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Greens at it again: Recounts filed in Nevada and New Mexico
Cobb ^

Posted on 11/29/2004 2:35:59 PM PST by Next_Time_NJ

With your help, we are standing up for the right to vote, and the right for votes to be counted. David Cobb of the Green Party and Michael Badnarik of the Libertarian Party have filed for a recount of the presidential ballots cast in Ohio, New Mexico, and Nevada, and have filed a lawsuit in Ohio to make sure there is sufficient time to recount every ballot. The initial Ohio recount filing fees and expenses were paid with the help of thousands of small donations from all over the country. We appreciate your support of the recount, and of a more open and accountable vote-counting process.

(Excerpt) Read more at votecobb.org ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Nevada; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: badhaircut; badnarik; desperatedems; greenparty; greens; libertarianparty; looneytarians; lp; nm; nv; ohio; potheads; recount
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Ok so i went to there website to see how they are reacting to the new TRO on the Ohio Recount. This is what i see..

This is now really starting to get annoying. Its not the idea of the recount. Its about spite.. Its about making Tax payers pay for something they cant win. For that simple fact alone it should be illegal.

I REALLY think bush or the Nation RNC or the RNC of those states to go in there and crush these guys. MAKE THEM SPEND THERE MONEY!!

1 posted on 11/29/2004 2:35:59 PM PST by Next_Time_NJ
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To: Next_Time_NJ

let them dream on dream on this is so much fun
we wonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn


2 posted on 11/29/2004 2:37:51 PM PST by italianquaker (CATHOLIC AND I VOTE)
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To: italianquaker

Its not even about we won anymore, its about wasting tax payers money.


3 posted on 11/29/2004 2:38:31 PM PST by Next_Time_NJ
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To: Next_Time_NJ

Let the liberal idiots waste their money on this nonsense.


4 posted on 11/29/2004 2:39:51 PM PST by MisterRepublican ("I must go. I must be elusive.")
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To: Next_Time_NJ

The recounts will be ultimately denied in Ohio because the cost to the counties is not justified by the possibility that the the greens will get anywhere within a lightyear of changing the outcome so that they win. In other words, they have not been harmed, much less irreparably harmed.

It'll be the same in these other states.

Were they close to winning anywhere in the known universe?


5 posted on 11/29/2004 2:41:08 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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To: MisterRepublican

Let them file a recount in every state! lol


6 posted on 11/29/2004 2:41:35 PM PST by bjcoop
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Anyone current on those 2 states election laws? can they legaly file a recount?


7 posted on 11/29/2004 2:41:37 PM PST by Next_Time_NJ
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To: Next_Time_NJ

It's about the liberals trying to sew discontent and create an uprising.


8 posted on 11/29/2004 2:42:01 PM PST by Real Cynic No More (Al-Jazeera is to the Iraqi War as CBS was to the Vietnam War.)
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To: Next_Time_NJ

Someone should check to see where they are getting the funding for these lawsuits. That $12 million Kerry had left over ?


9 posted on 11/29/2004 2:42:36 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: Next_Time_NJ

NADER WON! Okay it's all over.Now just deliver him past the steps into the Whitehouse.He don't need no stinkin badges.They can use more of that sierra club donated money to sue the secret service and DC police.


10 posted on 11/29/2004 2:42:38 PM PST by noodler
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To: Next_Time_NJ

Maybe they can find Elvis too
we wonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn


11 posted on 11/29/2004 2:42:42 PM PST by italianquaker (CATHOLIC AND I VOTE)
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To: Next_Time_NJ

No, the Ohio recount is not being funded by small contributions. A very small part of it is ($ 100,000+ I think I read); the vast majority of the cost will be paid by the Ohio taxpayers. What are these people doing? Why do they have any right to dump this on the people of Ohio?


12 posted on 11/29/2004 2:44:10 PM PST by penowa
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To: Next_Time_NJ

Wouldn't it be refreshing to see the pubbies dig in like this on OUR issues. Watch how villified this group in power will be made by these scum & NO retailiation from the opposition, consequently they continue on with their aagenda. It is not up to Ann Coulter, etal to carry the water for the conservatives while the majority in Congress does nothing more than raise their salaries & secure their jobs.


13 posted on 11/29/2004 2:44:24 PM PST by Digger
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To: Next_Time_NJ
While I can understand that the Libertarians think the GOP is a sell-out to big government, why are they suddenly in bed all over the country with the most socialist big government party?

Can any Libertarians explain?

14 posted on 11/29/2004 2:44:54 PM PST by writmeister
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To: penowa

Thats exactly what im talking about.. New Mexico and Nevada now too..


15 posted on 11/29/2004 2:46:23 PM PST by Next_Time_NJ
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To: Real Cynic No More

"sew" discontent? I always thought sowing discontent was something.They are perhaps really tying it together sew you're correct.


