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A Paradigm Shift in Parenting
National Review Online ^ | 30 November 2004 | Stanley Kurtz

Posted on 11/30/2004 2:28:45 PM PST by Lorianne

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To: Dems_R_Losers
Excellent post. BUMP

Our tax policies have forced too many moms to work and too many dads to work more than one job or a job with long hours. Our culture encourages consumption and spoiling of children with too many things that parents feel they have to pay for. Many parents have to work to afford private school because the public schools are so bad. There are many things we could do as a society to help parents be able to spend more time with their kids.

BUMP!!!!!!

21 posted on 11/30/2004 3:28:25 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Fury

>>>I have some real misgivings about the Pre-K concept, but some school administrators swear by the improved results in reading, etc that you see in children who attend Pre-K.

Of course the school administrators swear by it. They get more money for their salaries and the parents still have to subsidize for school supplies.


22 posted on 11/30/2004 3:29:42 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Myrnick

I agree with the tax burden. That was included with my cost of living. I have no idea what you mean by the desire to consume though.

I work from the home so I can be with my children and my husband is struggling with two jobs plus moonlights. Not everyday is a good day either.

When we sit down to do our taxes every year, we NET about half our gross. There is no possible way to put more hours in.


24 posted on 11/30/2004 3:32:47 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Nyboe

um... If most people actually added up the cost of their wives jobs, including everything from work clothes, to gas, to day care, to the higher income tax bracket that the extra job puts them into ...

Most would realize they are working for nearly nothing, and are cheating their children and themselves of the most important moments in life.




Ummmm, wrong.


25 posted on 11/30/2004 3:33:51 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Lorianne; Nyboe

Bumping Lorianne! Thank you. You lent that more time then I did.


26 posted on 11/30/2004 3:35:02 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Dems_R_Losers

Great points, on both of your posts above. I would disagree that the new way is better for men, just better for adolescent, hedonistic, physically mature adolescent males.

My wife is due in March and will have the first 6 months off before she needs to head back to work. I hate the thought of a 6 month old in day care.


27 posted on 11/30/2004 3:35:31 PM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Sam the Sham
The media at the time was full of horror stories about Bettys and Janets who after divorce and community property split were now expected to support themselves at age 50 without any marketable job skills. Younger women saw this and determined never to have their socioeconomic survival dependent on any man's hormones.

Good points.

28 posted on 11/30/2004 3:44:20 PM PST by Amelia
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To: Lorianne

Whatever the merits of the various arguments, this is definitely a debate this society needs to have. We have entirely too many human beings reaching adulthood in a feral state. The time to tone down the savagery is when they're young. About all you can do with adult savages is lock them up.


29 posted on 11/30/2004 3:44:21 PM PST by Nick Danger (Want some wood?)
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To: Fury

My daughter didn't go to pre-K. She started school in Kindergarten.

She's now 10, in 5th grade and brilliant, of course (as many Freepers can attest as I've recounted her comments during the debates and conventions).

:)


30 posted on 11/30/2004 3:45:45 PM PST by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: Lorianne

Bump for later read


31 posted on 11/30/2004 3:46:48 PM PST by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Lorianne

BTTT


32 posted on 11/30/2004 3:48:28 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Calpernia
It isn't just the feminist movement. The cost of living forces families to work multiple jobs to handle all the bills. And that doesn't always work either.What most folks do not understand is that the government CONFISCATES 40% of your earnings. Federal, State Local, phone, cell phone, airport, hotel... TAXES.
33 posted on 11/30/2004 3:49:08 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Dems_R_Losers
write checks for child support instead of taking real responsibility for the children they produce. It's a great deal for men...

As a divorced father whose wife divorced him to go shack up with a loser, AND who stole his son from him, AND as a man who pays child support of over $880 a month and only sees his child FOUR days a month, AND who has been fighting in court for years for custody, let me say this:

You are totally clueless, ignorant and divorced from reality. Your comments are insulting to the tens of thousands of men in my situation. YOU are part of the problem by perpetuating the ignorance and corruption of the "domestic courts". Do a little research before shooting off your mouth.

34 posted on 11/30/2004 3:50:00 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Rick Nash will score 50 goals this season ( if there is a season)
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To: Fury
I have some real misgivings about the Pre-K concept, but some school administrators swear by the improved results in reading, etc that you see in children who attend Pre-K.

That's compared to children who sit in front of the TV, whose parents never read to them, and who haven't even learned their colors or to count before beginning kindergarten.

The children in our family all knew their colors and could count to 10 by the time they were about 2 years old, most were reading by kindergarten, and they also knew shapes, letters, etc.

If you spend time with your children, they don't need Pre-K.

35 posted on 11/30/2004 3:50:05 PM PST by Amelia
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To: Nyboe

Only holds true for spouses with mcjobs. $10hr and under. Doesn't hold true at all for professional couples where both make a decent wage.


36 posted on 11/30/2004 3:52:59 PM PST by Melas
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To: TChris
If pork barrel spending were eliminated and taxation reduced to actual national necessity levels, a second income would be almost universally unnecessary. As it is, combined taxation levels are in the 50% neighborhood for many, and that has real impact on many families.

People don't want to pay their own way through life -- they want everyone else to pay more and more. The name of the game is to be a bigger leacher than leachee.

37 posted on 11/30/2004 4:00:48 PM PST by Siamese Princess
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To: Motherbear

bump


38 posted on 11/30/2004 4:03:16 PM PST by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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To: Fury

If you read to your own children, you don't need a Pre-school teacher to do it.


39 posted on 11/30/2004 4:04:18 PM PST by trubluolyguy (Pajamajadeen?!!? Hell with that, Freep nude!)
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To: Calpernia
Several years ago, the SF Chronicle had a three page story about a (Yeah! the Chronicle) young married couple in Mill Valley who both worked....

The young parents, both liberals, decided that the wife would quit her job and be a full time mother...

The jist of the article was that they could do it on his salary alone by watching every cent they spent. She gave up her car and drove his. He took the bus to work. She gave up all the fancy clothes that she had needed for work. etc. etc. It was a three page story of what we really don't need and how people live outside their budget just to keep up with the Jones's.

40 posted on 11/30/2004 4:06:38 PM PST by OregonRancher (illigitimus non carborundum)
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