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Parade prohibition puzzles preacher
Rocky Mountain News ^ | 12/1/2004 | Jean Torkelson

Posted on 12/01/2004 3:43:57 PM PST by FredZarguna

If groups celebrating American Indian holy people, German culture and the Chinese New Year can march in the city's Parade of Lights, why can't a Christian group march to celebrate Christmas?

That's just one of the questions bothering prominent Denver-area Pastor George Morrison.

He said he was barred from participating in the parade because his multicultural church group wanted its Christian-themed float to feature traditional yuletide hymns and a "Merry Christmas" message.

"It's a little confusing to me," said Morrison, pastor of Faith Bible Chapel in Arvada, one of the region's largest evangelical churches, with more than 4,000 worshippers.

"Here we have this holiday, Christmas, approaching, and Parade of Lights is suddenly changed into something where you can't even sing a Christmas song?"

But the parade does not allow "direct religious themes," said spokesman Michael Krikorian. That includes "Merry Christmas" signs and the singing or playing of traditional Christmas hymns. He added that the rules were spelled out when Morrison's intermediary called last spring to inquire about contributing a float.

"We want to avoid that specific religious message out of respect for other religions in the region," Krikorian said. "It could be construed as disrespectful to other people who enjoy a parade each year."

The one-hour parade, which is celebrating its 30th year this Friday and Saturday nights in downtown Denver, features elaborate floats with holiday symbols such as Santa Claus and gingerbread houses, plus an "international procession" of cultural groups.

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No comment. The usual idiocy.
1 posted on 12/01/2004 3:43:59 PM PST by FredZarguna
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To: FredZarguna

Tolerance does not apply to Christians.


2 posted on 12/01/2004 3:47:17 PM PST by imskylark
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To: FredZarguna

Would they ban a gay parade because it offended Christians? No way. The usual liberal, hypocritical, anti-Christian BS.


3 posted on 12/01/2004 3:47:21 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: FredZarguna
We want to avoid that specific religious message out of respect for other religions in the region," Krikorian said. "It could be construed as disrespectful to other people who enjoy a parade each year."
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But, officially it is OK to disrespect Christians.
4 posted on 12/01/2004 3:47:41 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (We won. We don't need to be forgiving. Let the heads roll!!!!!!!!!)
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To: FredZarguna

Someone should send this to O'Reilly and Hannity.


5 posted on 12/01/2004 3:48:27 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: FredZarguna
"We want to avoid that specific religious message out of respect for other religions in the region," Krikorian said. "It could be construed as disrespectful to other people who enjoy a parade each year."

This is all gonna end badly, I tell you.

6 posted on 12/01/2004 3:48:36 PM PST by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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To: FredZarguna

I am thankful we live in a town that has a Christmas Parade!


7 posted on 12/01/2004 3:49:22 PM PST by Trainfish
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To: FredZarguna

When the Chinese pray in Mandarin and the Muslims sing their hymns in Arabic, these anti-Christian bigots won't understand what they're hearing, and think they're at EPCOT Center! But let Anglophonic Christians try this in English, and the useful idiot thought police are out to turn them in. And so the multicultural welfare state continues to run cover for bigotry and persecussion against European Americans, esp. if they're unlucky enough to be Christians and into free speech.


8 posted on 12/01/2004 3:50:55 PM PST by eagle11 (Passivity and Appeasement is No Way to Run a Civilization!)
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To: FredZarguna; Americanwolf
"We want to avoid that specific religious message out of respect for other religions in the region," Krikorian said. "It could be construed as disrespectful to other people who enjoy a parade each year."

And civic leaders wonder why no one shows up for these events anymore? Next they'll be telling us we can't carry a flag in the 4th of July parade so that we don't offend or illegal "guest workers". Krikorian and whoever he works for are idiots. Good luck to anyone who has to live with this dork!

9 posted on 12/01/2004 3:53:48 PM PST by Americanwolfsbrother (Democratic Underground: Home of the Mental Midget Society)
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To: imskylark
You don't even have to get into the intolerance of Christians to appreciate how completely stupid this is. Here you have a season which revolves around a particular holiday, and the reasons for celebrating that day can't even be acknowledged, in fact, we need to go out of our way to ignore them because they might be considered "offensive." Now, since we're supposed to respect "diversity," how can the recognition of somebody else's customs ever be "offensive?" That recognition is supposed to be the greatest good to these idiots.

Unless, of course, you aren't really interested in diversity at all, but rather, in destroying the cultural identity of your enemy.

10 posted on 12/01/2004 3:53:58 PM PST by FredZarguna (Free markets. Free Speech. Free Minds. But no Free Lunch.)
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To: Trainfish

Yeah us too, it may be long and boring but it is our CHRISTMAS Parade not some stoopid festival of (wtf) lights...?


