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Support of gays pushed in schools
Washington Times ^ | 12/01/04 | George Archibald

Posted on 11/30/2004 10:51:49 PM PST by kattracks

Civil liberties and homosexual rights advocates have renewed their push for community programs to bolster support in schools for homosexual youths, just weeks after voters repudiated same-sex unions in 11 state referendums.
    But in northeastern Kentucky, parents and students have defied the Ashland-Boyd County school district's "mandatory anti-harassment workshops," part of an agreement with the American Civil Liberties Union to allow the Gay-Straight Alliances student group to meet in school buildings.

Hundreds of students opted out of the tolerance training video, and another 324 students did not show up for school the day it was shown. The ACLU has threatened to file for a court order to enforce attendance.
    Joseph Platt, a Cincinnati lawyer representing parents, said "mandatory training on tolerance for homosexuals violates the right of conscience of parents and students who believe such behavior immoral."
    In Charlotte-Mecklenburg County, N.C., a lengthy cover feature in Charlotte Parent, a widely circulated shopper magazine, has brought indignant protests from churches and private schools associated with the Greater Charlotte Association of Christian Schools.


    Titled "Parenting a Gay Child," the feature offered a sympathetic account of youngsters with "same-sex attraction" and advocated community "support services and education" on behalf of homosexual children. The article supported the view of homosexual interest groups that same-sex unions are comparable to heterosexual marriage.


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1 posted on 11/30/2004 10:51:50 PM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks

bump.
read later...


2 posted on 11/30/2004 10:53:36 PM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens.)
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To: kattracks
The ACLU has threatened to file for a court order to enforce attendance.

Sorry, ACLU. You can't force people to be brain-dead, morally-bankrupt Liberals. Now p!ss off.

3 posted on 11/30/2004 10:54:18 PM PST by Prime Choice (I like Democrats, too. Let's exchange recipes.)
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To: kattracks

Not good, and it is quite frightening the direction the PTA is headed as well. Those of you involved with your local PTA fundraisers may want to consider what your donations are being used for.

Graphic info below....

School's Out -- Will the Rainbow Bus Take Our Kids to the Land of Diversity?

Caution: This article contains graphic descriptions that some may find offensive.

By Ed Vitagliano
October 7, 2004

(AgapePress) - Transvestite teachers. Boys kissing boys in restrooms. Teens taught about anal sex. "Gay" fairy tales for children. Could these things actually become a reality in our public schools? The speed of change in our society thus far, driven by resolute homosexual activists, indicates that the answer is most assuredly yes.


Photo Illustration by AFA Journal
In case some people think such projections about the future are a hunk of homophobic hooey, they might want to consider the fact that, in some parts of the country, these things are already happening.

So what changes can be expected, and what would life in our public schools be like if homosexual activists win the culture war? The following are predictions based on current trends.

Entrenchment of 'Gay' Viewpoint
For more than three decades, activists have been demanding that the public school system be enlisted as a primary engine in the effort to normalize homosexuality.

In their 1972 Gay Rights Platform, activists meeting in Chicago, Illinois, demanded "[f]ederal encouragement and support for sex education courses, prepared and taught by gay women and men, presenting homosexuality as a valid, healthy preference and lifestyle as a viable alternative to heterosexuality."

Similarly, in their 1993 March on Washington, DC, activists demanded that such radical instruction be taught on "all levels of education" -- federal, state and local, grades K-12.

Support for the homosexual agenda is already solid throughout the professional education organizations, such as the National Education Association, American Federation of Teachers, American Association of School Administrators, and the National Association of School Psychologists.

The National Parent Teacher Association (PTA) has also made it clear that it supports the normalization of homosexuality within the public school system. In 1999, for example, National PTA President Ginny Markell said her organization would be making available the video That's a Family!, which embraces same-sex families, as part of a nationwide effort to fight discrimination against homosexuals.

At its 2004 conference in Anaheim, California, the National PTA partnered with Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG), a pro-homosexual group, to cooperatively present a workshop that instructed educators about how to promote homosexuality in public schools.

Across the nation, outside homosexual pressure groups are constantly pushing schools to create an environment in which the "gay" lifestyle is celebrated.

Perhaps the most effective of these groups, the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN), says it has almost 70 chapters throughout the nation. The group claims on its website that, by the end of the 2002-2003 school year, 1,864 student clubs -- called "Gay-Straight Alliances" -- had registered with GLSEN.

