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Convicted By Suspicion -- Why Scott Peterson May Be Innocent
The Hollywood Investigator ^ | 11/30/2004 | J. Neil Schulman

Posted on 11/30/2004 10:26:51 AM PST by J. Neil Schulman

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To: speed_addiction

Speed, I beg to differ. What we are being asked to believe is that
1) Laci and Scott had an argument (about Amber)-
2) Scott left and went fishing by himself.
3) McKenzie the dog left and went for a walk by himself.
4) Laci (8 mos.pregnant) waited a few minutes and then walked 90 miles to the Bay, tied weights/anchors to her wrists and ankles and threw herself in the water.

Makes sense!


51 posted on 11/30/2004 10:55:56 AM PST by sodpoodle (sparrows are underrated)
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To: elbucko

Don't hold back! ; )


52 posted on 11/30/2004 10:57:30 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (This space is available to advertise your service or product.)
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To: J. Neil Schulman
Sir, with all due respect:

This article proves you are neither lawyer or logistician. Most of us don't get our legal advice from watching old "Perry Mason" shows.

Your article on "Miracle Eye Drops that Cure Cataracts" demonstrates that you are neither physician nor practical. (Just a hint: Phacoemulsification and aspiration, the surgical procedure to emulsify then remove cataracts does not involve the retina nor its blood supply.)

I'm just wondering, as I wait with baited breath to read your "article" on Vulcan Mind Melds," will you soon be selling such Mind Melds on late night TV?

PS, Karl Hess was not the originator of Senator Goldwater's "Extremism...." line.

So far, you're 0 for 3.
53 posted on 11/30/2004 10:57:46 AM PST by MindBender26 (Having your own XM177 E2 means never having to say you are sorry......)
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To: FoxPro
He was not convicted beyond a reasonable doubt

I guess you didn't hear the verdict.

54 posted on 11/30/2004 10:58:39 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along)
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To: J. Neil Schulman
Well, it's a sad commentary on human nature, but I once sat on a jury where the accused, a street punk, thought it was a good strategy to give the jury "Attitude" looks. After an hour, the jury lost patience, and began giving the looks back.

And so terrifying were the looks of the average citizens, homemakers, grandmothers, Joe Sixpacks, that the Accused panicked and plead "Guilty".

Little Blue-Haired old ladies wanted to take him out and string him up from the nearest lampost.

Maybe if Richardson had adopted a more humble or contrite attitude, things would have gone differently. Nobody wins anything by having the knack of making people hate them, and a trial is a particularly wrong place to do that.

55 posted on 11/30/2004 10:59:28 AM PST by Gorzaloon (This tagline intentionally left blank.)
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To: sodpoodle

This man proves the truth of Califormia Drug Rule #1: "Never Buy Drugs by Price Alone. Cheap Is Not Always Good!"


56 posted on 11/30/2004 10:59:56 AM PST by MindBender26 (Having your own XM177 E2 means never having to say you are sorry......)
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To: FoxPro
He was not convicted beyond a reasonable doubt. Therefore he is not guilty and a great injustice has been done, regardless of what actually happened.

Huh? Not convicted beyond a reasonable doubt? What does that mean? Apparently the jury believed that there wasn't any reasonable doubt.

57 posted on 11/30/2004 11:00:40 AM PST by .38sw
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To: J. Neil Schulman

It's such a coincidence that Scott visited the crime scene 5 times in the 2 weeks she went missing even though it was a 2 hour drive away. It's coincidence that when he was arrested he had his brother's passport, $10,000 in cash and died his hair blonde. It's coincidence that he tried to sell his wife's car just one week after she went missing...and tried to sell their home just weeks after she went missing. Give me a break!


58 posted on 11/30/2004 11:02:24 AM PST by sonserae
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To: Dashing Dasher
No, it was Colonel Mustard in the Conservatory with the Lead Pipe.
59 posted on 11/30/2004 11:02:42 AM PST by MindBender26 (Having your own XM177 E2 means never having to say you are sorry......)
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To: MindBender26

I love a good "gang up on the lunatic" thread.


60 posted on 11/30/2004 11:02:50 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along)
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To: J. Neil Schulman

If O.J. is innocent of murdering his wife and that other fellow, given that he abused his wife on a regular basis, then how can Peterson be convicted based on circumstantial evidence? The issue of race is good for one case and not the other?


61 posted on 11/30/2004 11:03:49 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

fer shur!


62 posted on 11/30/2004 11:05:32 AM PST by Laura Earl (1/2way290)
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To: Rodney King

Absolutely, and no one has posted the "Time to get back on the Thorazine" line yet!

How did we know this gent was from California just by reading his first few words??????????

:~)


63 posted on 11/30/2004 11:06:23 AM PST by MindBender26 (Having your own XM177 E2 means never having to say you are sorry......)
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To: J. Neil Schulman
Here's my critique of your work: Weak, at best.

May I suggest that you learn the difference between reasonable and outlandish before submitting your next work for our review.

64 posted on 11/30/2004 11:07:40 AM PST by NautiNurse
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To: najida
I fear that I was turned off by the daily update process too many folks produced as justification for their presence on the air waves.