11 posted on 12/01/2004 3:56:32 PM PST by SouthernFreebird
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To: Americanwolfsbrother
Next they'll be telling us we can't carry a flag in the 4th of July parade so that we don't offend or illegal "guest workers".

That's already happened, right after 9/11 of all times. For example.

12 posted on 12/01/2004 3:58:22 PM PST by FredZarguna (Free markets. Free Speech. Free Minds. But no Free Lunch.)
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To: FredZarguna

This is almost beyond parody. Do liberals have a clue how utterly transparent their bigotry is?


13 posted on 12/01/2004 3:59:08 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle
It is beyond parody. You cannot make this stuff up.
14 posted on 12/01/2004 4:00:36 PM PST by FredZarguna (Free markets. Free Speech. Free Minds. But no Free Lunch.)
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To: FredZarguna
This year, the "international procession" includes the Two Spirit Society, which honors gay and lesbian American Indians as holy people; a German folk dance group; and performers of the Lion Dance, a Chinese New Year tradition "meant to chase away evil spirits and welcome good luck and good fortune for the year."

Jesus Christ....the reason for the season. Also remember to say "Merry Christmas" when you meet or greet people.

15 posted on 12/01/2004 4:01:22 PM PST by afnamvet (Tuy Hoa AB RVN 68-69 Jet Noise...The Sound of Freedom!)
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To: FredZarguna

I never go to community tree lightings, or Girl Scout carollings any more, or school holiday concerts. I cannot begin to say how loathesome "Here comes Santa Claus" is.

One year when I feel energetic I might try to reserve the town park for Christmas Christian Christmas carolling. See how many people come.


16 posted on 12/01/2004 4:06:08 PM PST by heartwood
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To: FredZarguna
Quote: Instead of being in the parade, Morrison's group now plans to walk the route an hour before, singing hymns and offering hot chocolate.

God Bless them... the organizers are lucky not to be facing a lawsuit - which is really what needs to happen to preserve Christian rights!

17 posted on 12/01/2004 4:07:30 PM PST by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: afnamvet
Jesus is the reason for the season!


"Happy Birthday, Jesus" by Donald Arey, Sr.

I had a birthday party, most everybody came.

They danced and ate and had a ball, But no one spoke My name.

They gave each other presents, as nice as they could be.

People came from far and near, But no one mentioned Me.

The stores were filled with shoppers, The restaurants crowded out,

But no one seemed to really know what the party was about.

They talked about a reindeer. I think Rudolph was his name.

Then someone mentioned "Jesus", And they hung their heads in shame.

You see, it was My birthday. They didn't even know.

That is why from heaven My heart is grieving so.

I came to earth from heaven on that first Christmas day--

Born in a lowly manger From sin to show the way.

I died one day on Calvary, on a cruel Roman cross

To save a world of sinners from a life of awful loss.

When you next have a party, with presents, friends and tree,

Remember Me, your Savior, whose birth has set you free.

-- Jesus

PS: I am coming again soon.


18 posted on 12/01/2004 4:07:32 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: FredZarguna; Americanwolfsbrother

Yep...They did it to the fire department up in Berkley right after 9.11 too... It is a shame that people will let the leftist goon squads sue them into submission... The left found the one weapon the can use effectivly the courts. That tips the scales unfairly, because what power do I the common man have against a Group like the ACLU that has "unlimited resources"... All the more reasons for Tort reform and and overhaul of the Judical system.


19 posted on 12/01/2004 4:07:34 PM PST by Americanwolf (www.geocities.com/arizonapatriots/ArizonaPatriots.html.. Serving those who serve us.)
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To: FredZarguna
Don't worry the ACLU will come to their defense!
20 posted on 12/01/2004 4:12:42 PM PST by rodguy911 ( President Reagan---all the rest.)
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To: Americanwolf; All

That tips the scales unfairly, because what power do I the common man have against a Group like the ACLU that has "unlimited resources"...


You can join the fight against the ACLU and their ilk by becoming involved with and supporting the following organizations:

American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) - http://www.aclj.org

Thomas More Law Center - http://www.thomasmore.org

Alliance Defense Fund - http://www.alliancedefensefund.org

The Rutherford Institute - http://www.rutherford.org/


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The ACLU must be destroyed: Joseph Farah supports Boy Scouts, urges Americans to fight back

Citizens mobilized to stop ACLU (seeks to consign group to 'ash heap of history')

Revealing FACTS on the ACLU from its own writings

21 posted on 12/01/2004 4:15:22 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: MeekOneGOP

GI Ping


22 posted on 12/01/2004 4:17:01 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: Americanwolf
We have mentioned it on several other threads before but there really needs to be a counter for the ACLU before they ruin even more lives in the name of the liberal elite.
23 posted on 12/01/2004 4:17:03 PM PST by rodguy911 ( President Reagan---all the rest.)
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To: rodguy911

See reply 21


24 posted on 12/01/2004 4:17:47 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: EdReform

Thanks for the INFO! :)


25 posted on 12/01/2004 4:18:36 PM PST by Americanwolf (www.geocities.com/arizonapatriots/ArizonaPatriots.html.. Serving those who serve us.)
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To: heartwood
I cannot begin to say how loathsome "Here comes Santa Claus" is.

