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Western aggression (on the Ukraine)
The Spectator ^ | 6 November 2004 | John Laughland

Posted on 12/01/2004 4:13:08 PM PST by Destro

Issue: 6 November 2004

Western aggression

John Laughland on how the US and Britain are intervening in Ukraine’s elections

A few years ago, a friend of mine was sent to Kiev by the British government to teach Ukrainians about the Western democratic system. His pupils were young reformers from western Ukraine, affiliated to the Conservative party. When they produced a manifesto containing 15 pages of impenetrable waffle, he gently suggested boiling their electoral message down to one salient point. What was it, he wondered? A moment of furrowed brows produced the lapidary and nonchalant reply, ‘To expel all Jews from our country.’

It is in the west of Ukraine that support is strongest for the man who is being vigorously promoted by America as the country’s next president: the former prime minister Viktor Yushchenko. On a rainy Monday morning in Kiev, I met some young Yushchenko supporters, druggy skinheads from Lvov. They belonged both to a Western-backed youth organisation, Pora, and also to Ukrainian National Self-Defence (Unso), a semi-paramilitary movement whose members enjoy posing for the cameras carrying rifles and wearing fatigues and balaclava helmets. Were nutters like this to be politically active in any country other than Ukraine or the Baltic states, there would be instant outcry in the US and British media; but in former Soviet republics, such bogus nationalism is considered anti-Russian and therefore democratic.

It is because of this ideological presupposition that Anglo-Saxon reporting on the Ukrainian elections has chimed in with press releases from the State Department, peddling a fairytale about a struggle between a brave and beleaguered democrat, Yushchenko, and an authoritarian Soviet nostalgic, the present Prime Minister, Viktor Yanukovych. All facts which contradict this morality tale are suppressed. Thus a story has been widely circulated that Yushchenko was poisoned during the electoral campaign, the fantasy being that the government was trying to bump him off. But no British or American news outlet has reported the interview by the chief physician of the Vienna clinic which treated Yushchenko for his unexplained illness. The clinic released a report declaring there to be no evidence of poisoning, after which, said the chief physician, he was subjected to such intimidation by Yushchenko’s entourage — who wanted him to change the report — that he was forced to seek police protection.

It has also been repeatedly alleged that foreign observers found the elections fraught with violations committed by the government. In fact, this is exclusively the view of highly politicised Western governmental organisations like the OSCE — a body which is notorious for the fraudulent nature of its own reports, and which in any case came to this conclusion before the poll had even taken place — and of bogus NGOs, such as the Committee of Ukrainian Voters, a front organisation exclusively funded by Western (mainly American) government bodies and think-tanks, and clearly allied with Yushchenko. Because they speak English, the political activists in such organisations can easily nobble Anglophone Western reporters.

Contrary allegations — such as those of fraud committed by Yushchenko-supporting local authorities in western Ukraine, carefully detailed by Russian election observers but available only in Russian — go unreported. So too does evidence of crude intimidation made by Yushchenko supporters against election officials. The depiction is so skewed that Yushchenko is presented as a pro-Western free-marketeer, even though his fief in western Ukraine is an economic wasteland; while Yanukovych is presented as pro-Russian and statist, even though his electoral campaign is based on deregulation and the economy has been growing at an impressive clip. The cleanliness and prosperity of Kiev and other cities have improved noticeably.

There is, however, one thing which separates the two main candidates, and which explains the West’s determination to shoo in Yushchenko: Nato. Yanukovych has said he is against Ukraine joining; Yushchenko is in favour. The West wants Ukraine in Nato to weaken Russia geopolitically and to have a new big client state for expensive Western weaponry, whose manufacturers fund so much of the US political process.

Yanukovych has also promised to promote Russian back to the status of second state language. Since most Ukrainian citizens speak Russian, since Kiev is the historic birthplace of Christian Russia, and since the current legislation forces tens of millions of Russians to Ukrainianise their names, this is hardly unreasonable. The continued artificial imposition of Ukrainian as the state language — started under the Soviets and intensified after the fall of communism — will be a further factor in ripping Ukraine’s Russophone citizens away from Russia proper. That is why the West wants it.