Other projects, such as the controversial videos It's Elementary and That's a Family!, have been instrumental in instructing public school administrators and faculty how to teach children of all ages about homosexuality. It's Elementary, for example, has been acquired by nearly two thousand educational institutions across the country.

As sympathy for the homosexual agenda becomes embedded in the nation's public school systems, the changes promise to be dramatic. Linda Harvey of Mission America, a pro-family group, predicts that: "School literature will be adapted to reflect a positive view of the homosexual family as a future option for every child. Josh will learn that he can grow up and marry a girl or a boy. And since at age six he probably hasn't yet discovered his sexual 'identity,' the fair thing will be to present all angles to him in language, health, music and social studies."

Opposition Will Be Squelched
If the celebration of homosexuality is one side of the public school coin, the other side will be the denigration of opposing views. And when those contrary views are rooted in Christian beliefs, the antagonism that arises from "gay" sympathizers will be even more vigorous.

For example, at Arcata High School in Arcata, California, Christian students in that public school were ridiculed for their beliefs about homosexuality in a sex education lesson. Led by a representative of Planned Parenthood, students were told to stand in a circle and were asked, "Do you have a religious belief about homosexuality that considers it a sin and wrong?" Those who did were told they had to remain alone in the circle.

The representative admitted that "the children who answered 'yes' had to stay in the circle. This caused them to feel very demeaned, put down."

In St. Paul, Minnesota, 16-year-old Elliott Chambers was ordered by his principal to stop wearing a sweatshirt that simply said "Straight Pride" on the front, and contained the image of a man and woman holding hands on the back.

And during a planned, day-long protest by homosexual students in Boone, North Carolina, three Christian high school students were suspended by the principal because they refused to change their "offensive" T-shirts. The objectionable message? The trio's shirts bore Biblical messages about homosexuality and salvation.

In some schools, where students have been steadily fed homosexual propaganda for years, it is sometimes classmates, and not school officials, who assume the role of persecutors. One woman, whose family had moved from the South to New Hampshire, said her boys were shocked at how they were received.

"My 16-year-old son had to deal with unwanted advances from other male students," she said. When she approached school officials to try to put a stop to the harassment by homosexuals, they refused. "[W]hat happened was the students found out that my 16- and 17-year-old boys were against homosexuality so they were taunted constantly and treated as if they were gay."

Homosexual Techniques Will Be Taught to Students
When homosexuality is accepted in principle, the sexual activities associated with it will be included in public school sex education classes. Frightening stories are already arising that give a chilling glimpse into what would be in store for public school children.

In 2000, the Boston affiliate of GLSEN co-sponsored a conference which gave explicit "gay" sex lessons to kids as young as 14, and then tried to keep that information from reaching parents. The event, held at Tufts University, was funded by the Massachusetts Department of Education. Lecturers explained to participants about different homosexual practices, including "fisting," the homosexual practice of inserting one's fist and forearm into the anus of another man. [See related article -- CAUTION: LINKED ARTICLE CONTAINS GRAPHIC DESCRIPTIONS]

In Vermont another "gay" group, called Outright Vermont, has been pushing the homosexual agenda in schools -- also at taxpayer expense. According to its own documents, Outright Vermont has used taxpayer money to provide "safer sex activities" and "parties" for teens, including "demonstrations, guided practice and skill evaluation" for the use of prophylactics, and the distribution of free condoms, lubricants for sexual intercourse between males, "dental dams" for oral sex between lesbians, and latex gloves for mutual masturbation between homosexual teenagers. In 2000 alone, the number of such items requested by Outright Vermont for distribution to teens was scandalous: 5,000 condoms, 750 dental dams, 750 latex gloves, and 2,000 packets of lubricant. [See related article -- CAUTION: LINKED ARTICLE CONTAINS GRAPHIC DESCRIPTIONS]

Sometimes the legitimization of homosexual activity is done in a roundabout way. Harvey says that "both GLSEN and PFLAG advocate book selections for youth that include positive portrayals of homosexual sex between boys, pornography use, cheating on a spouse with a homosexual lover, homosexual sex between underage youth and adults, and straight and 'gay' experimentation by 'uncertain' youth."

Acceptance of 'Transgenders'
Activists argue that human sexuality is so fluid as to encompass all conceivable orientations: heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality, and even people who attempt the alteration of gender appearance.

