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Who is going to die?
World Net Daily ^ | December 1, 2004 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 12/01/2004 1:04:29 AM PST by eakole

"Yossef Bodansky, the former director of the U.S. Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and a man I respect immensely for his intelligence insights, says the United States faces an "inevitable" al-Qaida attack with weapons of mass destruction.

"What would be the U.S. response to such an attack?

"Now is the time to think about the unthinkable.

"Contingency plans need to be made. And those plans, at least some of them, need to be known to the whole world to serve as a deterrent against such an attack. …"

"… * The Islamist world and its allies need to know there will be an unprecedented nuclear response to any attack on the United States with weapons of mass destruction. We don't need to be specific about which major cities and installations will be vaporized. But it needs to be clear that the response will be overwhelming, resulting in far greater death and destruction than what is inflicted upon the United States. We need to let the terrorists know that addresses of response have been determined. Those counseling the terrorists that such an attack on the United States is justified should be among the first to experience the horror."

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TOPICS: Front Page News
KEYWORDS: alqaida; bodansky; destruction; deterrence; deterrent; farah; islam; jfarah; jihadinamerica; josephfarah; muslims; osamabinladen; presidentbush; retribution; terrorists; war; wmd; yosseffbodansky
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1 posted on 12/01/2004 1:04:29 AM PST by eakole
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To: eakole
Who is going to die?

Everybody, eventually.

2 posted on 12/01/2004 1:06:47 AM PST by asgardshill (November 2004 - The Month That Just Kept On Giving)
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To: SLB; Jeff Head; Travis McGee; Grampa Dave

well now.......


3 posted on 12/01/2004 1:09:37 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: eakole
"The Islamist world and its allies need to know there will be an unprecedented nuclear response to any attack on the United States with weapons of mass destruction. We don't need to be specific about which major cities and installations will be vaporized. ""

hhhmmmm....

If the US says that Syria or Iran will be nuked then it provides incentive for small-time enemies of Syria or Iran to launch a WMD attack against the US (anthrax, sarin, ricin or radiological bomb, all fairly available to smaller countries...) and then provide clear evidenc it was Syria or Iran.

Otherwise how does the US know for sure the origins of a WMD attack. There is no missile trail.

4 posted on 12/01/2004 1:10:27 AM PST by Mark Felton (We are free because we are Christian. There is no other reason.)
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To: eakole

Terrorism is a cancer that can only be cured with a massive dose of radiation.


5 posted on 12/01/2004 1:10:38 AM PST by BulletBobCo
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To: eakole
Guilty of aiding and abetting:
Saudi Arabia
Iran
Pakistan
Syria
Palestine
North Korea

Without the moral and material support of those nations, the terrorists would not get WMD.
6 posted on 12/01/2004 1:14:56 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: Squantos

What's this guy trying to say, Squantos? It's a bit of a mystery. Thanks in advance. :)


7 posted on 12/01/2004 1:16:14 AM PST by bd476
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To: Bon mots
Unfortunately Russia is a major supplier too.

Just look at Iran...
8 posted on 12/01/2004 1:16:34 AM PST by DB ()
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To: eakole

I vote for the Samson Option.


9 posted on 12/01/2004 1:16:59 AM PST by shibumi (John Galt is alive and well. He tends bar in a casino restaurant.)
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To: BulletBobCo

I much prefer FAE's to nukes, no radioactivity to worry about afterwards. You can go right in after the firestorms have abated. We already used them in DS and OEF, we will just have to use a few more at a time.


10 posted on 12/01/2004 1:18:11 AM PST by stm
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To: onyx

Here's a fun topic. / tongue in cheek


11 posted on 12/01/2004 1:19:00 AM PST by bd476
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To: bd476

I think he's wishing more than speaking......I like the way he wishes . Short version IMO he's selling the threat as it should be ....to other countries. Not ours.

Stay safe !


12 posted on 12/01/2004 1:20:36 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: eakole

Excellent. The engineering solution to this problem begins to creep in around the edges of the mainstream. Yes, we need to have this discussion.


13 posted on 12/01/2004 1:20:49 AM PST by Nick Danger (Want some wood?)
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To: eakole

The MSM could only dream of such a scenario: Bush fails to protect the US, and them kills millions overseas in "cowboy-like" retaliation, blah, blah, blah. And the images would immediately shift from dead Americans to dead people overseas, "Bush started WWIII" protests in Europe, blah, blah, blah.