One doesn't understand the real meaning of loathsome until some enterprising 2nd Grade teacher has her charges "perform" Jingle Bell Rock at the school's Winter Pageant.

26 posted on 12/01/2004 4:19:26 PM PST by FredZarguna (Free markets. Free Speech. Free Minds. But no Free Lunch.)
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To: rodguy911

I agree with you. The ACLU takes case that will generate enough press for the pet causes. I like the Brit legal system. You bring a frivolous lawsuit or you lose the suit that you brought to court you pay legal cost for both parties, at least that would give some people pause before they decided to go out and sue.


27 posted on 12/01/2004 4:25:21 PM PST by Americanwolf (www.geocities.com/arizonapatriots/ArizonaPatriots.html.. Serving those who serve us.)
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To: FredZarguna
"Now, since we're supposed to respect "diversity," how can the recognition of somebody else's customs ever be "offensive?" That recognition is supposed to be the greatest good to these idiots."

You've hit the nail squarely on the head. One of the main points of the whole diversity movement is purportedly to enjoy and respect other people's traditions; so incidents like this show the big lie behind the diversity movement. For the left, the PURPOSE of respecting other cultures is to UNDERMINE our own culture and traditions; therefore they treat our own culture as the only culture whose public expression is deemed threatening or offensive. So what seems to us as blatant hypocrisy is to the left not hypocrisy at all; rather, it is simply lying.
28 posted on 12/01/2004 4:27:43 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: FredZarguna
"you aren't really interested in diversity at all, but rather, in destroying the cultural identity of your enemy."

And that, my friend, is exactly the point.

29 posted on 12/01/2004 4:29:59 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: FredZarguna
"Jingle Bell Rock"

I always liked that song; the two Christmas songs that always strike me as insipid as "Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer" and the one about grandma being run over by a reindeer, or by Santa Claus, whatever it is.
30 posted on 12/01/2004 4:30:32 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: FredZarguna

This is precisely why I never end the Parade of Lights in Denver. I stay at home and hang out with my family. Much more productive and meaningful than seeing the Denver Bronco cheerleaders whored out in lights.


31 posted on 12/01/2004 4:31:41 PM PST by kemathen7
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To: Americanwolf
You're welcome! Please email or print and send the links to people you know.

All of the organizations listed in reply 21 are worthy of our support. Here are just a few recent examples of how two of those organizations are fighting back:

ADF Contacts Over 3,600 School Districts Over Attempts To Censor Christmas

ADF: 700 lawyers ready to fight ACLU lawsuits

ADF: Pentagons' Warning About Boyscouts Is Absurd

Thomas More Law Center: Town of Palm Beach Pays $50,000 In Attorney Fees Apologizes To Women In Nativity Lawsuit

32 posted on 12/01/2004 4:38:13 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: kemathen7
seeing the Denver Bronco cheerleaders whored out in lights

Now that is what I would call an appropriately vulgar description.

33 posted on 12/01/2004 4:44:21 PM PST by FredZarguna (Free markets. Free Speech. Free Minds. But no Free Lunch.)
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To: Steve_Seattle

'whole diversity movement is purportedly to enjoy and respect other people's traditions'

Well stated.

That's the point. This needs to be repeated (to liberals and those voting democrat) again and again. With the Christmas season upon us, there's no better time for this discussion.

Nothing better than putting slack-jawed liberals into cunundrums over their own terminolgy/ideology.

Cheers!


34 posted on 12/01/2004 4:50:47 PM PST by BluSky (Liberalism - destroying lives, one failure at a time.)
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To: FredZarguna

This all the rage on talk radio here in Colorado.

Essentially, all the commentary is negative. I live outside Denver (like most people) but I won't be going. There is no reason for me or my family to pay for parking, pay for a meal, and do some shopping all to see a completely meaningless dis play of "lights".

Without the Christmas component, this is just electrical entertainment. If I want mindless entertainment, I have a TV.

As more people understand that this has no meaning, no traditions, no symbolism and no connection to culture, fewer people will choose to stand in subzero temps to view it.

Bye, bye revenue for Denver!


