Who is going to die?

World Net Daily ^ | December 1, 2004 | Joseph Farah

[Blueflag]

Chris -- think this through. What is the outcome you seek? Johnny Jihad without ANY infrastructure to support his movement, government, grocery stand, everything, is powerless. If we kill 'them' by the hundreds of thousands, we do not accomplish our goals.

I say we take away their money, power, infrastructure, communications etc., and they will collapse. Lord of the flies on a cultural level.

I'll agree to disagree with you on this one. Johnny Jihad understands force manifest on him, not just threats. When Johnny wakes up on day 1 and can't get any information, nothing works, AND he saw the night sky light up, he'll wonder. On day 5 when he still has no food etc etc. he'll know he got hit hard.

I believe YOUR point is not so obvious on its own. ;-)

[Blueflag]

OK, the world wide economy would be disrupted, perhaps badly so, but would recover on better terms.

Which would you prefer?

a) Islamofascists running rampant over the world and a decent economy?

or

b) Islamofascists 'gone' as a world power, and the economy in recovery?

I'll take B. IT's important to win this one. It's not like a nuclear war with no winners. We MUST win this one.

[dennisw]

My favorite crater until Mecca and Kabba rock become one.

[Travis McGee]

I take /c/, that is, craterize the moon-god rock, and watch the entire insane murder cult fizzle like dew on a Texas highway in August.

[Tail Gunner John]

When was the last time you heard of any mullah or Islamist strongman martyring himself. You haven't. The mullahs are are for their followers being martyrs not themselves. Why didn't mullah Omar stay and fight? What about the Islamofascist leaders in Fallouja? We all saw Saddam's desire for self preservation. I'm saying the only way to stop the true believer with a WMD is to kill him. Unfortunately, we can't find and kill them all by ourselves. The mullas and strongmen who have no desire for martyrdom know who and where the fanatics are. If the mullahs believe that they will pay the price (martyrdom) for their follower's actions the mullahs will rein in their fanatic disciples for their own self preservation. OBL is a realist who doesn't want to die. Why else would he be hiding in a rat hole in BF Afghanistan?

[Prophet in the wilderness]

Regardless of what ever the Chinese have or and no matter to what extent the Chinese modernize their military, we still have our ACE IN THE HOLE ,, our subs.
No matter who trys to attack us ( i.e. Russia, China , France ) they might put a hurting on us, but ? we will wipe them out, and I think, ex specially the Russians know this. We Might as well eat that Cheese stake Special that we always wanted to eat now, there is no guaranty that GOD promises us more time in this world, heck, I could just have a heart attack at any moment ( that's how my dad passed away ) or have a brain aneurysm and croak while I am sleeping or on my way to get that cheese stake. None of us is guarantied more time on this earth, and we are not guarantied that the world will last forever, so ? everyone ? go out, get your HAGENDAIZ ICE CREAM or get that DELUX SPECIAL CHEESE STAKE you always wanted.

[Ethyl]

That's what the neutron bomb was designed for. A small explosion accompanied with a massive wave of radiation that would kill off living beings in the vicinity, but would not leave any fallout. Decontamination of buildings could be accomplished with something as simple as a hosedown from a firetruck.

I can just imagine Osama's face when he hear's about Mecca's destruction.

It should have been used in Fallujua, it would even get rid of the cockroaches!

[Ethyl]

An easy response in a PC world would be high altitude, high throw-weight nuclear burts. The primary effect would be EMP -- electromagnetic pulse -- halting the function of virtually all 20th and 21st century devices. Do it at night so the visible and psyops impact would be extraordinary.

Good idea, but no, it is better to just neuk them, don't have to deal with them later, better they be GONE, so they don't teach their dimwitted children their ways. No, just get rid of them, death to them all in the muslim world. They started it, we should finish it!

[Ethyl]

Chris -- I believe, kindly, that you miss MY point. It's not about de-activating PS-2 sets. IT's about reducing the Arab world to a 18th century technology status.

These idiots already live in the 14th century, taking them to the 18th would be a God-send. Neuk them all, don't let them live and teach their children the same stupididy that they learned. Let's start over in the a-rab world, they need to learn that their stupid so-called relion is a farse, stop spreading it, delete it! There is no alla, and his stupid phrophet, mohammed is a pedophile and an idiot.

[Travis McGee]

Time will tell.

[mikegi]

The part in the article about fallout shelters is dumb. By definition, we will not know when a terrorist attack will occur. The shelters would be useless.

What's weird is that in the late summer 2001 I posted on another board "What would we do if terrorists set off a nuke in the USA?". People responded as if I had two heads or something.