14 posted on 12/01/2004 1:23:12 AM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: DTogo

Started and ended...


15 posted on 12/01/2004 1:27:31 AM PST by DB ()
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To: Mark Felton

You are applying rationality to a Joseph Farah screed. Cut that out!


16 posted on 12/01/2004 1:28:44 AM PST by AntiGuv ()
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To: eakole
Prime Target


17 posted on 12/01/2004 1:29:39 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Squantos
Thank you, Squantos. I was interpreting it in a completely different way. Now that I've read the entire article, all I can say is that I hope this is already planned out.

We certainly have the addresses of the monsters who are giving approval to the terrorists. I hope we do.

This needs to be beyond the planning stages by now. Discussion yes. Resolve yes. Ready time, yesterday.

18 posted on 12/01/2004 1:30:40 AM PST by bd476
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To: Nick Danger

One problem to consider is the event that we elect a muslim, internationalist, milquetoast or "Benedict Arnold" President.


19 posted on 12/01/2004 1:36:11 AM PST by eakole
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To: bd476

You pinged me to THIS as a fun topic/tongue in cheek?
Am I still sane or is my head hurting too much? LOL!

I want you to know, I read the whole article.
For once, I agree with JF.

We do need to tell the Islamic world that we'll nuke all of them
if we're attacked with WMD's.


20 posted on 12/01/2004 1:40:53 AM PST by onyx
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To: onyx
LOL, yes, I misread the first several paragraphs but Squantos was kind enough to give me an introductory explanation so that I went back and read the whole article.

Here's my response

21 posted on 12/01/2004 1:43:44 AM PST by bd476
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To: eakole

Sounds like you've got somebody specific in mind...


22 posted on 12/01/2004 1:46:42 AM PST by white trash redneck (Make love, not war. Get married, do both.)
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To: eakole
WHO'S NEXT Al-Ramadi?, Kut, Mosul?; bring'em on !


23 posted on 12/01/2004 1:50:31 AM PST by kiwi_hawk (Religion of Peace)
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To: eakole

We haven't even elected but one Catholic president, what are the odds that we'll elect a Muslim one anytime in the foreseeable future?


24 posted on 12/01/2004 1:51:20 AM PST by AntiGuv ()
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To: DTogo
And the images would immediately shift from dead Americans to dead people overseas, "Bush started WWIII" protests in Europe, blah, blah, blah.

And this would be different from what we're hearing from Europe already how?

25 posted on 12/01/2004 2:06:28 AM PST by asgardshill (November 2004 - The Month That Just Kept On Giving)
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To: Bon mots
Guilty of aiding and abetting:
Saudi Arabia
Iran
Pakistan
Syria
Palestine
North Korea

Add Russia and China to that list.

26 posted on 12/01/2004 2:11:54 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: white trash redneck

More than one. Carter, the Clintons, and Kerry are good examples. BTW, considering this talk about the "Arnold Swartzennegger" amendment to the Constitution, I should include "foreign born" among the list of undesirable presidential characteristics.


27 posted on 12/01/2004 2:13:15 AM PST by eakole
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To: asgardshill
Who is going to die?

Everybody, eventually.

Muahaha! You foolish mortals...

28 posted on 12/01/2004 2:16:26 AM PST by Begin (Mister, we could use a man like Ronald Reagan again.)
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To: eakole
As much as I would like...The USA will not nuke civilans, a city like Mecca, per say. Too much PC, etc.
unfortunate.
29 posted on 12/01/2004 2:17:10 AM PST by Pro-Bush (F*#k liberal relatives!)
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To: AntiGuv

Regarding: "We haven't even elected but one Catholic president, what are the odds that we'll elect a Muslim one anytime in the foreseeable future?"

Comment: Other than elections the Constitution provides for a presidential succession should the President and Vice President die or become unable to perform his duties. THAT person could be a Muslim.


30 posted on 12/01/2004 2:28:30 AM PST by eakole
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To: eakole

Finally, someone besides me advocating pre-retaliation notification and massive use of nukes. It's about time. Maybe that'll persuade the muslim masses to *deter* the radicals and terrorists, internally. But if they're as collectively 6th century dumb as I suspect they are, it won't, sadly.


