TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO DECEMBER, 2004 DAILIES THREAD: NEWS DIGEST & GRASSROOTS ACTIVISM

various sources | 12/1/04 | various sources

[cyn]

Welcome to Terri's December Dailies thread. This is where we place links to other Terri threads at Free Republic and other breaking news about Terri Schindler-Schiavo.

In addition, this is a place to meet and plan ways to use grassroots activism to help Terri's Fight.

If you are a newbie to Terri's Fight, I urge you to visit http://www.terrisfight.org where you can subscribe to their newsletter, can get up to speed on the court cases and the very long struggle.

Please consider joining us. The pay isn't very good lol but it is rewarding to help Terri nonetheless. Terri's life has as much value as anyone else's. The right to die movement needs a counter-balance. That freepers, is where we come in. -- floriduh voter

To help you keep up with most important and breaking news, ping or freepmail Ohioan from Florida and ask to be added to the “ping” (notification) list.

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[Ohioan from Florida]

Glad to see you're peeking in!

[BykrBayb]

Hope is something that cannot be explained. It must be learned. No one can tell you to click your heals three times, and all your problems will be solved.

[Ohioan from Florida]

I'm turning in for the night! God bless you all, and keep you safe! Terri and her family, too!

[Ohioan from Florida]

You understand hope much the same way I do. Many times Life is a great Teacher of things we haven't learned other ways.

[Kitty Mittens]

Anyone who promotes the murder of an innocent woman is not promoting conservative values.

Amen, Bykr Bayb!

Thank you for the Ping, Cyn and Ohio! Praising God for all of you who Love our Terri and Honor our Gracious Lord!

[cyn]

Hi, KM -- good morning prayer bump.

[Chocolate Rose]

A question of human value: Are we all equal?

By Amy Doolittle
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

http://www.washingtontimes.com/culture/20041130-104924-5958r.htm

The question of whether humanembryos should be used for stem-cell research presents Americans with a new phase of an old struggle over equality, says Wesley J. Smith.
"The debate over embryonic stem-cell research is a debate over whether it is important that a life is human," says Mr. Smith, author of the recently released "Consumer's Guide to a Brave New World." "All of these issues that we are dealing with get into the very essential question that I think faces us in the 21st century: Does life have intrinsic value simply and merely because it is a human life?"

The answer to that question, says Mr. Smith, a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute, ultimately will decide whether we look at humans as resources or as beings who have value.
To reach a consensus about embryonic stem-cell research, the public must be able to understand the debate, says David Prentice, scientist and senior fellow for life sciences at the Family Research Council.
"Unfortunately, some people tend to make [the issue] too complex, so the public tends to just throw up their hands and think it's too difficult to understand the science," Mr. Prentice says. "We just need to make sure people understand these terms and what they really mean."
Mr. Smith explained that stem cells are simply cells that have not developed for any specific function, such as the creation of skin, muscle or bone tissue. These cells can be harvested either from embryos or from adults.
To obtain stem cells from an embryo, the embryo must be destroyed. Gathering such cells from adults is harmless, he said.
Americans hear little about adult stem-cell research, Mr. Smith says, despite the great progress it has made in helping patients with diseases such as Parkinson's. Instead, he says, Americans are told about the great potential for embryonic stem-cell research, although scientific hopes are nowhere near being realized.
"We hear an awful lot about embryonic stem cells. We are told by the scientific community that they offer the best hope," the Discovery Institute fellow says. "Well, that is not what the published science is showing. A lot of what you hear from the scientific community is speculation and hope. It isn't based on published science."
Instead, he said, published science shows that in lab tests embryonic stem cells result in two problems: tumors and tissue rejection.
Tumors appeared in mice that were injected with only 1 percent of the normal dose of embryonic stem cells. The problem, Mr. Prentice says, is that the embryonic stem cells don't stop growing.
Tissue rejection can result when the stem cells come from a foreign source. The problem can be prevented with adult stem cells, because they can be taken from the recipient's own body.
Beyond the rejection issue is an ethics question of human value, even where it is generally agreed that life begins at conception. Mr. Smith says the debate has moved from what point a human is created to the basis for human value.
One scientific attempt at resolving that debate, Mr. Smith says, is the "personhood theory," which states: "If one has sufficient cognitive capacity, even if one is not human, then you are a 'person.' If one has insufficient cognitive capacity to be deemed to have sufficient value, then you are a nonperson." Under this theory, he says, "nonpersons" would include newborns, the mentally unstable, and those afflicted with Alzheimer's and other debilitating diseases.
One example of personhood theory in action is the case of Terry Schiavo, the comatose Florida woman whose husband has fought in court to remove her feeding tube and let her die, Mr. Smith says.
"The people who decide [who is a nonperson] never choose themselves as having lesser value," Mr. Smith says, "but beyond that, when we decide that those who we denigrate as having lesser value, for whatever criteria we wish to establish ... it justifies killing, it justifies exploitation, and it justifies oppression."
In the long run, Mr. Smith and Mr. Prentice say, embryonic stem-cell research is not about religion, feminism or even the right of a human embryo to live. It is about the value of all humans, young and old, healthy and ill.
"We have to think about what that does to our perception, not only of unborn life but also of each other, of what it means to be human," Mr. Smith says. "If we can start creating human lives only to destroy them, then what have we done to ourselves, and what have we done to our own sense of the importance of the equality and sanctity of human life?"

[Chocolate Rose]

[b]Terri is NOT comatose! NOT comatose!NOT comatose [/b]

[floriduh voter]

Mornin. BREAKING NEWS RIGHT OFF THE BAT. The Florida Supreme Court lifted the "stay". They are still on board with the hemlockers, imo, it's part of the massive coverup to protect Florida's inept officials who are up to their eyeballs in deception and indifference. Maybe you can make this link look purtier but this first breaks in the Miami Herald, who work with the www.sptimes.com to propagandize for Terri to be executed.