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1 posted on 12/01/2004 4:13:09 PM PST by Destro
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To: jb6

bump


2 posted on 12/01/2004 4:15:25 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
Poor Destro - your allegiance to Orthodoxy, in this case the tie with Russia, puts you just as in the wrong in your postings on the Ukraine as your tie with Serbia puts you in the wrong on our Balkan threads.

You should try promoting American values, like free elections, rather than pimping yourself out for some foreign Church.

3 posted on 12/01/2004 4:28:57 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Destro

thats only the tip of the iceberg...

do some searches on church burnings so far I found 4 where 3 moscow patriarchate orthodox churches & 1 ukranian orthodox church were burned in Lviv-IvanoFrankivsk-Ternopil regions.


4 posted on 12/01/2004 4:30:53 PM PST by eluminate
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To: Hoplite

The UK's Spectator is now the voice of the Orthodox religion? And here I thought it was the voice of the British Conservative Tories. Anyway are you saying that this expose should not have been posted?


5 posted on 12/01/2004 4:34:02 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
I am still trying to get up to speed on the Ukraine and its problems. However, this article seems to be slanted towards mother Russia a tad. It contains all the props (antijew, militias, skinheads, forced conversions, NATO) to count as a biased rant. Hence, it's value is more subjective than substance.
6 posted on 12/01/2004 4:38:52 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (We won. We don't need to be forgiving. Let the heads roll!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Destro

"So too does evidence of crude intimidation made by Yushchenko supporters against election officials. "
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Whatever... thats why when they changed the rules to allow parliments to vote on a secret ballot they gave a vote of no confidence to the Russia backed guy. Before, when were all identified by their votes, they couldn't because of the intimindation of the mafiosa type crowd.

weird article.


7 posted on 12/01/2004 4:40:15 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/summary.htm)
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To: crazyhorse691

It is supposed to be subjective.


8 posted on 12/01/2004 4:40:38 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
Well, nobody made me cue up this thread. It's my own fault.
9 posted on 12/01/2004 4:43:55 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (We won. We don't need to be forgiving. Let the heads roll!!!!!!!!!)
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To: crazyhorse691

So only one side is evil and the other is perfect democratic legion of goodness in your view? and if you have something to say you are a biased no good s.o.b. who is against democracy.

Whos one sided here ah? Only one side shown on tv but there is two sides to the story ... people voted for Yanukovich maybe the elections were fixed but not all 15 million votes were fake.


10 posted on 12/01/2004 4:44:45 PM PST by eluminate
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To: eluminate
I really have no idea what you are talking about. I merely said that the piece was biased. If that provokes you because of who knows what, then, explain to me rationally what you are babbling about.
11 posted on 12/01/2004 4:50:59 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (We won. We don't need to be forgiving. Let the heads roll!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Hoplite
... but Destro's tireless pimping for the dark forces of reaction and on-going slander and disinformation campaign against the Ukrainian people in general, and their reform movement in particular, puts him in such marvelous company:
CBS AND THE DEFAMATION OF UKRAINE
http://www.infoukes.com/politics/cbs60minutes/kuropas/

Unless Ronald Reagan opts to speak from the great beyond, the Iron Lady's take on matters Ukrainian is good enough for me:

"The West and its leaders must act decisively to support the brave Ukrainian democrats in their struggle." - Lady Margaret Thatcher
Source:http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=629805&section=news
12 posted on 12/01/2004 4:51:56 PM PST by GMMAC (lots of terror cells in Canada - I'll be waving my US flag when the Marines arrive!)
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To: Destro

Why do I have a feeling that it reads a lot like the 1960s "Third Worldist" Indonesian President Sukarno's rants against "neocolonialism" and "Western imperialism"?


13 posted on 12/01/2004 5:11:36 PM PST by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: Destro

What I'm saying is that if you weren't so hell bent on supporting that which you think is in the best interests of your co-religionists, you'd have figured out that Laughland is an Anti-American twit long ago, and would save his swill for the nitwits over at Antiwar.com rather than wasting FR's server space with it.


14 posted on 12/01/2004 5:12:16 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Torie and anti-American? In what universe?