Consequently, I am not fully up to speed on the details. What little I have heard, despite my best attempts, however, supports this author's take on things. Your response completely misses the point. While he may not have cried and did not take the stand to wail and moan, there is no requirement for him to do either. It is the state's requirement to prove their case. Try countering the author's charge that almost every element of the crime was simply absent, unproven, or unprovable. Then, maybe you have a point.

Of course you're free to have an opinion without being held to "beyond a reasonable doubt." But the jury is not and based on this piece, they may have failed in their responsibility. It definitely wouldn't be the first time and inevitably won't be the last, but we should abhor it, instead of embracing it. Otherwise, any one of us may be the next to suffer for it.

65 posted on 11/30/2004 11:09:51 AM PST by DK Zimmerman
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To: Laura Earl

Pimping a crappy book.


67 posted on 11/30/2004 11:11:42 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (This space is available to advertise your service or product.)
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To: MEG33
The jury heard all the evidence, saw all the evidence , looked at the witnesses and heard their testimony...They found ..........

SCOTT GUILTY BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT

After they removed the ones who thought he was not guilty....

68 posted on 11/30/2004 11:11:54 AM PST by kjam22 (What you win them by, is what you win them to)
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To: BenLurkin

What evidence was there that she was murdered?


69 posted on 11/30/2004 11:12:04 AM PST by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

shameless!


70 posted on 11/30/2004 11:12:37 AM PST by Laura Earl (1/2way290)
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To: .38sw
Apparently the jury believed that there wasn't any reasonable doubt.

The jury convicted him because they hated him, not because they didn't have a reasonable doubt.

This is nearly, literally, a high tech lynching.

I hope you never have to sit in front of a jury that hates you.

71 posted on 11/30/2004 11:13:08 AM PST by FoxPro (jroehl2@yahoo.com)
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To: Laura Earl

yep


72 posted on 11/30/2004 11:14:07 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (This space is available to advertise your service or product.)
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To: FoxPro
This is nearly, literally, a high tech lynching.

I agree. I don't know if he did it or not. It seems likely that he did. But this was a lynching.

73 posted on 11/30/2004 11:14:14 AM PST by kjam22 (What you win them by, is what you win them to)
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To: iconoclast

Could it have been natural causes..Could she have hitched a ride to bay and committed suicide?/..Tune in!


74 posted on 11/30/2004 11:15:42 AM PST by MEG33 ( Congratulations President Bush!..Thank you God. Four More Years!)
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To: FoxPro
The jury convicted him because they hated him, not because they didn't have a reasonable doubt.

How do you know that? Were you on the jury? How do you know that there was reasonable doubt? Were you in the courtroom every day?

75 posted on 11/30/2004 11:16:07 AM PST by .38sw
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To: DK Zimmerman
Try countering the author's charge that almost every element of the crime was simply absent, unproven, or unprovable. Then, maybe you have a point.

Each piece of evidence may, by itself, not prove the murder. The thing is, the jury doesn't view each piece of evidence by itself. It views the totality of the evidence. So, the jury viewed that the woman washed up on shore with cinder block weights. The jury saw the same kind of cement in the boat. The jury saw that the dog was left outside. The jury saw that Scott had lots of motice (financial, romantic). The jury saw that Scott lied about his whereabout the next day. The jury saw that Scott did not remember what he had gone fishing for. The jury saw that he had freswater tackle on his fishing gear. The jury saw that he returned to the scene of the crime five times after her disappearence despite it being two hours away. The jury also saw that Scott talked about his wife in the past tense before her body was found.

Each piece of evidence, by itself, did not prove murder. Viewed in its totality, the evidence clearly proves murder.

76 posted on 11/30/2004 11:16:09 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along)
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To: .38sw

They dont even know how Laci died, for crying out loud.


77 posted on 11/30/2004 11:16:36 AM PST by FoxPro (jroehl2@yahoo.com)
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To: iconoclast
What evidence was there that she was murdered?

Washing up on shore after having been weighted down by concrete is usually a pretty good sign.

78 posted on 11/30/2004 11:17:27 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along)
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To: J. Neil Schulman

Is there a "comedy" section of FR? That's where this should be posted.


79 posted on 11/30/2004 11:17:28 AM PST by Still German Shepherd
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To: MEG33

No, no, no! She was kidnapped and killed by some homeless people hanging out by the river (or maybe it was the satanists hanging out by the river). They kept her until they found out where Scott had been on the day they snatched Laci, then took her to the bay and dumped her. I guess the homeless people used a shopping cart and kept to the backroads to transport her body to the Berkeley marina. I think that the satanists had a tan van they could use.


80 posted on 11/30/2004 11:18:18 AM PST by .38sw
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To: Dashing Dasher

Scott had a perfectly understandable motive for killing Laci rather than divorcing her--if he got a divorce he would still have to pay child support for their son for 18 years. His best legal strategy might have been a 14th-amendment defense (equal protection of the laws): he as the expectant father was not given the same rights to dispose of an inconvenient baby than any expectant mother would have.


81 posted on 11/30/2004 11:18:23 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: sodpoodle

Now that you put it that way - I'm sold.


