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Posted on 11/30/2004 9:13:08 AM PST by greatful student

BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF THE GRACES GIVEN TO ST. JUDE!!! I am graduating college in three weeks and helplessly began my novena asking for help with a job, someone to sublease my apartment, and help to find a place to live. I had sent my resume out to any place that sounded remotely appealing and only was able to get 2 interviews-one was canceled bc they hired someone before my interview, and the other decided not to hire anyone for another 3 months. I was frustrated...I began my novena and asked for help. one week later I got offered my DREAM JOB for an unexpected salary in the #1 location of my choice. the company said they had been looking for the perfect person to fill this position for 5 months and this was the first offer! that same day I received 2 calls interested in my working for them. 3 days later, a girl whom my present roommates get along with, decided to sublease my apartment! (almost impossible to find anyone to take your lease over because of all the December graduates). now I had an issue of where and who to live with. I had two options of places I found online with girls I had not met. (a few of my friends are moving up there after their graduation-but that wasn't until may) 4 days later I found out that one of my good friends from school had a townhouse built in the area and is looking for a roommate!!!! (St. Jude added a bonus by making it the cheapest rent I could find!) How can my life get in any more order? I have absolutely no clue-but I do know that when it isn't in order, who to turn to. what I am most happy about is that I let go of my will and told St. Jude to help me be where God wants me to be-so I feel that I am in accordance to Gods will. I prayed that what he wanted for me, to "put that desire in my heart." I am just so thrilled! "work like it depends all on you and pray like it depends all on God" THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU ST. JUDE!!!


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1 posted on 11/30/2004 9:13:08 AM PST by greatful student
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To: greatful student

Does this "St. Jude" have a website?


2 posted on 11/30/2004 9:14:30 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: greatful student

You just graduated from college, yet you don't know the proper way to spell "grateful"?


3 posted on 11/30/2004 9:16:11 AM PST by Ex-Dem (AFL-CIO - Where organized labor becomes organized crime.)
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To: dead
It's at the Jude Ranch.
4 posted on 11/30/2004 9:16:11 AM PST by johniegrad
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To: greatful student

It's all downhill from here.


5 posted on 11/30/2004 9:16:33 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (I'm here because I'm not all there.)
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To: Constitution Day; martin_fierro; EggsAckley

Ahem...


6 posted on 11/30/2004 9:17:38 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (I'm here because I'm not all there.)
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To: greatful student

You have to put vanity in your title, and this is your profile page.

Haven't lurked long, have you?


7 posted on 11/30/2004 9:19:15 AM PST by eyespysomething ("Life has a flavor the proteI'm a tagline virus, please copy me in)
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To: greatful student
I am graduating college in three weeks and helplessly began my novena asking for help with a job

What's a novena? Also, what college are you graduating from? Is St. Jude a college? Is it a place? Or are you talking about the actual Saint?

8 posted on 11/30/2004 9:20:31 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along)
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To: Rodney King

St. Jude is the patron saiiint of those who are hopeless, of lost causes, etc.


9 posted on 11/30/2004 9:23:07 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: greatful student
Althogh I am a Catholic I have never accepted the Church's embrace of Saints. I am devoutly monotheistic.

I do not doubt that God has often chosen to act through special people and that these people are somewhat blessed. I do not accept that they continue to act from Heaven with the powers of God.

The practice of revering and worshiping "Saints" is a continuation of Roman culture in which there were literally hundreds of minor dieties, household gods and gods of special causes.

10 posted on 11/30/2004 9:23:52 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Miss Marple

OK thanks. What's a novena?


11 posted on 11/30/2004 9:24:53 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along)
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To: greatful student
Na, na, na, na, nananana, nananana, Hey Jude,
Jude,Jude,Jude, Judah-Jude, Jude,Jude,Jude, Judah-Jude,Jude,Jude,Jude, Judah-Jude,Jude,Jude,Jude, Judah-Jude,Jude,Jude,Jude, Judah-Jude,Jude,Jude,Jude, Judah-Jude,Jude,Jude,Jude, Judah-Jude,Jude,Jude,Jude, Judah-Jude,Jude,Jude,Jude, Judah-Jude,Jude,Jude,Jude, Judah-Jude...
12 posted on 11/30/2004 9:27:11 AM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Natural Law

well, strictly speaking, the saint is supposed to intercede (pray) with God on your behalf, and the actions are God's.

But it is true that many people pray directly to the saints instead of asking for intercession, and some things to my mind are downright pagan superstitions, like burying a statue of Saint Joseph head down in your yard to sell your house.