15 posted on 12/01/2004 5:23:30 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: NZerFromHK

Yea - only this time the slant is right wing.


16 posted on 12/01/2004 5:24:08 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: GMMAC
I find it bizarre how much support Yanukovich is getting on FR.

I would have figured that democracy would have been one of those simple litmus tests we could all agree upon.

17 posted on 12/01/2004 5:24:48 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
I find it bizarre how much support Yanukovich is getting on FR.

Why is that the same people who support KLA, support also Yushchenko?

18 posted on 12/01/2004 5:34:01 PM PST by A. Pole ("For the love of money is the root of all evil" -- II Timothy 6:10)
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To: crazyhorse691
Shadow of Anti-Semitism over Ukraine's Disputed Election
19 posted on 12/01/2004 5:36:09 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

John Laughland is clearly anti-American, if he were to be shown to be a Torie I would be quite surprised. What is thouroughly disgusting is that such an example of yellow journalism is being posted as a serious article. Laughland is a member of that hallowed pantheon of journalists who write for the Guardian. Some examples of his writing will help you get a sense of where he is coming from (and where the Putin groupies are coming from as well):

The Prague racket
Nato is now a device to exert control and extract cash. Those who resist, like Belarus, are punished
John Laughland
Friday November 22, 2002
The Guardian

The revolution televised
The western media's view of Ukraine's election is hopelessly biased
John Laughland
Saturday November 27, 2004
The Guardian

John Laughland: Who observes the observers?
The west's condemnation of Zimbabwe's election process is a breathtaking case of double standards. The chasm that opened up between the various teams of observers at the Zimbabwean elections shows the urgency of reformulating one of the oldest questions of political philosophy: who observes the observers?
By Guardian Newspapers, 3/18/2002


Oil will be the driving factor for military intervention in Sudan
By John Laughland
August 3, 2004
The Guardian, August 2, 2004


20 posted on 12/01/2004 5:42:49 PM PST by Agog
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To: Destro
Torie and anti-American? In what universe?

If you're going to be stupid, be stupid somewhere else, Destro.

21 posted on 12/01/2004 5:51:14 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite; Agog; Destro

There is such a thing as old-fashioned Tory anti-Americanism in the non-US West. And to make it more confusing, in our age the anti-American Right feels free to use whatever materials the anti-American Left provides. This is all according to Mao Zedong's timeless saying "The enemy of my ememy is my friend."


22 posted on 12/01/2004 6:40:46 PM PST by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: GMMAC

I agree too. They are actually Russia/EO-Slavic nationalists who want to exhort their sphere in the world in expense of the rest of us. I don't trust them particularly in light of what damage Russian imperialism has done to China in modern history.

They are no friend of true liberty.


23 posted on 12/01/2004 6:45:14 PM PST by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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Torie and anti-American? In what universe?

Read it and weep. Iraq is "Mr. Blair's war" as far as the Spectator is concerned.

The Tories are not jingoes - Douglas Hurd - "In the recent film The Fog of War, Robert McNamara, now 88, broods over the lessons of his own experience. One of these is that in war you have to do evil to achieve good. That is a hard calculation to get right. We have freed Iraq from a brutal tyranny, losing several hundred of our own men, killing about 15,000 Iraqis, pushing the country into disorder, and discrediting our own reputation for good sense and humanity." - Spectator.co.uk

24 posted on 12/01/2004 7:39:31 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: NZerFromHK
I don't trust them particularly in light of what damage Russian imperialism has done to China in modern history.

More damage than the British opium trade/war?

25 posted on 12/01/2004 7:39:37 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Interventionisim is Wilsonian and anti-conservative.


26 posted on 12/01/2004 7:40:43 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Funny - you guys accuse our side of backing Putin yet your side tends to praise Blair who is the leader of the Socialist
Labour party and stands for almost for ZERO what FreeRepublican conservatives stand for. John Kerry is more right wing than Blair.
27 posted on 12/01/2004 7:43:22 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
Wilsonian Interventionism is not conservative, but Iraq was not Wilsonian. It was a pre-emptive war of self-defense.
28 posted on 12/01/2004 7:46:15 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Destro

You do back Putin, and no I don't support Blair.


