Posted on 11/29/2004 2:57:11 PM PST by blam
Since the Templars died out in the 14th Century and left no descendants, I think you're wrong.
There are no "Templar descendants".
Since the Papacy in 1307 was pretty much owned lock, stock, and barrel by King Phillip of France, and the suppression of the Templars was his idea, shouldn't they be asking the French government for an apology?
Yep, that was my initial reaction.
The actor behind the whole thing was the King of France, not the Papacy.
I am always amused by the suggestion that while the Templars were TOTALLY innocent and persecuted for merely political reasons that, Oh, yes, "We admire them for being great esoteric masters of the occult and arcane heresies." That really makes a lot of sense. Must be that Duh Vinci code again... You have to drink the right wine out of the right skull at 13 minutes after midnight during a full moon to understand the hidden meaning. [irony]
The Catholic Church and the Vatican were not responsible for that. The torture and executions of leading Templars were the work of Philip IV, king of France, acting on his own. He had a very uneasy relationship with the Catholic Church.
The Vatican later disbanded the order, and issued some statements which diminished their reputation. But followed in the wake of the French govt actions, and did not involve prison and torture.
Must be why you see so many Temples of the Knights Templar all around these days.
</sarcasm>
BTTT
"to apologize for the French Revolution as well".
YES!
AND I would also like France to apologize for Napoleon messing up the calendar from 1798 - to 18something.
Well, there are the Knights of Malta. They stayed true, didn't they?
"Holy Blood, Holy Grail" did not claim that Jesus survived the cross. It suggested that Mary Magdeline, pregnant with Jesus' child, emmigrated to southeastern France and settled there. The rise of the Cathars in that region lend some support to that notion, but, by no means, confirm it.
Since it was an order of celibate monks, any descendants - being bastards begotten through fornication and violation of solemn vows - would be living proof of the charges against their ancestors.
That's my understanding too - that the French King had trumped up charges regarding the occult and homosexuality brought against the Knights Tempalr in order to destroy them and their reputation.
While most of the Templars were killed, some escaped to Switzerland where traces of their philosophy can be found today.
There are no Templars alive today so no apology is necessary.
How would the rise of the Cathari lend support to that crazy notion? Almost every possible negative description of Catharist doctrine was given by their critics - how could they have omitted such a glaringly heretical claim?
Good point. They are asking the Vatican to apologize for what they did NOT do (torture etc) and NOT for what they did do, which was disband the order for heresy . . .
The Jesuits were also disbanded once. THEY were later reinstated. (Tho might be time for another look?) ;)
So the Templars COULD have petitioned for reinstatement later, PROVIDED that their actions and beliefs were compatible with the Church . . . which they were not . . .
LOL! What are you, some kind of trouble maker?? (grin)
I read a book awhile back that claimed the pirates of the carribean were actually remnants of the templar fleet(manned by former knights)...and that columbus sailed to the new world escorted by former templar ships...and that the scottish rite was founded by templars in exile.
It was an interesting book, but i'm not sure I beleive it.
Exactly what Scotland Yard thought.
Luckily, an anonymous tipster warned them in time to save Castle Aaagh.
They might want to put in a request to Scotland for an apology for the rapes of Saxon and Welsh women by Picts as well.
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