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Brain Scan Shows Differences in Truth, Lying
Yahoo News ^ | 11/29/2004 | By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent

Posted on 11/29/2004 1:25:33 PM PST by Lazamataz

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Brain scans show that the brains of people who are lying look very different from those of people who are telling the truth, U.S. researchers said on Monday.

The study, using functional magnetic resonance imaging or fMRI, not only sheds light on what goes on when people lie but may also provide new technology for lie-detecting, the researchers said.

"There may be unique areas in the brain involved in deception that can be measured with fMRI," said Dr. Scott Faro, director of the Functional Brain Imaging Center at Temple University School of Medicine in Philadelphia.

"There may be unique areas in the brain involved in truth-telling," Faro added at a news conference.

Faro and colleagues tested 10 volunteers. Six of them were asked to shoot a toy gun and then lie and say they didn't do it. Three others who watched told the truth about what happened. One volunteer dropped out of the study.

While giving their "testimony," the volunteers were hooked up both to a conventional polygraph and also had their brain activity imaged using fMRI, which used a strong magnet to provide a real-time picture of brain activity.

There were clear differences between the liars and the truth-tellers, Faro's team told a meeting in Chicago of the Radiological Society of North America.

"We found a total of seven areas of activation in the deception (group)," he said. "We found four areas of activity in the truth-telling arm."

Overall, it seemed to take more brain effort to tell the lie than to tell the truth, Faro found.

Lying caused activity in the frontal part of the brain --- the medial inferior and pre-central areas, as well as the hippocampus and middle temporal regions and the limbic areas. Some of these are involved in emotional responses, Faro said.

During a truthful response, the fMRI showed activation of parts of the brain's frontal lobe, temporal lobe and cingulate gyrus.

Faro said the study was small and limited. Volunteers were not asked to try especially hard to deceive the equipment, he said -- noting that it has been documented that some people can fool a polygraph using various techniques.

Using fMRI as a lie detector is expensive, but it may be worthwhile in some cases -- such as trying to question a terrorism suspect, or in a high-profile corporate crime case, Faro said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: brain; clintonisms; lying; truth

This Couple Said To Be In State Of Panic

1 posted on 11/29/2004 1:25:34 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz

LOL!! I was thinking of them when I read the article! Can you imagine what Bubba's brain would look like???


2 posted on 11/29/2004 1:28:58 PM PST by AuntB (A people only understand the concept of democracy if they've fought and died for it.)
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To: Lazamataz

Neither Bill or Hill are even good liars. They just have a bunch of sheeple who want to believe them.


3 posted on 11/29/2004 1:31:49 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (This space is available to advertise your service or product.)
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To: Lazamataz

A pair of "PAGLEGS" if ever I've seen 'em.


4 posted on 11/29/2004 1:31:55 PM PST by Old Professer (The accidental trumps the purposeful in every endeavor attended by the incompetent.)
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To: AuntB
...Can you imagine what Bubba's brain would look like?

http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html

5 posted on 11/29/2004 1:31:56 PM PST by Red Badger (If the Red States are JESUSLAND, then the Blue States are SATANLAND......)
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To: AuntB
Can you imagine what Bubba's brain would look like??

Well, let's find out, shall we?


6 posted on 11/29/2004 1:32:37 PM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Lazamataz
Ted Kennedy was responsible for making it illegal for an employer to even mention the words "polygraph' or "lie detector."

The cost of employee theft is passed on to consumers.

7 posted on 11/29/2004 1:34:13 PM PST by bayourod (Don't Mess With West Texas Oil Field Trash)
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To: Lazamataz

Swell. More grist for the sweat merchants.


8 posted on 11/29/2004 1:34:56 PM PST by Cyber Liberty ( 2004, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: Lazamataz

let's put a few million into this. and keep several billion out of scumbag lawyers pockets!!