31 posted on 12/01/2004 2:31:51 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm ( veni vidi vino visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: AntiGuv

Way, way less than zero, IMO.


32 posted on 12/01/2004 2:33:51 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm ( veni vidi vino visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: asgardshill

Not finding my name in this article was kind of a mixed blessing. I'm not ready to die, but I really don't want to go to work today.


33 posted on 12/01/2004 2:34:27 AM PST by Once-Ler (iconoclast says "He lives in Madison, WI. No wonder he thinks Bush is a conservative!")
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To: Nick Danger
Yes, we need to have this discussion.

Alright I'll start. I really don't think we can go wrong in any scenario by attacking France first.

34 posted on 12/01/2004 2:37:18 AM PST by Once-Ler (iconoclast says "He lives in Madison, WI. No wonder he thinks Bush is a conservative!")
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To: Once-Ler

Its nice to know that I'm not the only one who checks the obituaries every day to see if I have to go to work or not.


35 posted on 12/01/2004 2:42:17 AM PST by asgardshill (November 2004 - The Month That Just Kept On Giving)
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To: eakole

The rats in the holes who would do us massive harm again, need to be warned in a very public way...do it and your so called holy shrines will exist no more.....


36 posted on 12/01/2004 2:48:57 AM PST by Route101
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To: stm

That's what the neutron bomb was designed for. A small explosion accompanied with a massive wave of radiation that would kill off living beings in the vicinity, but would not leave any fallout. Decontamination of buildings could be accomplished with something as simple as a hosedown from a firetruck.

I can just imagine Osama's face when he hear's about Mecca's destruction.

:-)


37 posted on 12/01/2004 2:55:14 AM PST by gogogodzilla
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To: Squantos; Jeff Head; Travis McGee; Grampa Dave

I would sure like to see a few choice locations turn to green glass in Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Iran just to name a few. However I do not believe we will ever again use a nuke against a civilian target. The response, only conventional weapons, would be measured to assure only those responsible were hit.


38 posted on 12/01/2004 3:03:14 AM PST by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: eakole
Put the names of all Islamic capital cities along with Mecca and Medina in a hat. If we are attacked we pull two out and those two cities are vaporized that day. If we are attacked again we pull out three cities, etc. This should have been the approach since 9/12. Who can possibly identify those so-called unidentifiable terrorists among us? The mullahs and strong men in those cities can. Who can exert pressure (Islamic terror type) on those terrorists and their families? The same mullahs and strongmen. This MAD logic would motivate them to do precisely that, potentially saving millions of Islamists and non-Islamists in the process. Deterrence works as long as the retaliatory response is real, guaranteed and overwhelming.
39 posted on 12/01/2004 3:11:38 AM PST by Tail Gunner John
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To: Kozak
That whit circle makes a great target, it can easily be seen with a spy satt. Maybe send a couple of cruise missiles there now, to show our resolve!
40 posted on 12/01/2004 3:20:51 AM PST by TMSuchman (American by birth,rebel by choice, MARINE BY GOD!)
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To: stm

You mean Daisy cutters ? or OLD BLUE ?


41 posted on 12/01/2004 3:31:14 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Add France to that list, at the TOP of that list.


42 posted on 12/01/2004 3:34:30 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Pro-Bush

I don't know about you, but, if the USA were attacked by a WMD, then, PC correctness can take a hike, all bets are off, all gloves are off, I am sure the USA will retaliate in some kind of force this world has never seen.


43 posted on 12/01/2004 3:37:27 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Isn't that the extremists' goal -- one final showdown?


44 posted on 12/01/2004 3:38:57 AM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

I agree with you that if attacked with a WMD we will respond in a hellish and very deadly way. Why not openly advertise this in an effort to "deter" that WMD attack upon America in the first place?


45 posted on 12/01/2004 3:48:04 AM PST by Tail Gunner John
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To: durasell

I am afraid that could be their motivation, but, our military planners will have to come up with some kind of plan as not to wipe out the rest of us. Regardless of WHOM , were to attack us ( even Russia ) we still have our subs as our ace in the whole. Thats why Russia, and China are not so trigger happy to attack us directly, maybe their game plan is to get us were it hurts ( economically, and geo politically ).


