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Posted on 11/30/2004 9:13:08 AM PST by greatful student
BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF THE GRACES GIVEN TO ST. JUDE!!! I am graduating college in three weeks and helplessly began my novena asking for help with a job, someone to sublease my apartment, and help to find a place to live. I had sent my resume out to any place that sounded remotely appealing and only was able to get 2 interviews-one was canceled bc they hired someone before my interview, and the other decided not to hire anyone for another 3 months. I was frustrated...I began my novena and asked for help. one week later I got offered my DREAM JOB for an unexpected salary in the #1 location of my choice. the company said they had been looking for the perfect person to fill this position for 5 months and this was the first offer! that same day I received 2 calls interested in my working for them. 3 days later, a girl whom my present roommates get along with, decided to sublease my apartment! (almost impossible to find anyone to take your lease over because of all the December graduates). now I had an issue of where and who to live with. I had two options of places I found online with girls I had not met. (a few of my friends are moving up there after their graduation-but that wasn't until may) 4 days later I found out that one of my good friends from school had a townhouse built in the area and is looking for a roommate!!!! (St. Jude added a bonus by making it the cheapest rent I could find!) How can my life get in any more order? I have absolutely no clue-but I do know that when it isn't in order, who to turn to. what I am most happy about is that I let go of my will and told St. Jude to help me be where God wants me to be-so I feel that I am in accordance to Gods will. I prayed that what he wanted for me, to "put that desire in my heart." I am just so thrilled! "work like it depends all on you and pray like it depends all on God" THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU ST. JUDE!!!
Does this "St. Jude" have a website?
You just graduated from college, yet you don't know the proper way to spell "grateful"?
It's all downhill from here.
You have to put vanity in your title, and this is your profile page.
Haven't lurked long, have you?
What's a novena? Also, what college are you graduating from? Is St. Jude a college? Is it a place? Or are you talking about the actual Saint?
St. Jude is the patron saiiint of those who are hopeless, of lost causes, etc.
I do not doubt that God has often chosen to act through special people and that these people are somewhat blessed. I do not accept that they continue to act from Heaven with the powers of God.
The practice of revering and worshiping "Saints" is a continuation of Roman culture in which there were literally hundreds of minor dieties, household gods and gods of special causes.
OK thanks. What's a novena?
well, strictly speaking, the saint is supposed to intercede (pray) with God on your behalf, and the actions are God's.
But it is true that many people pray directly to the saints instead of asking for intercession, and some things to my mind are downright pagan superstitions, like burying a statue of Saint Joseph head down in your yard to sell your house.
But I have asked saints to pray for me, for spiritual matters, in the same way you would ask a friend on earth to pray for you.
All power comes from God. But He sometimes chooses to work through men. He demonstrably does so in this world, and there's no reason why He might not choose to do so in the next.
Do you think they love you less in heaven, in the very embrace of God who, Scripture says, is love, than they did on earth? Sounds unlikely to me.
You may call yourself a Catholic, but you're not really happy with the full richness of the Catholic faith.
"...Althogh I am a Catholic I have never accepted the Church's embrace of Saints. I am devoutly monotheistic...."
Good for you. Who cares?
You should have asked for more.
Then he's the perfect one to petition for help with spelling and capitalization.
I've prayed to St. Jude all my life. He has never let me down.
It boggles the mind doesn't it?
Maybe she'll get a cheese "greater" for her new apartment.
i begg you,,,, do not be ensnared by these helish devices.
However, I do not see where I goofed on capitalization.
Not you, silly, greatful student! :P
Although Catholic, I do not think you understand the Cathoic teaching on the subject. The Catholic church is monotheistic. The Catholic Church does not worship Saints or even believe that the Saints are themselves acting from heaven.
A novena (from the Latin for nine each) is a devotion in which nine days are set apart for prayer to God, Our Lady, or a particular Saint for a certain intention (a person or object for which prayer or Mass is offered). The first novena was the nine-day period from the Ascension of Our Lord till the Descent of the Holy Spirit, during which time the Apostles waited in Jerusalem for the "promise of [the] Father" (Lk 24:49). A novena concentrates our attention, increases our zeal, and strengthens our faith, that God will grant our petitions according to His will.
Catholics pray to Saints not as if they were praying to God, but to ask the Saints to add their powerful prayers to our own. It's not much different from asking friends to pray for you, except these friends are in heaven, see God, and are very close to Him.
Catholics have a Saint associated with categories into which most intentions fit (for lost things, recovery from illness, childbirth, students, policemen, etc.) because these particular Saints had something in their own lives that may make them sympathetic to our request. Over a period of time, when numerous people seem to benefit from asking a certain Saint for the same thing, that helps to solidify the association of the Saint with that particular intention.