9 posted on 11/29/2004 1:34:59 PM PST by camas
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To: Lazamataz

If you could look inside Bubbas head all you would see is millions of little pu**ies


10 posted on 11/29/2004 1:36:00 PM PST by Retired Navy Chief (hitlary has rls (rhino leg syndrome) and no pu**y)
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To: Lazamataz
the inclusion of corporations in the milieu of terrorism is sick.
11 posted on 11/29/2004 1:36:27 PM PST by phxaz (hey cantada.. who stands on guard for thee? huh? answer the question.)
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To: Retired Navy Chief
If you could look inside Bubbas head all you would see is millions of little pu**ies

Like James Carville, Terry McAullife, Dan Rather, and George Stephanopolis, to name a few....

12 posted on 11/29/2004 1:37:55 PM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Lazamataz

Vive La Difference !

13 posted on 11/29/2004 1:40:20 PM PST by COUNTrecount
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To: Lazamataz

Well, clinton was not a particularly good liar. But I always had a somewhat humourous take on lying since I worked with kids. One day a colleague and I were discussing a student who was pretty challenged, could barely put two words together to make a sentence. But he had told me a beautiful whopper. A story with a beginning, ending, middle and a cast of characters that was quite inventive. He was headed for big trouble, which is why he told me the story. And I just nodded until he wound up. I wanted to see just how far he could take his yarn.

Anyway, I allowed to my friend that perhaps lying was a completely different intelligence. And wasn't it too bad we couldn't harness that intelligence for normal learning. Cause this kid had some real potential. Oh well...


14 posted on 11/29/2004 1:46:07 PM PST by Kay Syrah (nice finish)
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To: Lindykim; DirtyHarryY2K; Siamese Princess; Ed Current; Grampa Dave; Luircin; gonow; John O; ...

Moral Absolutes Ping. Hmm, food for thought. I noted the article said it is harder to lie than tell the truth. Lies are always harder to remember, too.

I read once that a liar's footprints defile the earth. Or words to that effect.

I have noticed that when people lie a little, they usually really lie a lot. It is definitely a very bad habit and character fault. Of course, if an intruder breaks into your house and inquires as to the location of the childrens' bedrooms, best to lie, while aiming your firearm unnoticeably.

let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.


15 posted on 11/29/2004 1:47:01 PM PST by little jeremiah (Moral absolutes are what make humans human.)
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To: Lazamataz

I always wondered why I had such a highly developed cingulate gyrus. People are always commenting upon that fact.


16 posted on 11/29/2004 1:53:38 PM PST by Socratic (Death be not proud - but put on clean underwear.)
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To: Lazamataz

Already invented:

Detectives of the Bucks County Police Deaprtment were hellbent on getting a confession out of the suspect. But instead of resorting to the old rubber hose approach they put technology to use. They clearly [sic] converted the office Xerox machine into a lie detector.

First, the supersleuths put a card saying "He's lying" into the machine. Then they put a metal colander (normally used to drain spaghetti) over the suspect's head. Next, they wired the colander to the Xerox machine.

When the suspect gave an answer the detectives didn't believe, the officers pushed the copy button and the machine spewed out a paper which read, "He's lying." Faced with such advanced-level police tactics, the fellow finally confessed.

When the judge heard all of the details, he ordered that the criminal charges be dropped and the suspect released. Lucky for him there's no law against gullibility.


17 posted on 11/29/2004 1:53:41 PM PST by frithguild (Withdraw from the 1967 Treaty on the Exploration an Use of Outer Space - Establish Private Property)
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To: Lazamataz

I like the practical applications of this. On the other hand, I don't like the fact that I might not be able to get away with lying anymore.


18 posted on 11/29/2004 1:56:38 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: AuntB

Hehe...Monica probably knows!


19 posted on 11/29/2004 1:59:27 PM PST by RockinRight (Liberals are OK with racism and sexism, as long as it is aimed at a Republican.)
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To: Socratic
I always wondered why I had such a highly developed cingulate gyrus. People are always commenting upon that fact.

Alright buddy. Put your brain back in your pants.


20 posted on 11/29/2004 2:00:21 PM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Lazamataz
Alright buddy. Put your brain back in your pants.

"Say hello to my leetle friend."