46 posted on 12/01/2004 3:51:28 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: shibumi

Reprinted from NewsMax.com

Samson Option: Israel's Plan to Prevent Mass Destruction Attacks
David Eberhart
Tuesday, Oct. 16, 2001
With American bombing raids into Afghanistan and a tough President Bush intimating more of the same for other terrorist-harboring nations, experts and armchair war-watchers are inserting nuclear powerhouse Israel into the calculus of potential Armageddon in the Middle East.
Adding yet other variables, a defiant Saddam Hussein issued an ominous warning in late August, just weeks before the terror attacks on New York City and the Pentagon: "The battle [against the U.S.] continues on the economic, political and military fields. We are convinced we will be victorious."

All that the saber-rattling Iraqi dictator left out of this latest diatribe was a bold repeat of his 1991 pre-Desert Storm boast that if America attacked, the first to feel his wrath in the "mother of all battles" would be Israel.

After decades of living among hostile neighbors, Israel has yet to be attacked by an enemy using nuclear, chemical or biological weapons. One reason may be the horrific plan some claim Israel drew up to prevent such an attack. The plan was called the Samson Option. An astute investigative journalist and student of history chalked a dramatic potential solution to the volatile equation on the blackboard - a decade ago.

"Should war break out in the Middle East again and should the Syrians and the Egyptians break through again as they did in 1973 [Yom Kippur War], or should any Arab nation fire missiles again at Israel, as Iraq did [in the 1991 Gulf War], a nuclear escalation, once unthinkable except as a last resort, would now be a strong possibility."

Pulitzer Prize-winning author ("My Lai 4") Seymour M. Hersh made this hypothesis in his 1991 best seller "The Samson Option."

Captured and cruelly maimed, the book’s biblical namesake uttered the ultimate fighting words, "Let my soul die with the Philistines."

That said, the divinely empowered Samson pushed apart the temple pillars - collapsing the roof and killing himself as well as his enemies.

In his exposé of Israel’s clandestine nuclear arsenal, Hersh suggested that in the early days (late 1960s) of crude big-flash-and-bang nukes, one defensive option to counter an attack on Israel with weapons of mass destruction was for the beleaguered nation to mimic Samson and grimly trade holocaust for holocaust.

Hersh's 1991 prognostication of a "strong possibility" of the use by Israel of nuclear weapons rested on his knowledge that by the mid-1980s, Israeli technicians at the super-secret Dimona nuclear plant had produced hundreds of low-yield neutron warheads capable of destroying large numbers of enemy troops with minimal property damage.

Israel's ability to use nukes tactically and surgically, however, has evolved a great deal since the Samson option was still realistically an option.

Israel's Military Might

In 1997, Jane's Intelligence Weekly examined satellite photographs of what it described as an Israeli military base at Kfar Zechariah, concluding academically, "Israel's nuclear arsenal is larger than many estimates."

According to Jane's, the site was said to house about 50 Jericho-2 missiles, believed to have a maximum range of about 3,000 miles with a warhead of about 2,200 pounds.

According to the report, the installation contained nuclear bombs, configured for dropping from bombers.

Furthermore, five bunkers at the site were cited as capable of safeguarding 150 weapons.

"This … supports indications that the Israeli arsenal may contain as many as 400 nuclear weapons with a total combined yield of 50 megatons," the report concluded.

In 1998 the New York Times reported a Rand Corp. study commissioned by the Pentagon that opined Israel had enough plutonium to make 70 nuclear weapons.

More light was shed on the issue in February of last year when the Israeli Knesset (parliament) held the first public discussion on the country’s nuclear arms program.

Issam Mahoul, an Arab Israeli MP and member of the Hadash (Communist) Party, petitioned that country’s Supreme Court to force the government to permit a parliamentary debate on the forbidden subject.

The upshot of this bold and generally unpopular tactic was an unprecedented televised session of the Knesset at which Mahoul stated that, according to experts' estimates, Israel had stockpiled huge numbers of nuclear warheads.

This had increased to what he described as the "insane amount of 200-300." The weapons had been developed with the help of the South African apartheid regime.

Working up a head of rhetorical steam, Mahoul grandly alleged that three new German-built submarines just purchased by Israel were to be fitted with nuclear weapons.