This latter group consists of "trans-gendered" individuals -- men and women who believe that their biological sex does not accurately reflect what they perceive their gender to be. Some, called transsexuals, have sex-change operations, while others maintain their biological sex and merely "cross-dress."

Such gender-bending concepts are already causing chaos in some public schools. In Missouri last year, the Francis Howell Board of Education rejected complaints from parents when the cross-dressing parent of a fourth-grade student chaperoned school field trips. In Brockton, Massachusetts, a 15-year-old male student demanded the right to come to school dressed like a girl, and school officials capitulated.

Meanwhile, in 1998 students at Southwest High School in Minneapolis, Minnesota, were forced to accept librarian David Nielsen's transition into "Debra Davis," after he began wearing woman's clothes to school and identified himself as a woman.

Alarmingly, in that case the school sent a letter home with students that defended its decision to embrace Nielsen's cross-dressing. "We believe [students] will be more enriched and have a better understanding of diversity by knowing and working with this employee," the letter said.

According to the Evangelical News Service, Southwest High School even presented to students "educational sessions" on trans-genderism.

Nielsen also upset some teachers when he began using the women's faculty restroom. Both the school administration and, eventually, a federal court, rebuffed the complaints of female teachers.

Groups like GLSEN, PFLAG and the largest homosexual lobby group, the Human Rights Campaign, all support changes in law which would include the full acceptance of trans-gendered students right along with those who define themselves as "gay," lesbian or bisexual.

If these demands are fully embraced, the prospect of gender chaos in schools will be assured.

Conclusion
For more than 30 years, homosexual activists have been demanding that our Judeo-Christian culture capitulate and embrace their view of human sexuality, marriage and family. If Americans ever accept these demands, they can expect to live in a culture that will be turned upside down -- literally unhinged from the sane moorings instituted by the God of heaven.

Harvey's prediction is of a grotesque culture that includes: "Lesbian bride dolls. Fourth grade 'gay' clubs. A king and king at the high school prom. Dating tips for same-sex teens. Bathroom ogling -- and sometimes quick encounters -- in the middle school boys' restroom."

Fortunately, while the groundwork for these changes has been laid, it is not yet a done deal. But Americans who believe there is something inherently abnormal, unnatural and immoral about homosexuality had better stand up right now.

If the public schools are lost to homosexual activists, our children and grandchildren will be thrown into a queer new world. And there's nothing gay about that.


4 posted on 11/30/2004 10:57:15 PM PST by borntobeagle (Christians are not anti-sinners, Christians are anti-sin)
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To: borntobeagle

If this garbage occurred when I was in school,I would still be locked up.


5 posted on 11/30/2004 11:15:40 PM PST by loboinok (GUN CONTROL IS HITTING WHAT YOU AIM AT.)
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To: kattracks
The article supported the view of homosexual interest groups that same-sex unions are comparable to heterosexual marriage.

White is white, black is black, however when in doubt follow the gray....

Some will say that it is progressive thinking, and the weak minded are vulnerable to "gray" thinking.

6 posted on 11/30/2004 11:33:21 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: loboinok

http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/10/72004a.asp

I forgot to attach the link to the article which contains links for further details of disgusting training of our youth.

It has become a scary world, and parents need to put a stop to this infiltration in the Public School System.

After coming across this news, I researched as much as I could to disprove it, but sure enough, here it is creeping into my state of KY.


7 posted on 11/30/2004 11:47:21 PM PST by borntobeagle (Christians are not anti-sinners, Christians are anti-sin)
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To: kattracks

It's time Christians issued fatwas and declared jihad against the aclu and all of their running dogs.


8 posted on 11/30/2004 11:59:37 PM PST by A6M3
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To: chance33_98; pabianice; jgrubbs; GrandMoM; scripter; Remedy; baggadonuts; hsmomx3; Xthe17th; JCG; ..

FISTGATE ping.


9 posted on 12/01/2004 1:10:05 AM PST by ppaul
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10 posted on 12/01/2004 1:16:20 AM PST by ppaul
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To: ppaul

That's sick. Those perverts need to be kept away rom children.
Hollywood and lefty TV are pushing this gay crap down our throats even more now. I caught a glimse of a saterday afternoon tv skit aimed at young teens, (can't remember the neame) and along with other sexual discovery "lessons",
the scene skipped to a bedroom shot of a young boy laying on a bed zipping up his fly, and then his young teen boyfriend and him getting into a discussion about their "encounter". Sick shit. This stuff isn't just about gay acceptance, these gay freaks are promoting gay sex among young teens.