This is the order dated Oct 27th from the Florida Supreme Court recalling their mandate. The motion states that they will re-issue the mandate on Nov 30 if no further stay of proceedings is granted.

http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/pub_info/summaries/briefs/04/04-925/Filed_10-27-2004_OrderRecallingMandate.pdf

FV SAYS: Terri is interactive and in good health, not PVS and it's still murder, no matter what month or year they try to commit THEIR CRIMES.

[floriduh voter]

Liberty IS A CONSERVATIVE CONCERN.

[Chocolate Rose]

High court lifts stay in Schiavo case; no action imminent
November 30, 2004

http://www.tcpalm.com/tcp/home/article/0,1651,TCP_996_3364437,00.html

TALLAHASSEE, Fla.- The Florida Supreme Court on Tuesday lifted a monthlong stay it had given Gov. Jeb Bush to appeal the case of Terri Schiavo to the U.S. Supreme Court, but the decision had no immediate practical impact.

Two days after the state's high court granted the governor's request in late October, a trial judge in Tampa ruled that Schiavo's feeding tube can't be removed until all appeals are exhausted on a request for a new trial. That blocks any immediate action.


The issue for that trial is whether Schiavo, who is severely brain-damaged, would want to live or die.

The issue before the state Supreme Court was a 2003 law that gave Bush the authority to order that Schiavo's feeding tube be reinserted just days after her husband, Michael Schiavo, won court approval to carry out what he believes are his wife's wishes to die.

The state's high court found that law unconstitutional in late September. The monthlong stay it ordered was to postpone issuing the official "mandate" in that decision. The court issued the mandate Tuesday.

Doctors have said Terri Schiavo collapsed from a chemical imbalance due to an eating disorder 14 years ago. She left no written will. Terry Schiavo's parents dispute she would want the feeding tube removed and have fought to keep their daughter alive.

George Felos, a Dunedin attorney representing Michael Schiavo, has appealed the judge's indefinite stay to the 2nd District Court of Appeal. He did not return a phone call Tuesday.

The governor's office also didn't return a phone call for reaction. Attorneys for the governor, however, have said they plan to appeal the state Supreme Court's September ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court.

[tutstar]

Drango trolls. Drango even managed to post a crass comment on a thread about a man who made sure he voted before a surgery after which he died.

Drango can't see that the court is already involved by their actions in trying to end a life.

If a person doesn't have enough quality of life to want to continue to live even if disabled they'll always be on the side of the Felos's of our world.

[floriduh voter]

NUTRITION AND WATER ARE NOT MEDICAL TREATMENT. That is how they are attempting to KILL TERRI. When Terri collapsed, nutrition and water WERE NOT MEDICAL TREATMENT. Terri collapsed in the early nineties.

The law was written calling NUTRITION AND WATER MEDICAL TREATMENT in 1998 or 1999. They reached back to her include her in the new INTERPRETATION so they could take her life.

Governor Bush's email address is: jeb.bush@myflorida.com (please email the Governor).

The Florida Supreme Court is part of the massive coverup, even Jeb's appointees.

[floriduh voter]

Check up higher. Look where the Florida Supreme Court latest Order first appears, the Miami Herald. Further, I have learned that the ACLU has ties to Miami University. The ACLU is helping the husband Michael Schiavo try to kill Terri.

[floriduh voter]

Cynicism and bitterness never helped one human being on the face of the earth. Trolls can be very bitter and I feel their pain.

[floriduh voter]

MIAMI HERALD link: http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/state/10305440.htm?1c

Gotta go, friends. I'll be back later. FV

[floriduh voter]

SUPREME IGNORANCE BY DAVID BASS, WORLD NET DAILY. September 25, 2004 (one I missed when it came out).

To view the entire article, visit

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40619

[Chocolate Rose]

http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/C61544/

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- The Florida Supreme Court on Tuesday lifted a monthlong stay it had given Gov. Jeb Bush to appeal the case of Terri Schiavo to the U.S. Supreme Court, but the decision had no immediate practical impact.

Two days after the state's high court granted the governor's request in late October, a trial judge in Tampa ruled that Schiavo's feeding tube can't be removed until all appeals are exhausted on a request for a new trial. That blocks any immediate action.

The issue for that trial is whether Schiavo, who is severely brain-damaged, would want to live or die.

The issue before the state Supreme Court was a 2003 law that gave Bush the authority to order that Schiavo's feeding tube be reinserted just days after her husband, Michael Schiavo, won court approval to carry out what he believes are his wife's wishes to die.

The state's high court found that law unconstitutional in late September. The monthlong stay it ordered was to postpone issuing the official "mandate" in that decision. The court issued the mandate Tuesday.

Doctors have said Terri Schiavo collapsed from a chemical imbalance due to an eating disorder 14 years ago. She left no written will. Terry Schiavo's parents dispute she would want the feeding tube removed and have fought to keep their daughter alive.

George Felos, an attorney representing Michael Schiavo, has appealed the judge's indefinite stay to the 2nd District Court of Appeal. Felos said Tuesday the latest development removes one impediment from removing Terri Schiavo's tube -- but not the other. Felos said the legal battle would continue until courts stop issuing stays.

Jacob DiPietre, a spokesman for the governor, said Tuesday the governor planned to appeal the Florida court's ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court. (AP)

[floriduh voter]

Sure, the ACLU are like red ants. You can't spray 'em, you can't drown 'em.