16 posted on 11/29/2004 2:49:16 PM PST by noodler
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To: Next_Time_NJ

Why has no one demanded a recount in PA?


17 posted on 11/29/2004 2:52:15 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Real Cynic No More
It's about the liberals trying to sew discontent and create an uprising.

I have updated my FMCDH (From My Cold Dead Hands) sign-off with the addition of (BITS).....Blood In The Streets, which I foresee coming soon, due to the enormous increase of the Marxist progressive movement being shoved down the throat of this failing REPUBLIC through the Judicial tyranny of fiat law, the passing of unconstitutional laws by the Legislative and Executive branches of our government and the enormous tax burden placed upon the average American to support unconstitutional programs put forth by Marxist ideology.

FMCDH(BITS)

18 posted on 11/29/2004 2:55:29 PM PST by nothingnew (Kerry is gone...perhaps to Lake Woebegone)
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To: writmeister
There is a GOOD reason that liberal and libertarian begin the same.
19 posted on 11/29/2004 2:55:35 PM PST by E=MC<sup>2</sup> (...And on the 666th day, satan created the demonrat party.)
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To: writmeister

I think they've (or at least a lot of Libertarians) have been in bed with the Democrats for a long time. Lots of us began to catch on when what-his-name-the-wrestler was elected governor of Minnesota.


20 posted on 11/29/2004 2:55:40 PM PST by penowa
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To: Real Cynic No More
"It's about the liberals trying to sew discontent and create an uprising."

I don't agree with your interpretation of what is happening here. The way I see it an open investigation of the alleged problems will PREVENT an uprising in the future. I say let them investigate. From what I understand this cost is not borne by the state or the taxpayers, but by those who initiate the recount as it's not due to the "close vote".

There are real problems with the way voting was conducted in some of these places. I have read accounts where they literally found ballots signed by precinct captains in the garbage can outside one Ohio counting facility.

If there are real cases of fraud, intimidation, computer problems, etc... then everything should be done to prevent it from happening in the future.

This is not about overturning the election. Bush won. This is about fixing problems in our election system. Problems that if left unchecked could end up benefitting the liberals you complain so much about - you don't want that right?

As Republicans keep saying, Bush won - so why are so many fighting these recounts and investigations? If the GAO and the League of Women's Voters has come out and said there should be investigations then there is obviously enough evidence of some type of wrongdoing or errors to warrant just concern.

Another point in relation to the elections and these recounts is the fact that if it were all done on paper we would not have any tampering charges appearing in connection with the computerized voting machines. I don't care how dang long it takes to count the votes. Paper ballots cannot be as easily manipulated as a computer database, or scanning apparatus (lint, smudges, etc...).

(BTW - in one precinct in Ohio almost half the votes for Kerry wound up in Badnarik's column due to a database malfunction. What if it were Bush's votes that wound up there instead?)
21 posted on 11/29/2004 2:55:45 PM PST by LibertyRocks
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To: penowa
Why do they have any right to dump this on the people of Ohio?

Because they are liberals. It is a birthright that entitles liberals to spend other people's money.

22 posted on 11/29/2004 2:56:14 PM PST by FreedomAvatar
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To: Next_Time_NJ

I think it is very telling that the 'libertarian' candidate, who supposedly represents a party that is morally opposed to government wasting the money of those who produced it in the first place, is going out of his way to try to overturn the election-- the cost to taxpayers be damned.


23 posted on 11/29/2004 2:57:39 PM PST by Dales
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To: Next_Time_NJ

Hanoi Kerry is not eligble to be a US Senator

let alone President

Contact your current
senators and representatives

and right wing media

and find out why Hanoi Kerry still is in the US Senate.
Demand that this traitor is removed from the US Senate now!

There is no need to impeach him.

He's in violation of the
US Constitution 14th Amendment Section 3
and violation of 18 USC 953
- Private correspondence with foreign governments
and UCMJ Section 904. ART. 104.
- Aiding the Enemy.

Don't be like the silent majority in the 60's and 70's
and turn your back on America and cave in to the anti war minority.
Speak up for America today!

Distribute these url's!

EXPOSE HANOI KERRY!

Full details on these url's!

http://tonkin.spymac.net/hanoikerry1.html

There is a backup site
if the 1st url is unavailable.

http://stophanoikerry.150m.com

Timeline of Hanoi Kerry

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html


24 posted on 11/29/2004 2:58:03 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Why do 99 US Senators allow a traitor in their midst? Why is right wing media silent?)
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To: noodler

Alright, it should have been "sow" rather than "sew". thbbbbt


25 posted on 11/29/2004 3:07:18 PM PST by Real Cynic No More (Al-Jazeera is to the Iraqi War as CBS was to the Vietnam War.)
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To: writmeister
"(Why are Libertarians)...suddenly in bed all over the country with the most socialist big government party? Can any Libertarians explain?

