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Airport screeners find 75 guns per month
THE WASHINGTON TIMES ^ | November 25, 2004 | Audrey Hudson

Posted on 11/29/2004 1:45:56 PM PST by neverdem


The Washington Times
www.washingtontimes.com

Airport screeners find 75 guns per month

By Audrey Hudson
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published November 25, 2004

Traveling for the holidays? Have everything you need? Razor? Toothbrush? Handgun? Ammunition?


    Homeland Security officials say that even now, three years after the September 11 terrorist attacks prompted new security measures at airports, passengers continue to show up at the terminals carrying guns and bullets.


    Airport screeners find 2,000 bullets and 75 guns per month on passengers or in carry-on bags, said Mark Hatfield, spokesman for the Transportation Security Administration (TSA). At 450 airports across the country, an average of two guns per day are discovered.


    "The numbers are going up," Mr. Hatfield said.


    Nearly every case is accidental -- hunters forget to take ammo out of coat pockets and sportsmen forget to take guns out of bags after target practice or a trip to the skeet range, he said.


    A 79-year-old woman was arrested Tuesday at Fort Lauderdale International Airport in Florida after a single-shot Colt Derringer and seven bullets were found in her tote bag.


    The woman said she had placed the gun in a hollowed-out book in the bag months ago and had forgotten about it. She faces a penalty of up to five years in prison.


    "That underscores the importance of the need to screen everyone," TSA spokeswoman Yolanda Clark said. "This continues to be a significant problem at checkpoints across the country."


    The National Rifle Association (NRA) is teaming up with the TSA on a public service campaign to remind its members to include guns and bullets in last-minute...


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There still dragging their butts about arming the pilots, last that I heard.
1 posted on 11/29/2004 1:45:59 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

reminds me of the time i was driving into the US from Mexico and a narctics dog found an ancient bag of marijuana that had been in a side pocket of my bag for at least 7 years.


2 posted on 11/29/2004 1:50:56 PM PST by DTaggart
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To: neverdem

politicians, lawyers, and leftist actors all are released ASAP when they are caught with guns, knoves, drugs, etc.

The ordinary citizen? Heaven help you because the law is the one who will trash your rights! You are NOT 'equal enough' to be allowed any.


3 posted on 11/29/2004 1:51:06 PM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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To: neverdem
Never, ever, ever, ever, ever fly.
4 posted on 11/29/2004 1:56:07 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: neverdem
Americans understand how to be safe and secure, even if government officials won't recognize their right to be.

Molon Labe!

5 posted on 11/29/2004 2:01:09 PM PST by TERMINATTOR ("I believe in background checks at gun shows or anywhere" - GWB)
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To: neverdem

I wonder how many per month get missed ...


6 posted on 11/29/2004 2:04:13 PM PST by a_screen_name
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To: TERMINATTOR

Yep.

Great 'toon.

Of course, it was this administration that stopped the pilots from carrying.

Stay safe, stay armed.


7 posted on 11/29/2004 2:04:30 PM PST by lodwick (The 2nd Amendment is Our Reset Button on Governments.)
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To: neverdem
my big questions are:

1. What happens to the GUNS and ammo found? Will they be returned to the owner?

2. What happens to the people? Will it automatically take away their constitutional rights to keep and bears guns and will they automatically be branded a felon for life?

8 posted on 11/29/2004 2:05:18 PM PST by prophetic ("I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things."--Dan Rather)
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To: TERMINATTOR

Looks like a circular firing squad to me. I can think of a couple better ways to draw that.


9 posted on 11/29/2004 2:05:53 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: neverdem

And just think; If you ever get in trouble, these people are considered for a jury of your peers. "Whut?? Yah mean guns aren`t allowed on an airuhplaaayne? Noo wayyy!"


10 posted on 11/29/2004 2:06:48 PM PST by Imaverygooddriver (I`m a very good driver and I approve this message.)
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To: TERMINATTOR

It's a funny cartoon, but let me ask you to evaluate a scenario. Let's say everyone was allowed to bring firearms on the plane. Two terrorists also bring ther guns on the plane, with the intent of crashing the plane. Terrorists brandish weapons, citizens respond, gunfight ensues. What do you think the odds are of that plane continuing to fly?


