendency toward hatred and violence if any of its adherents are to survive.

And, I agree, whatever the solution, the situation will require long term monitoring.

37 posted on 11/29/2004 1:27:51 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

38 posted on 11/29/2004 1:34:37 PM PST by b4its2late (Liberals are good examples of why some animals eat their young.)
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To: weenie; KC_for_Freedom

If these dufuses would just renounce the violence and hate (some would say that's renouncing part of their religion), we wouldn't need monitoring. And monitoring peaceful muslims could be a foot in the door to government monitoring all of us.


39 posted on 11/29/2004 1:46:36 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

You raise a very good point...it is definitely a delicate matter.


40 posted on 11/29/2004 2:12:06 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: crail

Yes, actually the problem IS the religion. And the problem is also that they have convinced some of us that the problem is today's INTERPRETATION of a "basically peaceful religion." This is the great deception of Islam. We are being deceived at our peril.


41 posted on 11/29/2004 2:20:18 PM PST by turnrightnow (keeper's mom)
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To: badbass
Re: Your post #22

I spent 3 weeks in Turkey back in '89. The word I got from the locals was that Attaturk wanted Turkey to be considered part of Europe rather than part of the Near East. Attaturk set off on this goal by making sweeping changes to the country. He outlawed the use of the fez by men. He made it illegal for the clerics to meddle in politics. He made changes so that all government documents would be written using the alphabet as you are reading it here rather than the flowing script of Arabic. He also used the Army to back him up.

In other words, he dragged them, kicking and screaming, from the middle ages to the 20th century in very little time. Those who opposed were crushed by the military.

Given this and the example of Gen. Black Jack Pershing's dealing with the Muslim Moros in the Philippines, it would seem that reason and diplomacy as a means of change in the Muslim world do not work.

Best Regards

Sergio
42 posted on 11/29/2004 2:55:45 PM PST by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
They had welcomed Muslims with open arms and this is how they are repaid for their kindness?

On her way to work one morning Down the path along side the lake A tender hearted woman saw a poor half frozen snake His pretty colored skin had been all frosted with the dew "Poor thing," she cried, "I'll take you in and I'll take care of you"

"Take me in tender woman Take me in, for heaven's sake Take me in, tender woman," sighed the snake

She wrapped him all cozy in a comforter of silk And laid him by her fireside with some honey and some milk She hurried home from work that night and soon as she arrived She found that pretty snake she'd taken to had been revived

"Take me in, tender woman Take me in, for heaven's sake Take me in, tender woman," sighed the snake

She clutched him to her bosom, "You're so beautiful," she cried "But if I hadn't brought you in by now you might have died" She stroked his pretty skin again and kissed and held him tight

Instead of saying thanks, the snake gave her a vicious bite

"Take me in, tender woman Take me in, for heaven's sake Take me in, tender woman," sighed the snake

"I saved you," cried the woman "And you've bitten me, but why? You know your bite is poisonous and now I'm going to die"

"Oh shut up, silly woman," said the reptile with a grin

"You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in!"

43 posted on 11/29/2004 3:05:39 PM PST by Walkin Man
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Prophet of Doom : Islam's Terrorist Dogma in Muhammad's Own Words

CLICK ON ABOVE IMAGE


The CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS AND THE REMAKING OF WORLD ORDER

CLICK ON ABOVE IMAGE




44 posted on 11/29/2004 3:30:30 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It's about time people opened their eyes and looked into the details. Get past the left's love affair and propaganda about Islam. The left, through National Socialists (Nazis) also had a love affair with Hitler. And the left, through the Bolsheviks during the Russian revolution (which was later revealed to have exterminated over 20 million), WERE the lefty loonies. And the "left" the communists in China have butchered an estimated 60 million (no one knows for sure because of the closed society). The left in America's abortion support has killed over 40 MILLION and counting.

The left has always had an affinity for death, violence, and hate. It's just part of their ideology.

See the ANTI-DNC Web Portal at --->
http://www.noDNC.com


45 posted on 11/29/2004 3:54:11 PM PST by woodb01 (See the ANTI-DNC Web Portal at ---> http://www.noDNC.com)
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To: Cacique
Another good read, about Arabs more than Islam:

The Closed Circle: An Interpretation of the Arabs
by David Pryce-Jones

From Library Journal (Amazon)

Reporter Pryce-Jones examines shame-honor ranking as a motivational force in Muslim society vying with Western values, while at the same time tracing the negative impact of Europe on Muslim society. The book facilitates an understanding of the Middle East, and the author has provided copious source notes to support his statements. He cites the diversion of efforts from country and institutional goals to serve personal and tribal religious careerism, and concludes that Arabs don't fit into Western organizing principles. This is an ambitious book that ranges widely over recent Middle Eastern history, but its negativity inspires a sense of futility as to the future, and leaves one wondering whether the conclusions drawn are correct.

46 posted on 11/29/2004 4:51:39 PM PST by angkor
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
''Here Comes the Arab/Muslim Outrage.''

I'm still waiting on the video. Haven't even seen a clip of the dang thing yet.

Is there an outrage? Are the Muslims in America as outraged as the Everybody Else in America? OK, I'll be patient. I'm sure any day now we're gonna hear about this outrage. Right?

47 posted on 11/29/2004 5:48:01 PM PST by PistolPaknMama (Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that -- Mark Twain)
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To: Bombardier

YOU, sir, should be in charge of Homeland Security.
The only way to make sure there is not another 9-11 in this country is to do exactly as you have said.
Everyone knows it. No one in government wants to do it.


48 posted on 11/29/2004 5:51:27 PM PST by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: beckysharp
"If you want your genitals mutilated, your freedom to move curtailed, your face vieled, your body beaten.."

Ahem..why do you think they veil their faces? Its to hide the swollen noses and black-eyed bruises.

49 posted on 11/29/2004 6:13:09 PM PST by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Ya know, I would accept a few "informers" inside the mosques, and I would accept the synagoges too if people feel a sincere need to be fair and balanced. What I don't like is our foolish willingness to let whatever goes on in a house of G-d to be off limits. At least in Iraq our guys have quit this side steppping. (How many arms have they found stored in the Mosques?) Quit worrying about monitoring, if they say they are being good, will you believe them? Have they not ever lied to you?

Now, if time passes and things are very cool, maybe then monitoring does not make so much sense, but this will be a long time from now.


50 posted on 11/29/2004 6:52:44 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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