Cause the Republicans keep turning a deaf-ear to our concerns... Do Republicans not work with the Democrats (socialists) on some "bi-partisan" issues? Have you ever had to bite your tongue, or take medicine that tastes bad? It would be very stupid for us to ignore those who agree with us on these issues.

You will never see us agree with their economic goals... You will however see us stand up for a sound democratic electoral process and the right of all people to exercise their right to vote.

It is our ultimate hope that with a truly free and unbiased press, and with secure democratic elections that the Libertarian party could perhaps be an effective force against the tide of socialism in our country.

At least here in Colorado we'd love nothing more than to be the ones arguing with the Republicans in Denver rather than listening to the rantings of the Democrats. [Here in Colorado in 2000 the LP ran more candidates statewide than the Democrats.]

Don't dare use this as a convenient way to label libertarians as "socialists". You do our country a great disservice when you speak this way as most libertarians are very patriotic, and would fight to the death to protect our rights under the constitution. We see socialism as the greatest threat to liberty there is.

So much so that we in fact see a lot of REPUBLICAN proposals as socialist in nature! (i.e.; Bush's New Mental Health Commission and Mandatory Mental Screening of children - sounds vaguely socialist in nature does it not?)

I hope I've explained this adequately enough. If you still have genuine questions please feel free to respond. (o:
26 posted on 11/29/2004 3:10:30 PM PST by LibertyRocks
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To: Next_Time_NJ

Wow. Can you imagine how the suckers who gave money to the Green and the Libertarian Parties must feel? LMAO!!!


27 posted on 11/29/2004 3:12:33 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: penowa

Jesse "the body" Ventura isn't a Libertarian and he never was. Ventura belonged to the Reform Party and is now part of the "Independent Party" which he formed for reform party supporters of he and Donald Trump.


28 posted on 11/29/2004 3:17:10 PM PST by LibertyRocks
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To: Next_Time_NJ

I wish I had kept a post from another Freeper about this subject, but I didn't.

It was classic.

Anyway, the essence of the post was that the longer they count and recount, cry about a stolen election, and refuse to face the fact they lost, the less prepared they'll be when the next election rolls around.

And it's so true. The Democratic party is in disarray. They have no leader. They need a replacement for McAuliffe, but there are factions in the party and who knows who they'll end up with.

Think of it, Jesse Jackson, Badnarik and Cobb are essentially now the voices for the Democrats. It's just too weird!


29 posted on 11/29/2004 3:18:01 PM PST by dawn53
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To: Next_Time_NJ

Yes, and so besides confirming my suspicions that libertarianism sounds so good on paper, but has problems being truly put into practice, it's interesting how when there are about seven days left to play around with the vote recounts, this sudden flurry of suits...like let's set the whiners up with more mythology of how the election was stolen, while doing it in such a way that nothing solid can be done.

There is a strong strain of madness running in this country now...


30 posted on 11/29/2004 3:19:06 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

The suit was filed weeks ago. As usual it's the MSM who missed it...


31 posted on 11/29/2004 3:20:56 PM PST by LibertyRocks
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To: Next_Time_NJ
Don't these Greens have anything better to do... like hugging trees or something?
Don't they realize how many trees they'll kill by filing lawsuits & paperwork demanding recounts? LOL
32 posted on 11/29/2004 3:22:50 PM PST by mysto
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To: writmeister

"While I can understand that the Libertarians think the GOP is a sell-out to big government, why are they suddenly in bed all over the country with the most socialist big government party?
Can any Libertarians explain?"(writmeister)

Great question, worth a re-peat/post. I don't get it either.


33 posted on 11/29/2004 3:22:58 PM PST by Imperialist
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To: Next_Time_NJ

Fine, just remind everyody how it's these fringe political groups that operate as DNC surrogates like to waste everybodies tax money.


34 posted on 11/29/2004 3:23:26 PM PST by Tempest (Click on my name for a long list of press contacts)
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To: dawn53
Then you should definitely support Badnarik in all of this. Maybe then we could defeat the socialists in the Democratic party once and for all. Come to think of it I'd like nothing better than for the Democrats and all these young people in the green party to listen to Badnarik for a while. At least he believes in the Constitution, and is in favor of free trade (not socialism, welfare, and all the other socialistic programs the dems and greens try to advance).

Most of the people I've seen supporting the Greens and the Dems are very under- or mis-educated and have been strung along by their emotions. It has been my experience that when you sit down with them and explain how their programs would actually turn out they are shocked. Republicans on the other hand can't even get them to sit down with them. There is such hatred between the two groups right now. So, perhaps it is a good thing that the Libertarians are involved - a voice of semi-conservative sanity amidst the ravings of the liberal socialists?
35 posted on 11/29/2004 3:26:48 PM PST by LibertyRocks
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To: Imperialist

See the answer to your question in post #26.