11 posted on 11/29/2004 2:06:56 PM PST by Shryke
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To: neverdem

75 guns a month as people make an extra effort to NOT have them in their carry on bags. So...wouldn't that translate to at least 75 attempted crimes with guns on airliners per month pre 9-11? After all, having guns is what makes people commit crimes.


12 posted on 11/29/2004 2:08:24 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Drivers of SUVs without brush scratches should be horsewhipped! ><BCC>)
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To: neverdem

WRONG


13 posted on 11/29/2004 2:10:16 PM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: Shryke
What do you think the odds are of that plane continuing to fly?

Depends ... is it a Boeing, or an Airbus?

14 posted on 11/29/2004 2:13:06 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: Shryke
What do you think the odds are of that plane continuing to fly?"

At altitude? Not much. The first round to penetrate the fuselage would probably cause an explosive decompression that would not only suck people out the hole, it could cause enough damage to bring about catastrophic failure of the fuselage.

Guns on an airplane are a very bad idea, regardless of who is holding them.
15 posted on 11/29/2004 2:13:13 PM PST by stm
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To: Shryke

Airplanes have myriad redundant systems, and the chances of a bullet hitting a critical point are slim.

The systems that maintain cabin pressure are run from bleed air from the jet engines, and typically operate at a small percentage of their capacity. A few holes in the fuselage would just cause an air valve to open slightly wider.

Also, it would be sensible for an armed-passenger airline to request that their passengers carry only frangible rounds, incapable of penetrating the fuselage, and offer an assortment of such ammunition at wildly inflated prices (like the little bottles of liquor) for those who forgot to bring it.


16 posted on 11/29/2004 2:14:42 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Shryke
Terrorists brandish weapons, citizens respond, gunfight ensues.

Terrorists know who bad guys are; citizenry doesn't, causing multiple blue-on-blue engagements.

17 posted on 11/29/2004 2:14:45 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: stm
Bwahahahahahaha!!!!

Only if the aircraft in question is being flown by Miss Pussy Galore, and has Bond, James Bond on board ....

18 posted on 11/29/2004 2:15:13 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: stm

Remember that scene in "US Marshals" when that convict puts together a gun in the toilet and tries to off Wesley Snipes?

I imagine explosive decompression would probably be something like that.


19 posted on 11/29/2004 2:19:33 PM PST by MplsSteve
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To: stm
There's a gulf between the movies, "probably," and actual facts, my friend.

Boeing Country: Guns in jets: Don't believe movie image

Jetliner cabins are pressurized. The air inside is compressed to the same density as air at 8,000 feet of altitude. Airliner fuselages at 30,000 feet frequently are compared by the press to inflated balloons. The implication is if you puncture it, it will blow.

That's plain wrong. First, the difference in pressure between the inside and outside air at 40,000 feet is 8.6 pounds per square inch, and the cabin wall is tested to withstand 18.2 pounds, more than twice as much. Second, airliner fuselages are not airtight -- they leak air all the time.

Maintenance people told me that in the days when smoking was allowed, you could find leaks in the fuselage simply by noting the starting point of the brown streaks of cigarette tar.

One engineer told me that Boeing pressurizes each new plane to look for and seal leaks. If the plane passes this ``low blow'' test, it's subjected to a ``high blow'' test at even higher pressure to proof the fuselage for pressure changes.

During the tests, assembly workers outside feel for leaks. When they find one, workers inside apply a sealant glue that is sucked into the leak and seals it. But here's the key point, he said: They don't necessarily have to find all leaks; they just have to find enough.

The cabin atmosphere is continuously pressurized using air from the engines' compressor stages, cooled and mixed with cabin air. The pressure is controlled automatically. If it needs to be increased, more is drawn from the engine. If it needs to be decreased, an outlet valve opens to draw out cabin pressure.

And -- talk about holes in the fuselage -- a retired airline captain told me that the outlet pipe may be 15 inches in diameter, though it's rarely opened fully.

In a twin-engine plane, there are two sources for the compressed ``bleed air,'' and with that air at 40 pounds per square inch, the engines are capable of supplying far more air than they ordinarily have to.