Catholics believe that we are obliged to pray for each other, not only in this world, but in the next. Christians on reaching heaven don't forget the needs of those they have left behind. Otherwise, they would be less charitable in heaven than they were on earth. They know our needs and our prayers, because God reveals to them what they need to know to do us good. Praying to a Saint is not the same thing as praying to God. It is not worship, but asking someone close to God to intercede for us.
As to the foundation of the Catholic belief, the Bible directs us to invoke those in heaven and ask them to pray with us. Thus in Psalm 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will!" (Ps. 103:20-21). And in Psalm 148 we pray, "Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him in the heights! Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his host!" (Ps. 148:1-2)
Not only do those in heaven pray with us, they also pray for us. In Revelation, John sees that "the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints" (Rev. 5:8). Thus the saints in heaven offer to God the prayers of the saints on earth.
Angels do the same thing: "[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God" (Rev. 8:3-4).
Jesus himself warned us not to mess with small children because their guardian angels have guaranteed intercessory access to the Father: "See that you do not despise one of these little ones; for I tell you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father who is in heaven." (Matt. 18:10).
Because he is the only God-man, Jesus is the only Mediator between man and God (1 Tim. 2:5), but this in no way means we cannot or should not ask our fellow Christians to pray with us and for us (1 Tim. 2:1-4), including those Christians in heaven, who have already had their sanctification completed, for "[t]he prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects" (Jas. 5:16).
Do you think Jude could get a pancake for that bunny's head?
Kind of sad, you have put your faith in a dead man, not in Christ Jesus! The bible is very clear, that we are not to put our trust/faith in man, only in God. If you went to this man's grave sight, and dug up his coffin, you would find a complete set of skeletol remains, but if you went to the tomb of Jesus Christ, you would see that it is empty. That is who we are to put our trust in, our faith in. The name above every other name, our Lord and Savior, our Redemmer, our Lord God! amen
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Thank you (o:
but why do you think saints (who are dead) can hear you - or have more "pull" with God than you?
I would be especially curious as to any Biblical passages that you point to that teach praying to saints or give an example of someone praying to a saint. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any.
Why do you think saints are dead?
The following is an excerpt from the Catholic Answers Web Site, and explains there is a biblical basis for the belief in, and value of, the prayers of the Saints in heaven.
In Heaven and On Earth
The Bible directs us to invoke those in heaven and ask them to pray with us. Thus in Psalms 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will!" (Ps. 103:20-21). And in Psalms 148 we pray, "Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him in the heights! Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his host!" (Ps. 148:1-2).
Not only do those in heaven pray with us, they also pray for us. In the book of Revelation, we read: "[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God" (Rev. 8:3-4).
And those in heaven who offer to God our prayers arent just angels, but humans as well. John sees that "the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints" (Rev. 5:8). The simple fact is, as this passage shows: The saints in heaven offer to God the prayers of the saints on earth.
The bible isn't the only word of God...
Also, Jesus had many conversations with his apostles that were not written in the bible 60 years after his death..
If you want to be literal, let's be literal. The physically dead, but spiritually alive saints. I hope this specificity will allow you to provide a good answer not. :-) ampu
... so back to my questions please, if you care to participate in the discussion.
Your post is very interesting.
While the first part of your post, quoting Psalms 103 doesn't "directs us to invoke those in heaven and ask them to pray with us", it is the second part I was intrigued by. I agree, incidently that those in heaven, saints and angels praise God.
Revelation is interesting ...
Let's assume your statement is correct... "The simple fact is, as this passage shows: The saints in heaven offer to God the prayers of the saints on earth."
We are still left with the argument from nothing that we should pray to saints who are now in heaven.
We are to pray to God alone.
best to you, ampu
I am aware of the Catholic Doctrine but also aware of it's contradictions. I do not feel the need to pray to a saint when a prayer to an omnipotent God is an option. If you have any questions, please look up the definition of "omnipotent".
Don't get me started on the Book of Revelations. I find Bishops of Nicene even less devine than many of the saints.
Fine. So why don't you believe the spiritually alive saints can hear us?
Scripture indicates, those in heaven are aware of the prayers of those on earth. This can be seen, for example, in Revelation 5:8, where John depicts the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of "golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints." But if the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God, then they must be aware of our prayers. They are aware of our petitions and present them to God by interceding for us.
No Catholic posits that an human saint has any powers "independent" of God. And certainly no one thinks that any human or any other created being is "equal" to God.
You should study what the Faith teaches about saints sometime. They are not free agents. They won't thwart God to do their own will. You're not getting your prayer answered by Jude if God does not will it to be.
One can logically dispense with the saints as "superfluous." But that's kind of the point. They are a special gift God has given us, above and beyond what is merely "necessary."
Furthermore, we are called into a relationship not only with God, but with the entire family of people He has gathered to Him. To dismiss those who died before us as unnecessary is like going to Thanksgiving dinner and only talking to your father. Cousins and uncles and aunts are so unnecessary in order to talk to your father. But you can not truly know him unless you know his family.