82 posted on 11/30/2004 11:18:52 AM PST by Dashing Dasher (Bush/Cheney -- Peace through Strength)
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To: FoxPro
They dont even know how Laci died, for crying out loud.

So? Her body was totally decomposed. Are you suggesting that every murderer should cremate his victim and thereby get a free pass?

83 posted on 11/30/2004 11:19:25 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along)
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To: Still German Shepherd

PS to post #79 -- NOT that the Lacy & baby tragedy is funny, but this person's theories sure are. Scott Peterson is guilty and everyone knows it. Time to move on.


84 posted on 11/30/2004 11:20:12 AM PST by Still German Shepherd
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To: FoxPro

Murderers are convicted without the how of death proven..or the where and the why proven...


85 posted on 11/30/2004 11:20:42 AM PST by MEG33 ( Congratulations President Bush!..Thank you God. Four More Years!)
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To: Rodney King

YOu do agree that there were a couple of people on the jury that seemed to not think he did it..... before they were dismissed from the jury? Don't you?


86 posted on 11/30/2004 11:21:01 AM PST by kjam22 (What you win them by, is what you win them to)
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To: SSG USA
The outcome was right, even if the path to it was wrong.

Sounds like CBS's excuse for RatherGate, i.e., The accusation is correct even if the evidence was forged.

87 posted on 11/30/2004 11:21:07 AM PST by bruin66 (Time: Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once.)
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To: .38sw

I am sick I had not mentioned that one...


88 posted on 11/30/2004 11:21:45 AM PST by MEG33 ( Congratulations President Bush!..Thank you God. Four More Years!)
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To: bruin66
Sounds like CBS's excuse for RatherGate, i.e., The accusation is correct even if the evidence was forged.

Interesting analogy.

89 posted on 11/30/2004 11:22:20 AM PST by kjam22 (What you win them by, is what you win them to)
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To: FoxPro
It's pretty good evidence of an unnatural cause of death when you turn up 90 miles away from your home and wash up on shore several months later, with your head and limbs missing. I don't think she went fishing that day, and fell overboard. I also don't think she walked or hitchhiked to the Berkeley marina to commit suicide. Oh, hey! I know! She died a natural death at home, and person or persons unknown decided that a burial in the bay would be nice, so they transported her there.

There have been other cases where no body at all was found, and therefore no cause of death could be established, but a conviction in the case resulted based on, shockingly, circumstantial evidence.
90 posted on 11/30/2004 11:22:26 AM PST by .38sw
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To: kjam22
YOu do agree that there were a couple of people on the jury that seemed to not think he did it..... before they were dismissed from the jury? Don't you?

Yes, that does trouble me. I would not seem so strident in my defense of the system if this author was not so ridiculous as to suggest that there was no motive.

91 posted on 11/30/2004 11:22:48 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along)
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To: FoxPro


You state that the jury convicted him because they hated him - and not because of the evidence...

Being that there is still a gag order...

How do you know what the jury actually believed?
Ouija Board?


92 posted on 11/30/2004 11:23:21 AM PST by Dashing Dasher (Bush/Cheney -- Peace through Strength)
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To: J. Neil Schulman

'...without the prosecution presenting conclusive direct or circumstantial evidence overcoming every single exculpatory scenario by which Laci Peterson might have otherwise come to her death;'

If our justice system were held to that criterion, there would be no guilty verdicts, ever.

Every clever defense council can come up with a circumstance that the prosecution cannot refute.

Could Laci have been abducted by unseen thugs who, for no good reason, abducted and killed her and then tossed her in the bay where Scott was fishing with the wrong gear?

I suppose.

But some explanations just don't make a whole lot of sense.

And that is why we have juries to weight the evidence as best they can.


93 posted on 11/30/2004 11:23:30 AM PST by auntdot
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To: Dashing Dasher

Telepathy.


94 posted on 11/30/2004 11:24:17 AM PST by .38sw
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To: MEG33

Hey, don't be sick about it. We can't all think of everything, right? Just glad I could help with alternative scenarios.


95 posted on 11/30/2004 11:25:02 AM PST by .38sw
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To: Rodney King

This is close to to being a classic: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1290541/posts


96 posted on 11/30/2004 11:25:13 AM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: BenLurkin

Thanks!


97 posted on 11/30/2004 11:26:29 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along)
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To: speed_addiction

This is the only loose end I see in this case---a cement anchor. If Peterson did the killing, why on earth would he keep one cement anchor? Why not dump them all while he's at it?


98 posted on 11/30/2004 11:26:33 AM PST by Graymatter
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To: Conspiracy Guy
Don't hold back! ; )

elbucko is not State Department material. What's worse, he doesn't care.

..;^)

99 posted on 11/30/2004 11:28:08 AM PST by elbucko (Feral Republican)
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To: Graymatter
This is the only loose end I see in this case---a cement anchor. If Peterson did the killing, why on earth would he keep one cement anchor? Why not dump them all while he's at it?

People in the midst of a murder/cover up don't always act completely rationally.

100 posted on 11/30/2004 11:28:35 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along)
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