29 posted on 12/01/2004 7:50:20 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The invasion is not the problem - Tories have supported invasions lots of times - its the belief that Iraq can be transformed through force of arms into a classical liberal democracy through force of arms that is the issue of contention.
30 posted on 12/01/2004 7:50:56 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I don't back Putin - I back America's post 9/11 engagement with Putin.
31 posted on 12/01/2004 7:52:25 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

Wrong. The contention is whether or not we should have invaded in the first place. The Tories say no, we were wrong and evil in Iraq just like we were in Nam. McNamara said so. What a bunch of horseshit.


32 posted on 12/01/2004 7:55:00 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: eluminate
do some searches on church burnings so far I found 4 where 3 moscow patriarchate orthodox churches & 1 ukranian orthodox church were burned in Lviv-IvanoFrankivsk-Ternopil regions.

And Bill Clinton remembers them vividly.
33 posted on 12/01/2004 7:56:08 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Destro

You also back Putin in his condemnation of the US action in Iraq, along with France, Germany, China, etc.


34 posted on 12/01/2004 7:57:15 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I am pro Iraq war - but I find the notion of transforming Iraq iffy.
35 posted on 12/01/2004 7:59:00 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

You were against this war from the beginning.


36 posted on 12/01/2004 8:00:43 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Just read the article. What you stated is not what that article stated - The article summed up a Rush Limboughisim - war is designed to kill people and break things - not to heal and build. If you go to war remember that. That is what the article states. True conservative sentiments.
37 posted on 12/01/2004 8:03:41 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Wrong pro Iraq war - dare you to find one where I am not pro war - plent of posts by me against the nation building part (for lack of better term).


38 posted on 12/01/2004 8:04:32 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

The article was antiwar paleocon garbage.


39 posted on 12/01/2004 8:04:55 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Wrong the artice is anti interventionist - being pro war for war's sake is of course a Trotskyite notion.


40 posted on 12/01/2004 8:05:56 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

Isolationist Chamberlainite appeasement bootlicking.


41 posted on 12/01/2004 8:08:39 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Chamberlain was not an isolationist - he was an interventionist - his interventionist tactic was to first appease and when that didn't work to declare war. Of course appeasement did not save Czechoslovakia and declaring war on Germany did not save Poland. Ironic that, wot?
42 posted on 12/01/2004 8:13:03 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

The Ukrainian people show the world how it can be done! A must read story which is real and happening right now. We not only should support their effort for freedom and democracy, we should join them the same way all over the world right now. Standing up against lies, corruption and manipulation. We can do it together in peace and unity!

Copy of the letter of a young Ukrainian.

Nice, timely report from someone on the spot....

As you likely know from the news, we are in the middle of the Orange Revolution here in Kyiv. I can tell you that this is one of the most incredible experiences of my entire life to be here during this time.

We have been spending a lot of time on the streets and on the main square - Maidan Nezalezhnosti (Independence Square).

It is difficult to describe what is going on here. No news footage on your TV screens can express the feeling you get being surrounded by a million people. The most amazing thing -- which I believe will have worldwide sociological implications for a long time to come -- is how incredible this crowd is. When you think of a crowd unhappy about something, being cheated by politicians, betrayed by the system - you expect a bunch of angry, agitated people. Well, think again. This is the happiest, friendliest, most incredibly loving and supportive group of people I have ever encountered.

People are smiling, singing, laughing and offering help and support to each other. You don't see any police anywhere, not a single policeman in sight - imagine that. According to the mayor's office in the city of Kyiv - there are no reports of any crime in this huge metropolitan area. Crime has stopped! Everyone is a friend, everyone is a neighbor, everyone is a brother. I do not know how long t his can last, but we are in the middle of some kind of miracle.

It is cold out there. Most nights the temperature gets well below zero Centigrade (which is in the teens for those of you that only know Fahrenheit). But the tent city that was built in the middle of Kyiv and now has hundreds if not thousands of tents is very warm indeed. There are mountains of warm clothes everywhere on Khreshchatyk (the main street of the city), which were donated by Kyivites. Food, hot coffee, hot tea are abundant and free everywhere. But you do not see any alcohol - this is the most sober one million Ukrainians you will ever meet. The crowd is completely self-organizing and improving its collective behavior continuously. Every new day brings new elements of better organization, improved conditions, improved communications and general functionality...