21 posted on 11/29/2004 3:03:27 PM PST by Leroy S. Mort (Falcons - the Red States Team)
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To: Lazamataz
Brain scans show that the brains of people who are lying look very different from those of people who are telling the truth, U.S. researchers said on Monday.

Yet again, Captain Obvious strikes again...how weary I grow of these Captain Obvious "revelations"...TIME MAGAZINE DISCOVERS (uncovers) MEN ARE DIFFERENT THAN WOMEN!!!

BWAHAHAHAHA!

FMCDH(BITS)

22 posted on 11/29/2004 3:11:32 PM PST by nothingnew (Kerry is gone...perhaps to Lake Woebegone)
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To: Lazamataz

If this story is true about MRI's, then the technology should be used against every psych in the United States that pretends they can "read people" and that they can determine people's motives and attitudes!

The ultimate debunking tool for all those witch doctors in the psych profession!

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http://www.noDNC.com


23 posted on 11/29/2004 3:39:07 PM PST by woodb01 (See the ANTI-DNC Web Portal at ---> http://www.noDNC.com)
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To: Lazamataz
Zatarcs? It's on Stargate SG1 on Sci-fi right now.
24 posted on 11/29/2004 3:56:16 PM PST by eccentric (aka baldwidow)
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To: bayourod
Actually, he's got me on his side on this one. Having experience in the poly field (taking polygraph to obtain a security clearance you need a clearance to know about), and having nothing to hide, the examiner kept pressing me, saying I'm holding something back. I wasn't. I took the polygraph three times. . .with the same results. That is when my life went upside down and I eventually did my own research on the subject to discover the "truth" behind the polygraph.

Found out that at best, by FBI standards, 90% accurate, leaving a 10% false-positive result. Out of 1,000, that means 100 falsely accused. Polygraph operators will tell you the same thing, but none will admit they are ever wrong.

Question 1: Do you intend to answer truthfully? Answer: Yes. Result: no deception.
Question 2: Do you watch TV with the lights on? Answer: Yes. Result: no deception.
Question 3: Other than what you have told us, have you disclosed classified information to unauthorized personnel? Answer: No. Result: Inconclusive.
Question 4: Have you answered truthfully? Answer: yes. Result: No deception.
Question 5: Are you concerned about something we have not discussed? Answer: No. Result: No deception.

So we have questions designed to see if I intended to lie, lied or was hiding something and they all showed "no deception," whereas the primary question (#3) was "inconclusive." This started a months long investigation that eventually resulted in a 9-question list for a polygraph exam, and each question began with, "In your life, have you ever. . .(stolen anything of any value from anyone)(lied to anyone about anything)(cheated on any test)(cheated on any measurement)(etc). After hearing the questions I realized they were fishing for something, ANYTHING to hang me for. I refused the exam, kept my clearance and went on with my life/career.

Oh, Catholics and Mormons have the highest rate of false-positives.
25 posted on 11/29/2004 4:58:43 PM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: Lazamataz

You don't need the magnetic resonance imaging to determine the Hildabeast is lying. The test is a lot more basic than that.

How do you know that Hillary Rotten Clinton is lying? It's simple, her lips are moving.


27 posted on 11/29/2004 8:02:54 PM PST by punster
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To: Lazamataz

Trying to believe lies torques your brain around too. That's why the Dim message appeals so much to the previously torqued.


28 posted on 11/29/2004 8:09:06 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: little jeremiah

momma said to always tell the truth, that way you don't have to remember what you said.


29 posted on 11/30/2004 2:21:56 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (I'm from North Dakota and I'm all FOR Global Warming! Bring it ON!)
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To: Lazamataz
There may be unique areas in the brain involved in truth-telling

Just scan Billzebubba's brain and look for the regions that have withered away from disuse.

30 posted on 11/30/2004 6:36:51 AM PST by steve-b (I put sentences together suspiciously well for a righty blogger.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

It's much easier to remember the truth than made up stories.

Habitual liars can never, ever be trusted in anything. Ever.


31 posted on 11/30/2004 8:50:49 AM PST by little jeremiah (Moral Absolutes? Do they exist? i If so, what are they and where did they come from?)
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