11 posted on 12/01/2004 2:16:27 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
Sick shit. This stuff isn't just about gay acceptance, these gay freaks are promoting gay sex among young teens.

Yep.
It is later than you think.
Our society is waaaayyy down the road with this sick shit.
Have we passed the point of no return?
The point where almighty God turns our republic over for judgment - like Babylon?
Are we seeing the handwriting on the wall?

12 posted on 12/01/2004 4:34:14 AM PST by ppaul
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To: kattracks
Hundreds of students opted out of the tolerance training video, and another 324 students did not show up for school the day it was shown. The ACLU has threatened to file for a court order to enforce attendance.

So much for "tolerance."

13 posted on 12/01/2004 4:43:15 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: little jeremiah; ItsOurTimeNow

Ping. The original story was already posted and "pung", as lj says. Post 4 has some info I hadn't yet seen. Ping the list if you think it's worthwhile.


14 posted on 12/01/2004 6:36:46 AM PST by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: kattracks
"The ACLU has threatened to file for a court order to enforce attendance."

The sleeze among the ACLU never threatened suits over mandatory attendance when "Silent Night" was shown.

If the ACLU keeps it up, they will have successfully erased the liberties of America that have helped protect them.

15 posted on 12/01/2004 6:43:59 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: loboinok

Me too. Each week.


16 posted on 12/01/2004 6:48:22 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: ppaul; Born Conservative; Grampa Dave; Mo1; MeekOneGOP; ArGee; lentulusgracchus; Bryan; ...
BTTT


What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda


Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1)


Myth and Reality about Homosexuality--Sexual Orientation Section, Guide to Family Issues"

17 posted on 12/01/2004 7:47:22 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: kattracks
Joseph Platt, a Cincinnati lawyer representing parents, said "mandatory training on tolerance for homosexuals violates the right of conscience of parents and students who believe such behavior immoral."

Why is one person's right to be homosexual more important than another person's right to be intolerant?

I have a BRAAD feeling about this.

Shalom.

18 posted on 12/01/2004 8:30:24 AM PST by ArGee (BRAAD: We're here ! We're intolerant! We'll kick your a$$.)
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To: borntobeagle; little jeremiah; EdReform

LJ/ER some great data here in btb's reply.


19 posted on 12/01/2004 8:48:51 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Writers of hate GW/Christians/ Republicans Articles = GIM/GAY INFECTED MEDIOTS!)
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To: Grampa Dave; borntobeagle; scripter; little jeremiah
Yes, it is excellent. For future reference, a link with article excerpt is posted here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1026551/posts?page=342#342
20 posted on 12/01/2004 9:06:24 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: kattracks

How can a an agreement signed by the school board bind the conscience of the mothers and fathers. The school board showed the GLSEN video.

This is in no way about tollerance, this is about conditioning acceptance of homosexual conduct in children.

Where is the counter view point? Where is the non-religious opposition to the homosexual lifestyle? Where is the video showing homosexuality is a fetish, lifestyle choice?


21 posted on 12/01/2004 9:12:57 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: ArGee

Today it is a mandatory acceptance conditioning video, tommorrow it is chairman mae re-education camps.


22 posted on 12/01/2004 9:14:16 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: loboinok
If this garbage occurred when I was in school,I would still be locked up.

Me too. B-) Man if I was in school today and did what I did then, I'd be locked up. I used to draw pics of B-52's, M-16's, orcs and other Dungeons and Dragons stuff, and so on on my book covers.

The ACLU should be investigated under the RICO Act.
23 posted on 12/01/2004 9:32:10 AM PST by Nowhere Man (We have enough youth, how about a Fountain of Smart?)
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To: JohnnyZ; TaxRelief
Did you see this? It brings up an article about "gay teens" that was in the recent "Charlotte Parents" magazine. I tracked down this statement by the Diocese of Charlotte's mealy-mouthed spokesman:

David Hains, spokesman for the Catholic diocese of Charlotte, said that the diocese “doesn’t find the article objectionable. Catholic teaching teaches all Catholics to be loving towards all people, including homosexuals.” Hains said that the diocese – which does view the homosexual act as sinful – doesn’t view the “Charlotte Parent” article as an endorsement of sin. He also said the diocese “doesn’t try to influence the editorial content of the magazines we advertise in.”