It has become clear to any observer that this crowd is bound to win. There is absolutely no way to stop this crowd without a massive blood bath, which is almost impossible to imagine to take place in the center of Europe, with all the world's TV cameras [present]. Over the last 5 days, the opposition has been winning continuous victories every single day.

The score for the first five rounds is clearly 5-0. The crowds are growing and demonstrations are now taking place all over the country. More and more famous athletes, actors, artists, high-ranking military and police officers are joining the opposition. When Ruslana, the most famous Ukrainian singer, and heavyweight champion Vladimir Klitchko joined Victor Yushchenko on the podium, the crowd went wild. The following day brought Leh Valensa, senior officers of SBU (former KGB) and Police, several formerly neutral "oligarchs" and finally a major breakthrough at the end of the day - the rebirth of free media in Ukraine.

Prior to that, only Channel 5 was broadcasting 24 hours a day directly from
Maidan and giving complete coverage to all the events. And of course, our Volia Cable was proudly delivering its signal to some 1.5 million viewers in Kyiv despite all the pressure on them, including several horrible days in
July when some of our key managers had to spend 10 days in jail. One other channel (Era) was doing the same, but only a few hours a day.

All major channels had previously been completely ignoring the millions of people on the streets, never reporting it and instead showing cartoons, classical music concerts and exotic travel destinations.

We knew that most journalists from the major channels had either been fired by then or had gone on strike because they refused to continue broadcasting lies. As a result, all news programs on National channels 1 and 2, Inter, 1+1, Noviy, and others simply ceased any and all operations. For 3 days in a row, most of Ukraine, which only has access to the major channels, had no TV news.

Imagine that - the very day after a major election - no news for three days, no morning news, no evening news, no news at all! All these channels simply had no creative staff left to produce bogus news. All fired or on strike.

Thursday night it all changed. The management and owners of all of the major channels gave in to the demands of their striking journalists and allowed honest news reporting for the first time in the history of independent Ukraine. Some of the channels like National Channel 1 and 1+1 began their evening news broadcast on Thursday with a group shot of all journalists standing together and one of them reading a statement from the creative staff in which they swore to report honest news and honest news only!

This was one of the most unbelievable sights I have ever seen. And then the miracle happened - they showed a direct feed of a million proud Ukrainians on Maidan in Kyiv to the whole country. If there are defining moments in the birth of a Nation, that was certainly one! I am so proud to be able to witness it with my own eyes, in spite of all the tears that covered them at that moment.

Today was another exciting day with the extraordinary session of the Ukrainian Rada currently ongoing. It started over four hours ago and is being shown live on a number of TV channels all over the country and also to people on the streets. We are all glued to the television screens. The Rada already voted to consider the runoff elections invalid, express non-confidence in the Central Election Committee and several other major items. They are still debating, but are making good progress. Things are looking up! The Orange Revolution continues!

Michael Bleyzer
Kyiv, Ukraine
November 27, 2004



"What we do in life my friends...echoes in eternity."


43 posted on 12/01/2004 8:14:18 PM PST by Leo Carpathian (Slava Ukraini!)
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Eastern Ukraine says it may go its own way
44 posted on 12/01/2004 8:15:09 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

Appeasement is not intervention.


45 posted on 12/01/2004 8:17:24 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Of course it is - its intervention in the affairs of another country - they intervened and made the Czechoslovaks not fight.
46 posted on 12/01/2004 8:21:03 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

Oh, how did he do that?


47 posted on 12/01/2004 8:22:24 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Destro

Appeasement is inaction. It is the lack of intervention.


48 posted on 12/01/2004 8:25:07 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
That is a good question - I don't know why the Czechoslovaks went along with giving up the Sudetenland.
49 posted on 12/01/2004 8:26:25 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
appeasement is not inaction - appeasement is a form of action.
50 posted on 12/01/2004 8:27:30 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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