But I have asked saints to pray for me, for spiritual matters, in the same way you would ask a friend on earth to pray for you.


13 posted on 11/30/2004 9:30:42 AM PST by heartwood
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To: Natural Law

All power comes from God. But He sometimes chooses to work through men. He demonstrably does so in this world, and there's no reason why He might not choose to do so in the next.


14 posted on 11/30/2004 9:30:54 AM PST by Cicero (Nil illegitemus carborundum est)
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To: Rodney King

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11141b.htm


15 posted on 11/30/2004 9:31:22 AM PST by animoveritas (Dispersit superbos mente cordis sui)
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To: Natural Law
I do not accept that they continue to act from Heaven with the powers of God.

Do you think they love you less in heaven, in the very embrace of God who, Scripture says, is love, than they did on earth? Sounds unlikely to me.

You may call yourself a Catholic, but you're not really happy with the full richness of the Catholic faith.

16 posted on 11/30/2004 9:31:29 AM PST by Campion
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To: Natural Law

"...Althogh I am a Catholic I have never accepted the Church's embrace of Saints. I am devoutly monotheistic...."

Good for you. Who cares?


17 posted on 11/30/2004 9:32:43 AM PST by irish_links
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To: greatful student

You should have asked for more.


18 posted on 11/30/2004 9:34:36 AM PST by John Robertson
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To: greatful student

Good Lord!!!!!


19 posted on 11/30/2004 9:35:11 AM PST by Mears
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To: Miss Marple; Rodney King; Tijeras_Slim
St. Jude is the patron saiiint of those who are hopeless, of lost causes, etc.

Then he's the perfect one to petition for help with spelling and capitalization.

20 posted on 11/30/2004 9:35:29 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: greatful student

I've prayed to St. Jude all my life. He has never let me down.


21 posted on 11/30/2004 9:36:05 AM PST by tazannie
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To: Ex-Dem

It boggles the mind doesn't it?

Maybe she'll get a cheese "greater" for her new apartment.


22 posted on 11/30/2004 9:37:09 AM PST by Mears
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To: greatful student
Spell check is our FRiend
23 posted on 11/30/2004 9:37:25 AM PST by scott0347 (Commander of the 0347th Lancer Brigade, Operator of the Immaculate Steamroller)
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To: hellinahandcart; Constitution Day; greatful student
Then he's the perfect one to petition for help with spelling and capitalization.

i begg you,,,, do not be ensnared by these helish devices.

24 posted on 11/30/2004 9:43:20 AM PST by dighton
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To: hellinahandcart
LOL! Sorry...I am on my son's computer and the keyboard does strange things sometimes.

However, I do not see where I goofed on capitalization.

25 posted on 11/30/2004 9:46:32 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple

Not you, silly, greatful student! :P


26 posted on 11/30/2004 9:48:02 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: greatful student; MEG33; dubyaismypresident; 4mycountry; Pan_Yans Wife; Charlie OK; E Rocc; ...
Cat has somebody's tongue ping......
27 posted on 11/30/2004 10:01:55 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (****We won - - - you lost - - - - GET OVER IT!!****)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Hmmmmm.........


28 posted on 11/30/2004 10:04:44 AM PST by EggsAckley (...............stop unnecessary excerpting.................)
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To: Natural Law
Although I am a Catholic I have never accepted the Church's embrace of Saints. I am devoutly monotheistic. I do not doubt that God has often chosen to act through special people and that these people are somewhat blessed. I do not accept that they continue to act from Heaven with the powers of God.

Although Catholic, I do not think you understand the Cathoic teaching on the subject. The Catholic church is monotheistic. The Catholic Church does not worship Saints or even believe that the Saints are themselves acting from heaven.

A novena (from the Latin for nine each) is a devotion in which nine days are set apart for prayer to God, Our Lady, or a particular Saint for a certain intention (a person or object for which prayer or Mass is offered). The first novena was the nine-day period from the Ascension of Our Lord till the Descent of the Holy Spirit, during which time the Apostles waited in Jerusalem for the "promise of [the] Father" (Lk 24:49). A novena concentrates our attention, increases our zeal, and strengthens our faith, that God will grant our petitions according to His will.

Catholics pray to Saints not as if they were praying to God, but to ask the Saints to add their powerful prayers to our own. It's not much different from asking friends to pray for you, except these friends are in heaven, see God, and are very close to Him.