I'm very disappointed that he doesn't mention that the Christian faith teaches that ALL sexual activity outside of marriage is sinful, and therefore "supporting" homosexual (or heterosexual) activity among young people is a grave sin. The "Charlotte Parent" article didn't even mention that teen sex is unhealthy ... I wouldn't have expected any moral condemnation - the only things they think are "wrong" are gun ownership and "intolerance."

I'm writing the Bishop. Maybe, being a fairly recent appointee, he just hasn't gotten around to firing this yutz "spokesman."

24 posted on 12/01/2004 9:40:55 AM PST by Tax-chick (Benedicere cor! Quomodo cogis comas tuas sic videri?)
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To: EdReform

It's in the database, bump.


25 posted on 12/01/2004 10:36:35 AM PST by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: Tax-chick

later


26 posted on 12/01/2004 12:22:44 PM PST by Tax-chick (Benedicere cor! Quomodo cogis comas tuas sic videri?)
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To: borntobeagle; EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping. More on the NC homosexual training video being forced on the children in one whole school district. More info on comment #4 - check it out.

Let me and ItsOurTimeNow know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.


27 posted on 12/01/2004 12:27:03 PM PST by little jeremiah (Moral Absolutes? Do they exist? If so, what are they and where did they come from?)
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To: borntobeagle

Thanks for posting this mindboggling response!


28 posted on 12/01/2004 12:58:31 PM PST by JesseHousman
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To: little jeremiah; All
BTTT

An excerpt from "Queering the Schools"

29 posted on 12/01/2004 1:06:52 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: JesseHousman

Mind boggling is so very true, I think it's downright frightening!

The PTA in particular is what is the most fearful, however. There are so many PS families that are probably not aware of these facts. I highly recommend passing this info along to anyone you know with public school children.

I, myself, was heavily involved with the PTA, completely unaware of this agenda until 2 years ago. Now, for numerous reasons, I prefer homeschooling.


30 posted on 12/01/2004 1:33:07 PM PST by borntobeagle (Christians are not anti-sinners, Christians are anti-sin)
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To: little jeremiah

Please add me to your ping list, if possible.


31 posted on 12/01/2004 1:34:40 PM PST by borntobeagle (Christians are not anti-sinners, Christians are anti-sin)
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To: borntobeagle

It's not only possible, it's easy!

Consider it done.


32 posted on 12/01/2004 1:56:07 PM PST by little jeremiah (Moral Absolutes? Do they exist? If so, what are they and where did they come from?)
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To: borntobeagle

And thank you very much for the information you posted. I had heard of most of it, but not all, and there are new people lurking here every day.

Nonstop truth is the best weapon against the "gay" agenda. Informed people will not be fooled people.


33 posted on 12/01/2004 1:57:48 PM PST by little jeremiah (Moral Absolutes? Do they exist? If so, what are they and where did they come from?)
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To: All

Bears repeating:

For more than 30 years, homosexual activists have been demanding that our Judeo-Christian culture capitulate and embrace their view of human sexuality, marriage and family. If Americans ever accept these demands, they can expect to live in a culture that will be turned upside down -- literally unhinged from the sane moorings instituted by the God of heaven.

Harvey's prediction is of a grotesque culture that includes: "Lesbian bride dolls. Fourth grade 'gay' clubs. A king and king at the high school prom. Dating tips for same-sex teens. Bathroom ogling -- and sometimes quick encounters -- in the middle school boys' restroom."

Fortunately, while the groundwork for these changes has been laid, it is not yet a done deal. But Americans who believe there is something inherently abnormal, unnatural and immoral about homosexuality had better stand up right now.

If the public schools are lost to homosexual activists, our children and grandchildren will be thrown into a queer new world. And there's nothing gay about that.


34 posted on 12/01/2004 2:06:47 PM PST by little jeremiah (Moral Absolutes? Do they exist? If so, what are they and where did they come from?)
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To: Prime Choice

That is exactly what they plan on doing, forcing it down our throats and our children's throats. They will keep forcing it even if we are kicking and screaming. That won't deter them.

From an article by a gay guy earlier this morning:

"It is never easy. Americans must often be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the future."


