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Is it ok to hope anyone is in hell?
townhall.com ^ | 11/30/04 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 11/29/2004 10:32:50 PM PST by kattracks

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To: NationSoConceived

Very well said.


61 posted on 11/30/2004 6:25:56 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
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62 posted on 11/30/2004 6:49:56 AM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: OOPisforLiberals
I simply cannot believe in Hell. Those who do believe in it, in a literal sense have clearly never put much thought into it.

On the contrary, I have put much thought into it and I believe. It is those who reject it because the cultural mores simply won't allow for it that have not put much thought into it. I believe that God exists and that the universe is as He revealed it, not as I wish it would be. His wisdom is infinite ours compared to His is foolishness.

But Hell? No. It has no place in the universe of a loving God.

Sure it does. Just as the pet wrote:

"Sacred Justice moved my architect. I was raised here by Divine Omnipotence, Primordial Love and Ultimate Intellect."
-from Canto three, the Inferno.(The gate of Hell)

The point is that life is short and eternity is long. God gave us the awesome responsibility of deciding where to spend it. He does not send us there WE choose to go there. He has told us and given us all that we need to get to Heaven. Reject God's love and wisdom and you spend eternity with all those who have rejected it as well.

63 posted on 11/30/2004 6:51:32 AM PST by TradicalRC (I'd rather live in a Christian theocracy than a secular democracy.)
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To: kattracks

Only God can judge. It is correct to believe in God's justice, but wrong to believe that we know God's judgement of a person's soul, including our own.


64 posted on 11/30/2004 6:54:36 AM PST by TradicalRC (I'd rather live in a Christian theocracy than a secular democracy.)
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To: kattracks

I hope Tony Orlando goes to hell, god knows he puts us all there.


65 posted on 11/30/2004 6:54:54 AM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Laugh While You Can, Monkey-Boy!!!!)
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To: kattracks

Probably the best that we can do is pray that Yasser (That's my baby! ) Arafat has met with God's full judgement, whatever that may have been. Frankly, it is my sincere hope that St. Peter put him on the express elevator to HELL!!


66 posted on 11/30/2004 6:58:23 AM PST by SuziQ (W STILL the President)
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To: kattracks

The Bible teaches us to not gloat when the wicked fall.


67 posted on 11/30/2004 6:59:54 AM PST by ColdSteelTalon
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To: kattracks
So, of course, I hope Yasser Arafat is in hell. It means that a just God rules the universe.

I see. So unless God conforms to our expectations and puny moral wisdom, he's unjust.

You know, in making ouselves the test of all that's right, and demanding that God himself submit to our judgment, we put ourselves forward as gods in our own right. That's idolatry. It's a choice for ourselves in preference to the true God.

You can go to hell for that.

68 posted on 11/30/2004 7:03:51 AM PST by Romulus
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To: OOPisforLiberals
Overwhelmed yet? That was a brave thing to say. It's good to see that not one person said; "You're going to hell for not believing in hell!" Aint FR great? Seems there's lots of people who want to help you. That's a good thing, is it not?
God is the one who created your mind to use, and yes, even though His ways are not our ways, and the eternity we hope to live in heaven will be spent in ever-increasing knowledge and love for Him...that is, we will never fully "know it all",

you're using your God-given abilities to seek Him, and that's a good thing too.
Consider: Since the wages of sin is DEATH, not hell, the question then becomes; what is "death"?

One of the things about the Bible, is that it is consistent. That's a good thing too, when it comes to your search for knowledge about God, His great love for you. It's we who are inconsistent! But know that He rewards those who diligently search for Him.
My prayer is that you are encouraged to seek Him. Don't give up! His Holy Spirit will guide you....He promised you that.

