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Oliver Stone's "Alexander" is behind the times
Townhall.com ^ | December 1, 2004 | Ben Shapiro

Posted on 12/01/2004 9:19:41 AM PST by UltraConservative

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To: UltraConservative
Oh, yeah, blame the gay angle and blame the public.

Hollywood can't handle the truth. Which is, Oliver Stone is incapable of telling the story of a great general without mucking it up. This project was doomed the day he was hired. But Hollywood will never criticize one of their own, they'll always blame their customers.

61 posted on 12/01/2004 12:53:52 PM PST by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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Follow the money on the result of this movie.

Hollyweird is staying that AMECRICANS do not accept homosexual propagands HOWEVER homosexualilty will sell in the membership of the EU.

The suits are saying that they don't need the US market to make money, only dump this fecal material on the eeeeeuropeans, they will watch aaaaaaanything.


62 posted on 12/01/2004 12:56:39 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: UltraConservative

I guess I was one of the few people who liked Alexander. It wasn't too gay and the story is very interesting. It needed more fighting and less tearful Colin Farrell though. Other than that, it was a fun way to kill a couple hours.


63 posted on 12/01/2004 1:00:23 PM PST by CaptainJustice
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To: Strategerist

The Russian version of "War and Peace" does a really good job of the battle of Borodino just the way you describe.


64 posted on 12/01/2004 1:36:01 PM PST by libstripper
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To: martin_fierro

That fat critic - Ebert - is not gay - he is straight and married to a black woman. He is a "liberal" though.


65 posted on 12/01/2004 1:38:15 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Thebaddog

"Colin Farrel isn't physically big enough to look the part"

I agree - that's another part that bothered me .. the guy just isn't credible. Mel Gibson (or someone of his stature) could have pulled off that role and it would have been a smash hit.


66 posted on 12/01/2004 1:39:13 PM PST by CyberAnt (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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To: CyberAnt; Thebaddog

Alexander was kind of a short guy - even by ancient standards. Unless you mean screen gravitas - then I agree.


67 posted on 12/01/2004 1:46:38 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: longtermmemmory
The suits are saying that they don't need the US market to make money, only dump this fecal material on the eeeeeuropeans, they will watch aaaaaaanything.

Change "US market" to "Red State market" and you're correct. If they can make money with this kind of strategy, they can have their cake and eat it too. Get rich, and continue to push their far left agenda, sneering at us Red State "barbarians" all the while.

68 posted on 12/01/2004 2:01:12 PM PST by CFC__VRWC (It's not evidence of wrongdoing just because Democrats don't like the outcome.)
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To: Destro

Screen gravitas was what I meant. Gibson is not that big a guy, but in Braveheart, he was definitely in command. I would also consider Russell Crowe a good candidate for the role.


69 posted on 12/01/2004 2:04:31 PM PST by CyberAnt (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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To: CFC__VRWC

Which brings up and interesting point.

Do people in blue counties go to the movies more than people in the red counties?

Who is more likely to buy the DVD of any given movie?

Who is more likely to simply download the movie off of a P2P system?

I bet they calculate this in their projections.


70 posted on 12/01/2004 2:06:46 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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How strongly does it imply that Alexander was Bi? or do people just infer that he was because thats what they want to believe?

There is Historiae Alexandri Magni of Quintus Curtius Rufus, as well as other works of equally poor scholarship (such as a forgery claiming to be the work of Callisthenes with numerous laughable errors in geography, chronology, etc. just like the Quintus Curtius Rufus volumes). But none of the older Greek sources even suggest such a thing (unless poorly translated into English), using language that far from supporting the conclusion almost instead disproves it (the greeks had numerous words for "love", and Alexander's relationship with Hephaestion is always described as brotherly love ("philos" derived) and never any of the words suggesting a physical or homosexual relationship).

As to whether he was or not, there is no proof either way. Clearly, the stronger, older evidence almost certainly disproves it (one would think Alexander's comments regarding the topic alone would be sufficient), but later Roman writings (and the history that everyone is going to be taught post-20th century) accepts it as factual. Of course, these same historians and authors also believe that such historical entities as Lincoln, King James, and even Saint John were homosexuals as well, and no doubt these absurdities will also be generally regarded, and taught, as "fact" to future generations.

71 posted on 12/02/2004 4:36:07 AM PST by Technogeeb
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To: Strategerist

You are so right re the "fast-cut jiggly camera stuff." It is meant to hide the fact that Hollywood apparently no longer employs such experts in battlefield choreography as Yakima Kanutt (one time stunt rider and later did battles for El Cid and the chariot race in Ben Hur among many others.) Whoever did Braveheart's battle scene was WAY ahead of the jerks who did Gladiator and Alexander.


72 posted on 12/02/2004 12:59:51 PM PST by Charlesj (I'd gladly fire Drier.)
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