35 posted on 12/01/2004 3:22:18 PM PST by Esther Ruth
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To: little jeremiah

Thank you LJ, I appreciate being included in this particular topic of discussion.


36 posted on 12/01/2004 3:56:15 PM PST by borntobeagle (Christians are not anti-sinners, Christians are anti-sin)
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To: borntobeagle

It can get pretty busy sometimes!


37 posted on 12/01/2004 5:10:00 PM PST by little jeremiah (Moral Absolutes? Do they exist? If so, what are they and where did they come from?)
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To: little jeremiah
For more than 30 years, homosexual activists have been demanding that our Judeo-Christian culture capitulate and embrace their view of human sexuality, marriage and family.

View? It is not a view; It's a religion--a belief system.

If one religion does not belong in the schools, then no religion belongs in the schools.

38 posted on 12/02/2004 4:05:40 AM PST by TaxRelief (out-of-the-closet conservative)
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To: Tax-chick

Good point. Have others write your bishop as well--this "statement" will be taken by thousands of parents as an endorsement of sin.

If the topic were theft, would the Catholic Church take the same position?

BTW, where was the statement?


39 posted on 12/02/2004 4:08:47 AM PST by TaxRelief (out-of-the-closet conservative)
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To: Tax-chick

BTW, our PCA school/church was righteously outraged, Thanks be to God.


40 posted on 12/02/2004 4:11:39 AM PST by TaxRelief (out-of-the-closet conservative)
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To: TaxRelief

The "spokesman" was quoted in "Charlotte World" newspaper. I tracked it down on their website.

I can understand "We just place ads; we don't run the magazine," but I can't understand their not making at least a general statement against immorality. What if the article had been about facilitating your heterosexual teenager's sexual activity? Would the Diocesan "spokesman" still have shrugged?

Don't they even realize that a teenage boy who is struggling with homosexual desires has probably been abused by an adult male? This is dreadful in so many ways!

I have to wonder, whom are they afraid of offending by making a simple moral statement? Homosexuals? There just aren't that many! Adults (parents of their students, sigh) who are living in sin? Parents who let their teenagers run around?


41 posted on 12/02/2004 4:28:24 AM PST by Tax-chick (Benedicere cor! Quomodo cogis comas tuas sic videri?)
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To: kattracks
These slime can't control the electorate...but they certainly have a firm grasp on public schools and Universities....

My boy is in private school.....

42 posted on 12/02/2004 4:31:27 AM PST by cbkaty
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To: TaxRelief

I should have said "twisted, abnormal, destructive view that nost of us don't share".


43 posted on 12/02/2004 6:33:26 AM PST by little jeremiah (What would happen if everyone decided their own "right and wrong"?)
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To: little jeremiah
It's important to recognize that a belief in homosexuality is a religion not a "view".
44 posted on 12/02/2004 9:57:55 AM PST by TaxRelief (out-of-the-closet conservative)
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To: Tax-chick

It is also perfectly normal for early pubescent males to go through a stage where they have a "first crush" or a hero worship of an older male in their world. It is natural and normal, but the Homosexualists take advantage of this stage in a teen boy's development to move in for active recruitment. (Then the poor kid is trapped in "liberal horror" for a very long time.)


45 posted on 12/02/2004 10:03:21 AM PST by TaxRelief (out-of-the-closet conservative)
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To: EdReform

BTTT


46 posted on 12/02/2004 10:07:05 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: TaxRelief

Thanks ... I'll make sure I mention that to the Bishop, too.


47 posted on 12/02/2004 10:20:32 AM PST by Tax-chick (Benedicere cor! Quomodo cogis comas tuas sic videri?)
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To: little jeremiah
Busy?! Boy howdy!

;o)

48 posted on 12/02/2004 11:11:47 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: TaxRelief

I'm beginning to think that the real "agenda" they're promoting is not homosexuality per se, but sex with children. Once it's accepted that it's acceptable for (ever younger) children to have sex, then the age of the other person becomes simply a matter of taste. If sex between a 14-year-old and a 16-year-old is okay, then what's your logical basis to condemn sex between a 14-year-old and a 60-year-old?


49 posted on 12/02/2004 12:48:29 PM PST by Tax-chick (Benedicere cor! Quomodo cogis comas tuas sic videri?)
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To: Tax-chick; little jeremiah; Bryan; lentulusgracchus; scripter; ArGee; longtermmemmory

I'm beginning to think that the real "agenda" they're promoting is not homosexuality per se, but sex with children.