35 posted on 12/01/2004 4:52:25 PM PST by Gingersnap
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To: FredZarguna

PC = Practically Communist.

That's what they really want, right? To eliminate the true God & find a handy-dandy, non-offensive, non-sin-condemning replacement.


36 posted on 12/01/2004 4:55:07 PM PST by madison10
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To: FredZarguna; EdReform; Alamo-Girl; onyx; ALOHA RONNIE; SpookBrat; Republican Wildcat; Howlin; ...
Parade prohibition puzzles preacher

Excerpt:

He said he was barred from participating in the parade because his multicultural church group wanted its Christian-themed float to feature traditional yuletide hymns and a "Merry Christmas" message.

"It's a little confusing to me," said Morrison, pastor of Faith Bible Chapel in Arvada, one of the region's largest evangelical churches, with more than 4,000 worshippers.

"Here we have this holiday, Christmas, approaching, and Parade of Lights is suddenly changed into something where you can't even sing a Christmas song?"

But the parade does not allow "direct religious themes," said spokesman Michael Krikorian. That includes "Merry Christmas" signs and the singing or playing of traditional Christmas hymns. He added that the rules were spelled out when Morrison's intermediary called last spring to inquire about contributing a float.

"We want to avoid that specific religious message out of respect for other religions in the region," Krikorian said. "It could be construed as disrespectful to other people who enjoy a parade each year."


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37 posted on 12/01/2004 5:09:34 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP! )
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To: FredZarguna
Maybe you guys saw this, but I want to make sure it's pointed out:
"We want to avoid that specific religious message out of respect for other religions in the region," Krikorian said. "It could be construed as disrespectful to other people who enjoy a parade each year."

This guy is admitting outright that he is prohibiting any display of Christianity.

38 posted on 12/01/2004 5:21:12 PM PST by thompsonsjkc
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To: thompsonsjkc
This thing is called the Parade of Lights.

John 8:12 (New International Version)

When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

The very name of their parade is in violation of their policy! Ha!

39 posted on 12/01/2004 5:26:00 PM PST by thompsonsjkc
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To: All

A CHRISTmas Celebration Online!
http://www.ilovejesus.com/myhome/cindy/index.html

CHRISTMAS LINKS
http://www.truthusa.com/CHRISTmas.html


40 posted on 12/01/2004 5:27:54 PM PST by Cindy
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To: FredZarguna

I am so appalled and offended by this city's intolerance!!


41 posted on 12/01/2004 5:29:22 PM PST by mlmr (Rubbing it in Leftist faces since 1994)
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To: mlmr
I am so appalled and offended by this city's intolerance!

Appalled, yes. Offended, OK. But are you even surprised?

42 posted on 12/01/2004 5:40:12 PM PST by FredZarguna (Free markets. Free Speech. Free Minds. But no Free Lunch.)
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To: FredZarguna

I think it is time to give 'em their political correctness back, right between the eyes.


43 posted on 12/01/2004 6:09:56 PM PST by mlmr (Rubbing it in Leftist faces since 1994)
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To: VRWCTexan

the organizers are lucky not to be facing a lawsuit - which is really what needs to happen to preserve Christian rights!

You are not kidding. A big lawsuit changes practice and big rewards are followed. These people are pushovers. And they set it up for the rest of us.


44 posted on 12/01/2004 6:11:16 PM PST by mlmr (Rubbing it in Leftist faces since 1994)
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To: FredZarguna

ping


45 posted on 12/01/2004 6:16:35 PM PST by foreverfree
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To: FredZarguna

I guess I get a little bothered when a church can't have a "Merry Christmas" float, yet we can be subjected to half naked women wrapped in lights.

But I am not surprised ... I want to move out of Denver in a bad way.


46 posted on 12/01/2004 6:40:46 PM PST by kemathen7
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To: mlmr
They aren't worried about lawsuits. Who's going to sue, the ACLU? LOL.

They should be concerned that the bad press they're getting for being so PC will have an unintended effect of driving people away from downtown Denver, parade or no parade.

Perhaps a few words to the sponsor will make them want to reconsider their position before next year's parade.

47 posted on 12/01/2004 8:35:32 PM PST by logician2u
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To: MeekOneGOP

Thanks for the ping!


48 posted on 12/01/2004 8:50:20 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: FredZarguna

I'm so happy that the ad from this morning's paper is tacked on my bulletin board about the Christmas Parades in this county.......we will be attending more than one in the next several weeks.


49 posted on 12/01/2004 8:55:35 PM PST by Gabz
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To: FredZarguna

It's the feast of Saturnalia and celebration of Mithra parade. Get with the program. Unless the Christians are prepared to debauched underage boys I suggest they stay home.

/sarc


50 posted on 12/01/2004 8:59:49 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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