Their stated purpose, he said, was "to cruise deep in the sea and constitute a second strike force in the event that Israel is attacked with nuclear weapons."

Mahoul also announced what was hardly a news bulletin - Israel was producing "biological warfare" weapons at the government's Biological Institute in Ness Ziona.

The obstreperous MP concluded that the government's official policy of "nuclear ambiguity" was the height of self-delusion. "All the world knows that Israel is a vast warehouse of atomic, biological and chemical weapons that serves as an anchor for the Middle East arms race," he said.

Despite the bristling inventory of nukes, the Israelis have a laudable history of restraint in brandishing, much less using, these most destructive of all weapons of mass destruction.

In fact, for most of the latter half of the 20th century, the Israeli Bomb remained invisible and unacknowledged. Israel's official position was to neither confirm nor deny its nuclear status, only pledging on the record "not to be the first to introduce nuclear weapons to the Middle East."

A Show of Restraint

According to Hersh, the best example of Israeli restraint in the face of great provocation came during the Gulf War.

On the second day of the American invasion, Saddam Hussein fired eight Scud missiles at noncombatant Israel. Two of the conventionally armed missiles landed on Tel Aviv. Then Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir responded by ordering mobile missile launchers armed with nuclear weapons moved into the open and deployed facing Iraq.

The Samsonesque strongman of the Middle East had stirred - and the world held its breath.

Promising Patriot missile batteries and loads of future aid, the United States pressured Israel to keep cool. After all, the allied coalition included a number of Arab nations, and the U.S. feared that dramatic Israeli retaliation could fragment the fragile alliance.

By the end of the Gulf War, Israel had dutifully absorbed 26 Scuds - none armed with biological or chemical weapons.

And therein lies the rub. What if the missiles had featured biochemical agent warheads?

Israel's prime ministers have plenary jurisdiction over their country's nuclear activities.

The refrain used consistently by the Israeli leaders has been and remains an unqualified: "Israel reserves the right to retaliate if attacked."

Traditionally, Israeli leaders have pigeonholed nuclear weapons as a psychological insurance policy for unthinkable contingencies, under the heading of "last resort."

The hope of those in the inner sanctums of national security is that the exigencies of America's New War send no such unthinkable contingencies in the direction of America’s quiet ally.


47 posted on 12/01/2004 3:53:41 AM PST by InvisibleChurch (Good ol' Coney Island College. Go WhiteFish. / pay no attention to the primedial newscasts)
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To: onyx

but what if China wants us to nuke the Muslims? it goes around and around


48 posted on 12/01/2004 4:00:38 AM PST by heartwood
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To: Tail Gunner John
I still remember reading a story I read a few years ago, maybe 2 or 3 years ago ( I do remember reading it in the months before we went into IRAQ . I am not sure if it was in a magazine ( I think, it was NEWSWEEK ( Title, WHY IS THE REST OF THE WORLD AFRAID OF THE USA ) I am not sure of that though or maybe it was on the Internet. There was this person that was at this party and Colin Powell was at this party. Someone asked Colin Powell who has the greatest and strongest military in the world, and he said, " without a doubt, we do" .
( I am doing this by memory, so bear with me ). Then, this person asked Colin Powell " so ? if we have the greatest and strongest military in the world ? then ? in what place does the country that comes closest militarily wise to ours , rank in the world on a scale ? " and Colin Powell said " that the country that comes closest to our military would rank 7 th in the world " and he said " that we could turn the rest of the world into a ( ASH TRAY ) ( without using nuke weapons )" .
Has anyone else read this story ? or seen it on the Internet a few years ago ? or could do a research on it ?
Military ? there is no country that parallels to ours our can match our military, but, what concerns me is ? economically and geo politically concerns.
49 posted on 12/01/2004 4:16:55 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Israel's retaliatory ability has kept it safe from WMD. Never has a chemical or biological weapon been used against them. The Hezbollah maniacs have not made this decision. The conventional weapons only call has been made in Tehran, Baghdad and Damascus. Those in Tehran and Damascus now know if the conventional line is crossed the retaliation will come home to Tehran and Damascus. WMD deterrence has been accomplished.
50 posted on 12/01/2004 4:18:03 AM PST by Tail Gunner John
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