So if a small hole -- say bullet-sized -- opened in the fuselage, the air conditioning packs would supply more bleed air, easily keeping up with the air loss. ``All you'd have is a whistling noise in the cabin,'' a structural repair specialist said It would be no worse than when you open the lavatory sink drain or flush the vacuum toilet.

The oxygen masks, which drop from the ceiling automatically when the cabin air pressure drops below about 12,000 feet, wouldn't even deploy.

But wouldn't the air rushing out open the bullet hole further?

Only in the movies, the structural guy indicated. All jetliners incorporate ``tear straps'' in the fuselage wall. If a hairline crack or bullet hole opened in the skin and started to grow, it couldn't progress far before it reached one of these reinforced points and turned, making what he called a ``controlled flap.''

OK. But what if the slipstream catches a projecting piece of the plane's skin torn out by a bullet? Wouldn't that pull more metal away?

Possibly, but again, not as it does in the movies. A Boeing engineer told me that at 400 knots, the air passing over the plane exerts only 4.11 pounds of pressure per square inch. At 450 knots, it's 5.33 pounds. So if a bullet opened a 4-square-inch projection outside, the slipstream would exert about 21 pounds of pull on it.

``I have no problem at all ... If you shot 50 holes in the fuselage, structurally it would be no problem at all,'' the structural expert said.


20 posted on 11/29/2004 2:19:57 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Shryke; stm
What do you think the odds are of that plane continuing to fly?

Very good actually. Learn something about aircraft then come back and continue discourse on this subject. Explosive decompression? Not unless you were carrying a Howitzer. No pistol caliber bullet would do enough collective damage to the fuselage. Airlines mandating frangible or bi-metal "aircraft safe" slugs would even get rid of the possibility of wrecking the avionics of hyd lines.

No. Punching a round, even a tracer round, through a gas tank is not enough to cause an explosion. Just a leak. Try shooting a gas can full of fuel sometime and you'll see what I mean.

I'd rather get shot in a gun fight with terrorists than sit there f*cking helpless while the plane gets crashed into a juicy target or lawn darted.

21 posted on 11/29/2004 2:19:57 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: Poohbah
That's pretty much the basis of my argument. Allowing everyone to carry a weapon would NOT reduce terrotists threat to aircraft. It would increase the threat. It's a question of initiative (terrorist is going to open fire first) and liabilities (terrorist WANTS everyone to die).
22 posted on 11/29/2004 2:22:21 PM PST by Shryke
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To: stm
At altitude? Not much. The first round to penetrate the fuselage would probably cause an explosive decompression that would not only suck people out the hole, it could cause enough damage to bring about catastrophic failure of the fuselage.

That is highly unlikely.
Remember the plane in Hawaii a few years ago that lost a large piece of the fusilage and the pilot managed to fly it and land it with the only fatality being someone who was sucked out through the gaping hole.

Bullet holes would cause decompression, but not likely cause catastrophic failure.
A greater danger would be if a bullet punctured a hydraulic line causing loss of control.

23 posted on 11/29/2004 2:26:44 PM PST by jimthewiz (An armed society is a polite society)
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To: Dead Corpse
Learn something about aircraft then come back and continue discourse on this subject

I know quite a bite about aircraft, for a laymen. Where in my post did I suggest explosive decompression? It's is a very practical thing to say that one guy with a handgun is going to have a very hard time disabling an aircraft. It is another thing entirely if the gunfight involved 10 people or more, no? You also discount entirely the fact that terrorists would be able to research schematics on the aircraft, take hostages, etc.

At the VERY best, you would have DOZENS of aircraft landing every week with cabins full of corpses.

24 posted on 11/29/2004 2:27:09 PM PST by Shryke
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To: Shryke

Your argument follows the same line of "logic" as the gun grabbers who say that unlimited carry would turn the cities into Wild West fire zones.

An armed society is a polite society.


25 posted on 11/29/2004 2:29:08 PM PST by datura (It's Time To Destroy The MSM, And Their Politically Correct Ideology/Gay Agenda)
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To: stm

"At altitude? Not much. The first round to penetrate the fuselage would probably cause an explosive decompression that would not only suck people out the hole, it could cause enough damage to bring about catastrophic failure of the fuselage."


...and you got your facts from what movie???