Anyway, I think that it is FAR more likely that WMDs would be in the form of a virus, not nukes. Terrorists send in a dozen Smallpox Samirs to fly around the USA infecting travellers.

Also, terrorists don't need WMDs to hurt us bigtime. I can think of a dozen simple attack strategies that would sow chaos here. Then the terrorists wait for their useful idiots in the MSM to do the rest of the terrorizing for them.

[txhurl]

Keep me pinged on this.. mmmmmmmhhhh..

[gidget7]

I agree with him too. I don't know what everyone has against him, except he isn't really for Bush. That I don't like, but he is conservative.

[Netizen]

More than one. Carter, the Clintons, and Kerry are good examples. BTW, considering this talk about the "Arnold Swartzennegger" amendment to the Constitution, I should include "foreign born" among the list of undesirable presidential characteristics.

Got to agree and an early morning bump.

[Edgerunner]

I'd take economy destroyed rather than our country destroyed!!!

[fix]

The MSM could only dream of such a scenario: Bush fails to protect the US, and them kills millions overseas in "cowboy-like" retaliation, blah, blah, blah. And the images would immediately shift from dead Americans to dead people overseas, "Bush started WWIII" protests in Europe, blah, blah, blah.

Life does not revolve around the political success or popularity of President Bush. Media acceptance of a particular strategy is of no importance to me, nor should it be for anyone else. Farrah is right, this needs to be discussed openly. Fear of terrible retribution is one of the oldest deterrents in the world. In my opinion, it's high time we made ourselves clear.

[R. Scott]

Otherwise how does the US know for sure the origins of a WMD attack.

We have enough nuke missiles to kill them all and let God sort them out, but I doubt our response would be that major.

[Rakkasan1]

"Perhaps the meek shall inherit the Earth, but they'll do it in very small plots . . . about 6' by 3'."
-Robert A. Heinlein

[eakole]

Regarding: "Anyway, I think that it is FAR more likely that would be in the form of a virus, not nukes. Terrorists send in a dozen Smallpox to fly around the USA infecting ."

Reply: No need to "fly around." The Military arm of Islam, terrorists disguised as civilians, is here and waiting for instructions. No need for arms, for suicidal Muslims can be filled with chemical, biological and radioactive substances. They can then, by breathing, personal contact or explosive device, infect Americans in every major city in America. Muslims believe, suicide in the cause of Allah is not suicide, it is a passport martyrdom and eternal bliss. It is a Muslim's belief that martyrdom in the name of Allah will guarantee them an eternal orgy of fantastic sex and pleasure without the consequence of a calloused crotch. Such is the depth and breadth of their Martyr's highest values.

[Indie]

"Contingency plans need to be made. And those plans, at least some of them, need to be known to the whole world to serve as a deterrent against such an attack. …" "… * The Islamist world and its allies need to know there will be an unprecedented nuclear response to any attack on the United States with weapons of mass destruction. We don't need to be specific about which major cities and installations will be vaporized. But it needs to be clear that the response will be overwhelming, resulting in far greater death and destruction than what is inflicted upon the United States.

This would have been common sense to Ronald Reagan, but is an alien concept to so-called conservatives today who worship TheParty as an idol rather than the views it no longer represents. Let's see if the usual suspect apologist RINO/CINO "bot" population shows up here to blast this idea and tell us all about Bush's "religion of peace" and "the big tent."

[Mr. Jeeves]

IT's about reducing the Arab world to a 18th century technology status.

I like your EMP attack idea, but moving the Arab world into the 18th century would actually be a huge leap forward for most of them. ;)

[Travis McGee]

If our economy is destroyed, the resulting social explosion in America will mean its destruction, or at best its conversion into a full-out dictatorship to restore public order.

You think our beknighted homies will just sit quietly in the 'hood, in the dark, freezing, with no food in the fridge and no gas in the ride? All of our cities will look like Fallujah one month after the lights go out.

[Scythian]

Don't panic but I believe in the end there is no response we can make, we cannot nuke an entire populace over what a few individuals do. In the end, if this indeed does happen, Bush will be baced with a terrible decision and the only one he will morally be able to make, and that is, there is no response other than trying to rebuild.

Looking towards the future however, maybe we'll we close off the borders and simply seal off our country entirely, that will be the only choice.

[Scythian]

If our economy is destroyed, the resulting social explosion in America will mean its destruction, or at best its conversion into a full-out dictatorship to restore public order. You think our beknighted homies will just sit quietly in the 'hood, in the dark, freezing, with no food in the fridge and no gas in the ride? All of our cities will look like Fallujah one month after the lights go out.