Catholics have a Saint associated with categories into which most intentions fit (for lost things, recovery from illness, childbirth, students, policemen, etc.) because these particular Saints had something in their own lives that may make them sympathetic to our request. Over a period of time, when numerous people seem to benefit from asking a certain Saint for the same thing, that helps to solidify the association of the Saint with that particular intention.

Catholics believe that we are obliged to pray for each other, not only in this world, but in the next. Christians on reaching heaven don't forget the needs of those they have left behind. Otherwise, they would be less charitable in heaven than they were on earth. They know our needs and our prayers, because God reveals to them what they need to know to do us good. Praying to a Saint is not the same thing as praying to God. It is not worship, but asking someone close to God to intercede for us.

As to the foundation of the Catholic belief, the Bible directs us to invoke those in heaven and ask them to pray with us. Thus in Psalm 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will!" (Ps. 103:20-21). And in Psalm 148 we pray, "Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him in the heights! Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his host!" (Ps. 148:1-2)

Not only do those in heaven pray with us, they also pray for us. In Revelation, John sees that "the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints" (Rev. 5:8). Thus the saints in heaven offer to God the prayers of the saints on earth.

Angels do the same thing: "[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God" (Rev. 8:3-4).

Jesus himself warned us not to mess with small children because their guardian angels have guaranteed intercessory access to the Father: "See that you do not despise one of these little ones; for I tell you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father who is in heaven." (Matt. 18:10).

Because he is the only God-man, Jesus is the only Mediator between man and God (1 Tim. 2:5), but this in no way means we cannot or should not ask our fellow Christians to pray with us and for us (1 Tim. 2:1-4), including those Christians in heaven, who have already had their sanctification completed, for "[t]he prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects" (Jas. 5:16).

29 posted on 11/30/2004 10:05:50 AM PST by Armando Guerra
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To: greatful student

Do you think Jude could get a pancake for that bunny's head?


30 posted on 11/30/2004 10:07:08 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: greatful student

Kind of sad, you have put your faith in a dead man, not in Christ Jesus! The bible is very clear, that we are not to put our trust/faith in man, only in God. If you went to this man's grave sight, and dug up his coffin, you would find a complete set of skeletol remains, but if you went to the tomb of Jesus Christ, you would see that it is empty. That is who we are to put our trust in, our faith in. The name above every other name, our Lord and Savior, our Redemmer, our Lord God! amen


31 posted on 11/30/2004 10:32:59 AM PST by ibtheman
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To: scott0347

And Spell Chex is a new cereal by Kellogg.


32 posted on 11/30/2004 10:38:04 AM PST by Lunkhead_01
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To: Natural Law
I have prayed to the Virgin De Guadalupe several times and she has helped me more than I deserve...
33 posted on 11/30/2004 10:42:47 AM PST by todd1
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To: ibtheman
Kind of sad, you have put your faith in a dead man, not in Christ Jesus!

I think that we should set up a special place for anti-Catholics to gather, you seem terribly keen to waltz into each and every Catholic thread and spout nonsense (e.g. that devotion to the Saints is putting faith in dead men). One would have thought that you have better things to do with your time.

Giving public thanks for favours granted by God, through the intercession of S. Jude is a well established practice. One frequently sees little adverts in newspapers saying this. My day was brightened by this story, and my faith in God deepened.

As for you statement it is the pinnacle of fatuous nonsense. I put my faith in God, yet am happy to rely on British Telecom to provide by telephone line, I also rely on Thames Water to fill the taps, this does not detract from faith in God, nor from acknowledgement of Him as the ultimate source of everything that is. Just as He allows humans to create utility companies to aid our lives, so He listens to the prayers of His Saints and through those Saints grants to faithful Christians that which they desire (if it is according to His most gracious will).
34 posted on 11/30/2004 10:48:12 AM PST by tjwmason ("For he himself has said it, And it's greatly to his credit, That he is an Englishman!")
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To: tjwmason

Thank you (o:


35 posted on 11/30/2004 10:53:01 AM PST by todd1
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To: heartwood
Not meaning any offense...

but why do you think saints (who are dead) can hear you - or have more "pull" with God than you?

I would be especially curious as to any Biblical passages that you point to that teach praying to saints or give an example of someone praying to a saint. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any.

best, AMPU

36 posted on 11/30/2004 11:23:22 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: greatful student

You're welcome, dood!
37 posted on 11/30/2004 11:39:47 AM PST by anonymous_user
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
but why do you think saints (who are dead) can hear you - or have more "pull" with God than you?

Why do you think saints are dead?

SD

38 posted on 11/30/2004 11:59:49 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: Natural Law
The practice of revering and worshiping "Saints" is a continuation of Roman culture in which there were literally hundreds of minor dieties, household gods and gods of special causes.