26 posted on 11/29/2004 2:30:19 PM PST by gc4nra ( this tag line protected by Kimber and the First Amendment (I voted for McClintock))
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To: Shryke

99.99%. What are your chances of surviving if your plane crashes into something like the world trade center? A few small holes (.45 or less) wouldn't even effect presurization. One flight had the whole top of the plane missing and landed safely. Only a stewardess was sucked out. All the passengers were fine.


27 posted on 11/29/2004 2:31:15 PM PST by TERMINATTOR ("I believe in background checks at gun shows or anywhere" - GWB)
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To: Shryke

In a very small confined space, it strikes me that the odds of a running gunfight are somewhat on the low side. Even cops hit what they aim at most of the time, and at airplane cabin distances, it seems that the odds would be higher.


28 posted on 11/29/2004 2:32:26 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: TERMINATTOR

Nice cartoon (#5), but where is the token Asian-American, token gay midget and a token disabled activist (for starters)?


29 posted on 11/29/2004 2:33:14 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Dead Corpse
Very good actually. Learn something about aircraft then come back and continue discourse on this subject.

Learn something about how human beings react under gunfire, then come back and continue discourse on this subject.

Statistics from war tell that 80% of the good guys will freeze or act erratically.

The remaining 20% who attempt to act decisively will be attempting to discern friend from foe in a confusing, chaotic mess. They will engage those of the 80% who act erratically, in addition to having to constantly check six to make sure that the bad guys don't have someone waiting for the armed passengers to react. They will be "armies of one," and about as tactically effective.

Meanwhile, the bad guys will have the advantage of superior situational awareness (knowing that your allies are Abu, Ahmed, and Mohammed, and that everyone else is a kuffar, really simplifies the tactical picture).

Firearms favor the few and organized over the many and unorganized. (Note: the American Indian tribes frequently had better weaponry than the US Army, but they still lost.) Better to have the passenger cabin gun-free (i.e., not even sky marshals), and to have the pilots armed and behind a door that takes some time to breach. (Stick firing ports into the door, and you can stack up dead terrorists in front of it all day.)

30 posted on 11/29/2004 2:33:15 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: mvpel
Even cops hit what they aim at most of the time

That is NOT my experience.

31 posted on 11/29/2004 2:33:48 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Shryke

Did you ever hear about the Aloha Airlines Flight(727, I think) that continued to fly when about a third of the top of the fuselage tore off? A couple of people including one flight attendant fell out, but the plane managed to land safely


32 posted on 11/29/2004 2:35:31 PM PST by gc4nra ( this tag line protected by Kimber and the First Amendment (I voted for McClintock))
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To: Shryke

Bravo sierra. Terrorists look for targets of opportunity. Make an aircraft a too pricey target to take, and you eliminate that option. Period. 140 vs. 10 is pretty darn good odds and a damn sight better than the sitting ducks we are now.


33 posted on 11/29/2004 2:36:19 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: TERMINATTOR

Aloha Airlines, April 28, 1988. The roof from just behind the cockpit back to the wing blew off at 24,000 feet due to stress cracks in the fuselage. The plane made a safe landing at Maui, and suffered one dead, Clarabell Lansing who was the chief flight attendant, and 65 injured.

34 posted on 11/29/2004 2:36:32 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Shryke

Right, just like we have dozens of shootouts every week over parking spaces in the states with shall-issue concealed carry licensing systems, eh?


35 posted on 11/29/2004 2:37:41 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Poohbah

Even 51%? ;-)


36 posted on 11/29/2004 2:38:56 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Poohbah
Hey Poobah. Still souring milk for a hobby I see. I guess those poor clods and their "Let's Roll" comment were just hopeless, helpless idiots as well?

Considering how many of us "out here" are former military or retired/off duty law enforcement, your "out of my butt" stats are pessimistic enough to be utterly irrelavent.

37 posted on 11/29/2004 2:38:57 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: mvpel
Right, just like we have dozens of shootouts every week over parking spaces in the states with shall-issue concealed carry licensing systems, eh?

How many people in parking-space disputes are seeking martyrdom and 72 virgins for killing a bunch of kuffars?

38 posted on 11/29/2004 2:39:05 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Shryke
What do you think the odds are of that plane continuing to fly?

Compared to what actually happened? Pretty good.