You are correct, if the economy collapses the country is lost, as much as we like to think about the "goodness of people" that myth will quickly be obliterated. I feel that this event is much closer than we would like to think.

[katana]

Thank you for the reality check. Guess the granola and tofu won't help that much after all.

Regarding the point of the article, the most likely targets would be population centers and where communications, business, and political power are concentrated. That means the big coastal cities, plus Chicago, Atlanta, and Denver. If or when it occurs the calls by survivors for retribution on a Biblical scale will make what happened after 9/11 seem mild.

[monday]

from the article; "Do they really want to see their cities vaporized? Do they really want to see their religious centers destroyed? Do they really want to see adherents to their ideology and their faith killed in massive numbers as a direct result of their actions? "

The answer is yes, they do. These people send their children to be suicide bombers. They live to be martyrs for allah. Of course they want us to vaporize their cities, etc. etc.

I think we should oblige them.

[Edgerunner]

So you got it pegged for what will happen to us. Feel better now? Let's just surrender and start reading the koran. If it comes to this end, we might as well exterminate them so they can't cause us any harm while we recover...I believe people would be able to survive in spite of your doom and gloom predictions. I have Faith, have you?

[Travis McGee]

Don't put words in my mouth. I just don't consider the ruination of our economy to be a bump in the road, "fair trade" for blasting the ME with EMPs (and cutting of the ME oil flow).

The true "surgical strike" would be to simply implode the insane murder cult once and for all, but craterizing the black moon-god rock.

Done. Over. Finished. Oil still flowing.

[Travis McGee]

So do I. I would not want to live within a gas tank's range of any urban megalopolis for the foreseeable future.

[razorback-bert]

Kinda of a one sided MAD policy.

[Edgerunner]

Sorry. Didn't mean to put words in your mouth!

[Travis McGee]

Thanks. Believe me, I'm not out for any type of surrender or capitulation to the insane murder cultists! I'm just more worried about the effects of an economic collapse in the USA. It would not be anything like the "peaceful" Great Depression. Our "social contract" is busted. If the ATMs, groceries and gas stations go empty for even a month, if the lights go out, ALL bets are off.

[John O]

The USA will not nuke civilans, a city like Mecca

There are no civilians in mecca. Only more un-uniformed enemy combatants. islam is the enemy

[John O]

I can just imagine Osama's face when he hear's about Mecca's destruction.

Except that mecca must be nuked. It doesn't sit on any resources that we need so it serves it's purpose best by being a radioactive wasteland for as long as islam continues to exist, or as long as islam is even remembered to have existed.

Somewhat like the destruction of Carthage. burn it and salt the earth

[diamond6]

That synopsis is EXCELLENT. It would make an excellent tagline.

[John O]

(Allahu Akbar means "our God is greater.)

But allahu Fubar means "their god is f'd up beyond all repair"!

Mecca must be nuked. islam must be destroyed

[Blueflag]

Travis said --

"The true "surgical strike" would be to simply implode the insane murder cult once and for all, but craterizing the black moon-god rock.

Done. Over. Finished. Oil still flowing."

I like it actually.

1. Defeat your enemy, then go to war
2. WAGE WAR TO CRUSH.

Sun Tsu.

[Travis McGee]

"Kick their ass and take the gas" is another way to put it.

[Stopislamnow]

Man, I've never seen so many good posts in one thread.

Where the hell are all the apologists? Hope they stay gone.

Nuke Islam Now.

[dougiefresh]

Guilty of aiding and abetting:
Saudi Arabia
Iran
Pakistan
Syria
Palestine
North Korea

Bush needs to repond like Kennedy did during the Cuban missle crisis (any attack on the US will be seen as an attack by the USSR). My response to the world and directed specifically at these nations would be "if the United States is attacked again, we may not know exactly who did it, but we do know each one of you is responsible in some way. Therefore, our response will be nuclear and it will arriving in one of your cities within the next few hours.

[Squantos]

Yep....waste of time IMHO......nuke em now nuke em now !....:o)

[BulletBobCo]

Nuke'em til they glow.....then nuke'em again.

[Squantos]

Make em stare at this for hours .......:o)

[Bon mots]

Therefore, our response will be nuclear and it will arriving in one of your cities within the next few hours.

Why only one?
Our response should be over the top, horrific, irresponsible, shockingly excessive and inexcusable. If you have to hit someone who has attacked you, hit them as hard, fast and repeatedly as you possibly can. Otherwise, go crying home to mama.

[tm22721]

All of our cities will look like Fallujah one month after the lights go out.

And that's bad ?

Many here are sitting on the edge of their seats waiting (praying) for it to happen.

BUMP