The following is an excerpt from the Catholic Answers Web Site, and explains there is a biblical basis for the belief in, and value of, the prayers of the Saints in heaven.

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In Heaven and On Earth

The Bible directs us to invoke those in heaven and ask them to pray with us. Thus in Psalms 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will!" (Ps. 103:20-21). And in Psalms 148 we pray, "Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him in the heights! Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his host!" (Ps. 148:1-2).

Not only do those in heaven pray with us, they also pray for us. In the book of Revelation, we read: "[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God" (Rev. 8:3-4).

And those in heaven who offer to God our prayers aren’t just angels, but humans as well. John sees that "the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints" (Rev. 5:8). The simple fact is, as this passage shows: The saints in heaven offer to God the prayers of the saints on earth.

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39 posted on 11/30/2004 12:00:16 PM PST by power2 (JMJ)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

The bible isn't the only word of God...

Also, Jesus had many conversations with his apostles that were not written in the bible 60 years after his death..


40 posted on 11/30/2004 12:26:15 PM PST by todd1
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To: SoothingDave
SD,

If you want to be literal, let's be literal. The physically dead, but spiritually alive saints. I hope this specificity will allow you to provide a good answer not. :-) ampu

41 posted on 11/30/2004 12:52:52 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Unnngh.


42 posted on 11/30/2004 12:53:46 PM PST by martin_fierro (00111100 00100000 01111100 00111010 00101001 01111110)
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To: todd1
I agree that Christ said many things that weren't written down, but since we don't know what they were... we have been entrusted with a completed Cannon of the Bible with everything God wants us to know.

... so back to my questions please, if you care to participate in the discussion.

best, ampu

43 posted on 11/30/2004 12:55:08 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Campion
I only accept that all devine power comes from a single omnipotent Deity, hence the monotheistic reference. I do not accept the eternal soul of a human as having any powers unto itself that are equal to or independent of God.
44 posted on 11/30/2004 1:02:04 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: power2
P2,

Your post is very interesting.

While the first part of your post, quoting Psalms 103 doesn't "directs us to invoke those in heaven and ask them to pray with us", it is the second part I was intrigued by. I agree, incidently that those in heaven, saints and angels praise God.

Revelation is interesting ...

Let's assume your statement is correct... "The simple fact is, as this passage shows: The saints in heaven offer to God the prayers of the saints on earth."

We are still left with the argument from nothing that we should pray to saints who are now in heaven.

We are to pray to God alone.

best to you, ampu

45 posted on 11/30/2004 1:02:20 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Armando Guerra

I am aware of the Catholic Doctrine but also aware of it's contradictions. I do not feel the need to pray to a saint when a prayer to an omnipotent God is an option. If you have any questions, please look up the definition of "omnipotent".


46 posted on 11/30/2004 1:10:49 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: power2

Don't get me started on the Book of Revelations. I find Bishops of Nicene even less devine than many of the saints.


47 posted on 11/30/2004 1:12:52 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
If you want to be literal, let's be literal. The physically dead, but spiritually alive saints.

Fine. So why don't you believe the spiritually alive saints can hear us?

SD

48 posted on 11/30/2004 1:17:46 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Scripture indicates, those in heaven are aware of the prayers of those on earth. This can be seen, for example, in Revelation 5:8, where John depicts the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of "golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints." But if the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God, then they must be aware of our prayers. They are aware of our petitions and present them to God by interceding for us.


49 posted on 11/30/2004 1:28:57 PM PST by todd1
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To: Natural Law
I only accept that all devine power comes from a single omnipotent Deity, hence the monotheistic reference. I do not accept the eternal soul of a human as having any powers unto itself that are equal to or independent of God.

No Catholic posits that an human saint has any powers "independent" of God. And certainly no one thinks that any human or any other created being is "equal" to God.

You should study what the Faith teaches about saints sometime. They are not free agents. They won't thwart God to do their own will. You're not getting your prayer answered by Jude if God does not will it to be.

One can logically dispense with the saints as "superfluous." But that's kind of the point. They are a special gift God has given us, above and beyond what is merely "necessary."

Furthermore, we are called into a relationship not only with God, but with the entire family of people He has gathered to Him. To dismiss those who died before us as unnecessary is like going to Thanksgiving dinner and only talking to your father. Cousins and uncles and aunts are so unnecessary in order to talk to your father. But you can not truly know him unless you know his family.

SD

50 posted on 11/30/2004 1:29:56 PM PST by SoothingDave
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