In her book The Death of Right and Wrong: Exposing the Left's Assault on Our Culture and Values, Tammy Bruce wrote in Chapter Four, First the Culture, Then the Children: The Agenda of the Radical Gay Elite:

"I believe this grab for children by the sexually confused adults of the Gay Elite repesents the most serious problem facing our culture today." (Pg.94)


An excerpt from "Tammy Bruce: Protect New York's Children from the Gay Elite"

"In my book The Death of Right and Wrong I warn about the sexualization and targeting of children by the radical gay fringe...

... As I outline in detail in DRW, there is a sick movement among the homosexual academics and the radical gay fringe to change the age of sexual consent in this nation to 12-years-old. As sexually transmitted diseases for both hetero- and homosexuals increases and HIV/AIDS runs rampant, the goal by some to have access to children (untouched virgins, free of disease) has increased...

Think about it: we’re talking about children who are not psychologically mature enough to decide what to have for dinner, let along comprehend the intricacies of sexuality and all its physical and psychological repercussions. But the Gay Elite want us to believe that somehow these children know they prefer to have anal sex or need their breasts removed to find their “true” selves. Yeah, and I’m Anna Nicole Smith.

I cannot even begin to express my rage at a radical gay fringe and leftists who now are openly and willingly sacrificing children in a vain and self-obsessed drive to quench their own appetites for the young. That’s all this amounts to—adults indulging themselves, and others made too mute by political correctness to step up and say "No..."


An excerpt from "Targeting Children - Part four: Access to children: homosexuality and molestation"

"Homosexuality and pedophila

It should be said from the outset that a homosexual orientation does not automatically lead to pedophilia, and most homosexuals do not abuse children. Moreover, most homosexual activist groups publicly denounce pedophilia.

But that is not the end of the story. Psychiatrist Jeffrey Satinover says in his book Homosexuality and the Politicis of Truth that there is a "substantial, influential, and growing segment of the homosexual community that neither hides nor condemns pedophilia."

One reason for this may be that the homosexual movement is based on the rather simple ethic of individual sexual freedom. In the activist magazine Gayme, writer Bill Andriette said, "The only standard for moral sex… is that it be freely and equally consented to by the persons involved."

From that sexual ethic to one which includes intergenerational sex is but a short leap. Andriette said, "There is no question that blacks, whites, women, men, children, and adolescents can consent to sex … . If we want really to respect the authenticity of individuals we have to let people take risks, explore different values, and recognize that we will be challenged and threatened by what they discover." (Emphasis added.)

This homosexual perspective was in full view nearly three decades ago, with the release of the 1972 Gay Rights Platform. Activists in Chicago, representing the fledgling homosexual movement, demanded the "[r]epeal of all state laws prohibiting private sexual acts involving consenting persons," and the "[r]epeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent."

Such homosexuals see society’s disapproval of adult-child sex as the transgression, rather than the adult-child sex itself. In The Age Taboo: Gay Male Sexuality, Power and Consent, lesbian author Pat Califia said, "Boy lovers and the lesbians who have young lovers … are not child molesters. The child abusers are priests, teachers, therapists, cops and parents who force their staid morality onto the young people in their custody."

Moreover, for many homosexuals, this same-sex attraction to minors may stem from their own sexual experiences. Research shows that very often homosexuals had their own initial same-sex encounter with an adult while children. (See AFA Journal, May 1999.)

Writing in The Advocate, a magazine for homosexuals, Carl Maves agreed. "How many gay men, I wonder, would have missed out on a valuable, liberating experience – one that initiated them into their sexuality – if it weren’t for so-called molestation?" he said..."

... Furthermore, some suggest that public disavowal of NAMBLA by homosexual groups is a smokescreen. David Thorstad, a founding member of NAMBLA and former president of New York’s Gay Activists Alliance, says homosexual activists have supressed pedophilia in order "to sanitize the image of homosexuality to facilitate its entrance into the social mainstream..."


( more info here )


An excerpt from ""Pedophilia Chic" Reconsidered (The taboo against sex with children continues to erode)"

"This social consensus against the sexual exploitation of children and adolescents, however—unlike those against, say, animal sex or incest—is apparently eroding, and this regardless of the fact that the vast majority of citizens do overwhelmingly abominate the thing. For elsewhere in the public square, the defense of adult-child sex—more accurately, man-boy sex—is now out in the open. Moreover, it is on parade in a number of places—therapeutic, literary, and academic circles; mainstream publishing houses and journals and magazines and bookstores—where the mere appearance of such ideas would until recently have been not only unthinkable, but in many cases, subject to prosecution.