Death? It's real clearly described. See Ecclesiastes 9:10...."there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, wither thou goest"
9:5 "....the dead know not any thing,....for the memory of them is forgotten." (They - the dead - have no memory. King James way of saying)

Using "logic" is fine. You're supposed to! Then, the descriptions of the resurrection make sense.
Daniel 12:2 "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake...."
1 Thessalonians 4:13-16 But I would not have you to be ignorant (brother!) concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent ("precede") them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first...."

See? I think your logic serves you well. The dead sleep, in what may best be called a dreamless sleep.

As for the "eternalness" of that sleep, see Jude 7, where it is described that Sodom & Gomorrha are "suffering the vengence of eternal fire" Does this mean we could go there, wherever they are(!), to see this burning?
No.
The smoke that goes up for ever from the fire that shall not be quenched night nor day (Isaiah 34: 9 & 10), symbolizes, like it does in Jude, the eternalness of the judgement, the fact of it, not the burning, or suffering itself.

The wages of sin being death, and death being eternal dreamless sleep, and all that....

Take heart! God loves you. Jesus suffered miserably, and died, so that through faith in Him, we could for....ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

69 posted on 11/30/2004 7:37:10 AM PST by 1john2 3and4
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To: kattracks; newgeezer
"If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let them be Anethama(sp)"

Hmmm does this mean that Paul hopes that the lost go to hell? I think it means he is washing his hands of them and is focussing his efforts on the Church. That focus is clearly seen in so many of his writings.

"Judge not lest ye be judged".

Here is a verse that one of the most misused verses of all. Judgement is a good thing all over the bible. Thise one verse, taken out of context by people that have never even read the whole bible, makes people think we are not supposed to have any negative opinions of anyone. Nothing could be further from the truth. Using the rest of the bible to interpret this rules out that idea and leaves us with....hmmm...Don't decide someone is just totally evil and wish them to be in hell.

70 posted on 11/30/2004 7:43:34 AM PST by biblewonk (Neither was the man created for woman but the woman for the man.)
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To: rogermellie
hell was created by god, satan commands hell, satan punishes those sent to hell by god.

satan does not command in hell. Hell is his future punishment, he is not there now. He is the current prince of this world.
71 posted on 11/30/2004 7:52:39 AM PST by Talking_Mouse (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just... Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Cindy

'Simply put, it is not morally correct to wish or hope that anyone and I mean anyone goes to hell.'

I understand your deep reasoning, and it's obvious that you followed Prager's logic and you have refutted it flawlessly.


72 posted on 11/30/2004 9:20:58 AM PST by Sarah
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To: biblewonk
This one verse, taken out of context by people that have never even read the whole bible

Short of the whole bible, simply reading the next verse is enough to clarify the meaning of, "Judge not, lest ye be judged" (Matthew 7:1).

Did you know money is the root of all evil? (Pink Floyd 19:73)

73 posted on 11/30/2004 9:29:21 AM PST by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible, i.e. words mean things!)
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To: SittinYonder

interesting


74 posted on 11/30/2004 9:30:08 AM PST by eyespysomething ("Life has a flavor the prote I'm a tagline virus, please copy me in)
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To: Manic_Episode

Well said...


75 posted on 11/30/2004 9:30:26 AM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: OOPisforLiberals
I view hell as a place where you can see Heaven, and the graces bestowed by God, but you can never reach it. Not necessarily physically painful, but darn-tooting spiritually painful.

I also believe God will forgive anyone who asks Jesus into their heart, and He does weep for those who do not. He would love for all of us to go to Heaven. We are His children, and He wants us home. But like any parent, He has rules we must follow.
76 posted on 11/30/2004 9:35:56 AM PST by eyespysomething ("Life has a flavor the prote I'm a tagline virus, please copy me int)
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To: Biblical Proportions
LOL, you had me going too for a moment.

(so why no photos on your profile page, hmmm? ;)

77 posted on 11/30/2004 8:33:02 PM PST by kstewskis (Political correctness is intellectual terrorism.......M Gibson)
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To: SJackson

bttt


78 posted on 12/01/2004 2:38:45 AM PST by lainde
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