It never ceases to amaze me how people repeatedly choose the terrorist who will kill them over the well intentioned neighbor who has a remote chance of killing them.

39 posted on 11/29/2004 2:42:28 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: neverdem

Hatfield is the designated TSA BS Spewer. This is all timed to deflect criticism of the TSA for the intrusive searches and heavy handed (pun intended) frisking of passengers. The TSA is totally out of control, but they hope this PR campaign will distract us from demanding accountability. Remember this. The GSA periodically runs tests in which they attempt to sneak guns, knives and other prohibited items through TSA checkpoints. The last statistic I saw was that TSA intercepted these items only 25% of the time. TSA -- our motto is "We get it right one time out of four."


40 posted on 11/29/2004 2:42:32 PM PST by blau993 (Labs for love; .357 for Security.)
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To: stm
The first round to penetrate the fuselage would probably cause an explosive decompression that would not only suck people out the hole, it could cause enough damage to bring about catastrophic failure of the fuselage.

Do you really suppose there is such a shortage of stupidity and ignorance in the world that it is really necessary for you to come here and spread yours around?

41 posted on 11/29/2004 2:44:39 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: neverdem
"A 79-year-old woman was arrested Tuesday at Fort Lauderdale International Airport in Florida after a single-shot Colt Derringer and seven bullets were found in her tote bag."....

While a middle Eastern looking man with a bulge around his chest, shouting 'Allah Akbar', was waved right through.

42 posted on 11/29/2004 2:45:09 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: mvpel
EXACTLY! Only in movies do gun fights at close range involve dozens and even hundreds of bullets flying around. In reality most 'gun fights' don't involve any shots bing fired. Someone pulls a gun or just shows they have one and the 'fight' is over instantly. I really hate it when people in movies standing in a small room unload their weapons at each other and no one gets hit. They whould have to try to miss for that many bullets to miss.
43 posted on 11/29/2004 2:46:07 PM PST by TalonDJ (Wanted: Tagline, must be witty, insightful, and completely unique.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Hey Poobah. Still souring milk for a hobby I see. I guess those poor clods and their "Let's Roll" comment were just hopeless, helpless idiots as well?

No, that was a tactical situation

Guns favor the few and organized over the many and unorganized. Melees without ranged weapons favor sheer numbers.

Considering how many of us "out here" are former military or retired/off duty law enforcement, your "out of my butt" stats are pessimistic enough to be utterly irrelavent.

Please read S.L.A. Marshall's Men Against Fire and rebut the facts contained therein.

44 posted on 11/29/2004 2:48:42 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: TalonDJ
EXACTLY! Only in movies do gun fights at close range involve dozens and even hundreds of bullets flying around. In reality most 'gun fights' don't involve any shots bing fired. Someone pulls a gun or just shows they have one and the 'fight' is over instantly.

So, the terrorists pull their guns...and the fight's over.

45 posted on 11/29/2004 2:49:27 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: TalonDJ
I really hate it when people in movies standing in a small room unload their weapons at each other and no one gets hit. They whould have to try to miss for that many bullets to miss.

You ever see LEO marksmanship?

46 posted on 11/29/2004 2:50:09 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: mvpel
Even 51%? ;-)

Not even that much. Back when cops carried six-guns, that may have been so--but in an era of high-cap autos, they've gone to "spray and pray."

47 posted on 11/29/2004 2:51:36 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: jimthewiz

Yes, the 737 "convertible."


48 posted on 11/29/2004 2:51:59 PM PST by CDB
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To: Poohbah
So, the terrorists pull their guns...and the fight's over.

Yep. We all may as well just friggin' surrender right now.

49 posted on 11/29/2004 2:52:25 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: Poohbah

Self defense shootings are not the same as war. Come back with statistics about how law abiding people that chose to carry guns would react and the numbers will be rather different. Having the 'good guys' freeze up at first is not a problem. That just means either the some other passenger solved the issue before they became un froze and complicated it or else they become on frozen after the terrorist have fully announced themselves and picking targets will be easy. What is better? a hand full of dead terrorists and a couple wounded bystanders or September 11?


50 posted on 11/29/2004 2:52:40 PM PST by TalonDJ (Wanted: Tagline, must be witty, insightful, and completely unique.)
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