Dramatic though this turnaround may be, it did not happen overnight. Four years ago in these pages, in an essay called "Pedophilia Chic," I described in some detail a number of then-recent public challenges to this particular taboo, all of them apparently isolated from one another.1 Plainly, as the record even then showed, a surprising number of voices were willing to rise up on behalf of what advocates refer to as "man-boy love," or what most people call sexual abuse...

Four-plus years and many other challenges to the same taboo later, it is clear that this hypothesis got something wrong. For one thing, no sustained public challenges have arisen over other primal taboos. Even more telling, if nihilism and nihilism alone were the explanation for public attempts to legitimize sex with boy children, then we would expect the appearance of related attempts to legitimize sex with girl children; and these we manifestly do not see.2 Nobody, but nobody, has been allowed to make the case for girl pedophilia with the backing of any reputable institution. Publishing houses are not putting out acclaimed anthologies and works of fiction that include excerpts of men having sex with young girls. Psychologists and psychiatrists are not competing with each other to publish studies demonstrating that the sexual abuse of girls is inconsequential; or, indeed, that it ought not even be defined as "abuse."

Two examples from the last few weeks will suffice to show the double standard here. In the November 12 New York Times Book Review, a writer found it unremarkable to observe of his subject, biographer Gavin Lambert, that when "Lambert was a schoolboy of 11, a teacher initiated him [into homosexuality], and he 'felt no shame or fear, only gratitude.'" It is unimaginable that New York Times editors would allow a reviewer to describe an 11-year-old girl being sexually "initiated" by any adult (in that case, "initiation" would be called "sexual abuse"). Similarly, in mid-December the New York Times Magazine delivered a cover piece about gay teenagers in cyberspace which was so blasé about the older men who seek out boys in chat rooms that it dismissed those potential predators as mere "oldies." Again, one can only imagine the public outcry had the same magazine published a story taking the same so-what approach to online solicitation, off-line trysts, and pornography "sharing" between anonymous men and underage girls.

No: As was true four years ago, contemporary efforts to rationalize, legitimize, and justify pedophilia are about boys. Forget about abstractions like nihilism; what the record shows is something more prosaic. The reason why the public is being urged to reconsider boy pedophilia is that this "question," settled though it may be in the opinions and laws of the rest of the country, is demonstrably not yet settled within certain parts of the gay rights movement..."


An excerpt from "The Problem with Equivalence: "Pedophilia Chic" defended"

"In "'Pedophilia Chic' Reconsidered," Eberstadt raises questions about the mixed messages on appropriate sexual behavior for minors given out by the youth websites of many gay organizations. Eberstadt is concerned that these sites are encouraging young boys and girls to think sexually at ever younger ages. The parents disturbed by the Outright Vermont program agree. During the campaign, these parental groups complained loudly about graphic pictorial illustrations of, and instructions for, gay oral sex, fisting, and "rimming" ("mouth to ass," as the pamphlet describes it) made available to young people by Outright Vermont. Interestingly, supporters of Outright Vermont were, by their own account, "visibly shaken" by these attacks. What so shocked the partisans of Outright Vermont was that anyone could be horrified by the act of distributing to youngsters the sort of "safe sex" material gay organizations now ignore as commonplace.

The cultural fault line here is profound, and no aberration. The gay adults who operate gay-straight alliances and organizations like Outright Vermont seem to have a very different view than most heterosexual parents on the extent to which sexually explicit material ought to be made available to young people. And to be sure, explicit material about homosexual sex is even more disturbing to most parents than explicit material about heterosexual sex. With good reason. The most disquieting thing of all is that programs like Outright Vermont are now targeted at GLBTQ's. That's an acronym for Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgendered, and Questioning youth. A "questioning" youth, of course, is uncertain about his or her sexual orientation. But it's entirely commonplace for children who end up heterosexual to go through a youthful phase in which they question their own sexual orientation. Will these children now be told they have a gay gene, be handed a dental dam, and directed to an adult gay porn site? ..."


50 posted on 12/02/2004 2:24:48 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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