36 posted on 11/29/2004 3:27:52 PM PST by LibertyRocks
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To: Next_Time_NJ

37 posted on 11/29/2004 3:29:32 PM PST by Jackknife (.......Land of the Free,because of the Brave.)
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To: Next_Time_NJ
They can file all the lawsuits that they want. The deadline for each state to finalize their appointments of electors is December 7. After that date, they can prove to their hearts content that every Ohio vote for Bush was cast by a Martian: it won't affect the result.
38 posted on 11/29/2004 3:34:10 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Next_Time_NJ

So where are independent conservative groups petitioning for recounts and prosecution of the fraud in WI, PA, and MI?


39 posted on 11/29/2004 3:41:04 PM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: E=MC<sup>2</sup>
"There is a GOOD reason that liberal and libertarian begin the same."(E=MC2) I was thinking that way too about the question, until I remembered that a true Libertarian is supposed to believe in Liberty/Freedom, not Socialism or Marxism. I see your point easily though. As the (Socialist)Democratic party has declared itself the Liberal party as well, maybe we should force them to combine under one name with the Libertarian party so there is less confusion about whose party is Socialist? Is the Independent party Socialist as well?
40 posted on 11/29/2004 3:46:10 PM PST by Imperialist
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To: LibertyRocks

I was late to the party. Thank you for your information. I'm glad to hear the Libertarian party is Patriotic(USA) and not Socialist(Anti-USA), as the Democratic party has become, IMHO.


41 posted on 11/29/2004 3:55:23 PM PST by Imperialist
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To: LibertyRocks

Thanks again. The Country is tense right now.


42 posted on 11/29/2004 4:00:12 PM PST by Imperialist
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To: LibertyRocks

So, how does it feel being used by a bunch of mentally disturbed fascists?

The remaining credibility of the Libertarian Party is fast sinking by Bednarik's antics.


43 posted on 11/29/2004 4:06:37 PM PST by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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To: LibertyRocks

Liberty, that all sounds great, let's count all the votes blah, blah, blah, this isn't to help Kerry Yada, Yada, Yada. So how come the Libertarian party has not filed lawsuits in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan or Minnesota?


44 posted on 11/29/2004 4:06:48 PM PST by sharkhawk (It's 5 O'clock somewhere)
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To: Next_Time_NJ
Don't everybody jump at once, but 'sompin stinks reel bad heer".

I'm one of the 'ignore-yore-rant' red in a blue state voters who dosen't 'unnastan politikin' too good, so somebody got some 'splainin' to do.

I'm gonna advance my own conspiracy theory, simply because it makes no sense for the G or L party to seek a recount...no chance of winning.

Who benefits?

Certainly not the small party, who certainly are less able to bear the incidental costs associated with the recounts.

Series, the dimrats are behind it. This way the recount demands don't look like a bunch of losers repeating 2000 tactics.

This could be hugh!

/laughter
45 posted on 11/29/2004 4:10:01 PM PST by 506trooper (sKerry, sign the d@mn SF180, ya lying ba$tard, my guy did.)
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To: Next_Time_NJ

Kinda funny how the Libs and the Watermelons are fronting this for the Kerry campaign. Though it does explain the stone cold silence from that side of the aisle concerning the election.

Course, they just may be deathly afraid of the recount itself.

Time left to file suit in Chicago and Philly?


46 posted on 11/29/2004 4:15:48 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Got Wood?)
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To: Imperialist

You're welcome. I agree - too tense. That's why I think we should support the recounts and the investigations. It's worth it just to ease these people's minds, IMHO.


47 posted on 11/29/2004 4:21:02 PM PST by LibertyRocks
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To: lavrenti
The remaining credibility of the Libertarian Party is fast sinking by Bednarik's antics.

I first saw Badnarik on tv in a 3rd party debate he participated in at Columbia U. with the Greens, Socialists and Constitution parties. When he spoke, I was very interested in what he had to say, but then he ruined it with bringing up the DEMOCRAT LIE about the draft. The guy is a jerk--Why did he lie unless he wanted to hurt Bush? Now that he's joined in on this recount effort (and again, meant to hurt Bush as it's only in states where Bush won narrowly, but not in those where Kerry barely won) I'll never listen to one word he or his party has to say, ever.

48 posted on 11/29/2004 4:24:31 PM PST by gop_gene
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To: Next_Time_NJ

I doubt it very much.


49 posted on 11/29/2004 4:24:46 PM PST by Paperdoll
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To: LibertyRocks

I'm not into easing their minds. I want these psychos emotionally destroyed.


50 posted on 11/29/2004 4:27:21 PM PST by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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